just like everything else, it’s a supplement.
That being said, there’s no reason that it alone will make you fat. It’s just one part of an overall puzzle. If you’re looking to gain size, it’s very convenient to have the fat for the extra calories.
try the Cookies n Cream, yummy goodness.
Muscle Milk is the single best food supplement out there. period.
and i use several Biotest products including Metabolic Drive
Muscle Milk has excellent proteins (ever heard of micellar casein? first ingredient), excellent fats (canola, sunflower, safflower, MCTs) and some ok carbs (fructose and maltodextrin)
as an added bonus, it has a great vitamin and mineral profile
the stuff mixes very easily, great texture and taste, and is cheap … you can find it online for $20 for 15 servings (2.5 pounds)
if i had to choose one food to live off for the rest of my life … MUSCLE MILK
I tried Muscle Milk for the first time n San Diego a few weeks ago and it tasted great. I did not look at the label and check the ingredients as I figured it was better than any fast food place we could find that could feed us fast in 30 minutes.
But then again how good can it be if they sell it at the 24 Hour Fatness that I train at?
It also contains Glycocyamine, an ingredient shown to raise homocysteine levels. Ole Mr. David Barr has written on this ingredient a good bit, I believe its in his “Dangerous Creatine” article, among others.
Some will argue whether or not it raises them enough to create an increased risk for heart disease, but because of the correlation between homocysteine and heart disease, I’d prefer to avoid an ingredient directly attributed to elevating it. Besides, its supposed to enhance endogenous creatine production which is pretty assinine seeing as how you can supplement with creatine with no problems. Who cares about endogenous production when you’re supersaturating yourself with three grams a day.
Metabolic Drive + Heavy Whipping Cream + Flax Seed > Muscle Milk.
[quote]NewDamage wrote:
It also contains Glycocyamine, an ingredient shown to raise homocysteine levels. Ole Mr. David Barr has written on this ingredient a good bit, I believe its in his “Dangerous Creatine” article, among others.
Some will argue whether or not it raises them enough to create an increased risk for heart disease, but because of the correlation between homocysteine and heart disease, I’d prefer to avoid an ingredient directly attributed to elevating it. [/quote]
Actually, some recent studies indicate that although there is a correlation between high homocysteine levels and heart disease, it has also been shown that lowering homocysteine via folic acid (a common approach) did nothing to reduce likelihood of heart disease.
My only point is that while homocysteine may be a marker, it can be “artificially raised or lowered” by substances which render it’s predictive value questionable.
I noted your questioning it’s value anyway, but wanted to give more info to inquiring minds…
[quote]Tokendude wrote:
Actually, some recent studies indicate that although there is a correlation between high homocysteine levels and heart disease, it has also been shown that lowering homocysteine via folic acid (a common approach) did nothing to reduce likelihood of heart disease.
My only point is that while homocysteine may be a marker, it can be “artificially raised or lowered” by substances which render it’s predictive value questionable.
I noted your questioning it’s value anyway, but wanted to give more info to inquiring minds…
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Cool info, and I wondered as much, but haven’t bothered to check on any more info. Regardless, wanted to bring this to people’s attention. Thanks for your added information.
I don’t caree about all the “it has too much fat bs”, the NCAA actually banned it because they believed it was too good. My good friend Chad Aiches represents this product, and I can a test it is by far the best product for gaining muscle. I coach weight training for a large local high school and it is the best product for young guys who are trying to put weight on and gain strength. If you want to look pretty use something else, but if size and strength is what your after it is a great product.
George
[quote]powerhouse reno wrote:
If you want to look pretty use something else, but if size and strength is what your after it is a great product.[/quote]
sorry George, but I call bullshit. this stuff was potent enough even to make our amigo Sully gorgeous … errr, maybe it was the beer.
but really, size and strength? no thanks, we are all about abs and shoes.
[quote]powerhouse reno wrote:
I don’t caree about all the “it has too much fat bs”, the NCAA actually banned it because they believed it was too good. My good friend Chad Aiches represents this product, and I can a test it is by far the best product for gaining muscle. I coach weight training for a large local high school and it is the best product for young guys who are trying to put weight on and gain strength. If you want to look pretty use something else, but if size and strength is what your after it is a great product.
George [/quote]
I call bullshit, too.
Don’t people realize that this stuff is loaded with cheap canola oil.
Now I don’t mind a little of this in my MRP, but a lot of people on here seem to think the fat content is mostly MCTs. Unfortunately, it’s not.
Try reading the label a little more closely.
[quote]E-man wrote:
julia87 wrote:
Its the best thing in the world.
You’re absolutely right! I had a three-some with fridge girl AND jeep girl and it didn’t even come close to a chocolate mint muscle milk shake. Unload a truck for free? Hell I’d unload a C-130 for free. Anything just be be around tubs of muscle milk. Oh god, I just came in my pants thinking about muscle milk. 
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You dont have to go all sexual on it. Just drink it, and youll be fine.
Guys, I have read the label, and the main ingredients are: Caseins, Caseinates(milk by products),Whey concertrates, whey isolates, whey peptides, and L-gluamine, these make up the main ingredients. I worked for years in a cereal plant and by law the main ingredients are listed first, with the first ingredient usually making up over 50% of the product.
I know the results with the people I train and the people I call friends, some of these guys are the greatest powerlifters in the world. I have been doing this for over 30 years, so I am not some spring chicken. My goals are not bodybuilding related, so I could care less about pretty abs that don’t do anything, I only care about strength, and what it takes to get there.
George
If the product is so bad then why do several major University’s use their non-banned Muscle Milk Collegiate as their main protein suppliment?
ASU, CAL, FRESNO STATE, GEORGIA TECH, HAWAII, MIAMI, USC, SANFORD, and UCLA.
You can read more at cyotosport.com/products
George
Fats don’t make people fat.
This ain’t the 1980’s. What’s wrong with you people?
Sugars make people fat.
Isn’t there a Biotest supp with 50g sugar/serving?
Not to be cynical and I am not bashing the product but maybe they provide it to the Universities for free as as promotional device.
[quote]powerhouse reno wrote:
If the product is so bad then why do several major University’s use their non-banned Muscle Milk Collegiate as their main protein suppliment?
ASU, CAL, FRESNO STATE, GEORGIA TECH, HAWAII, MIAMI, USC, SANFORD, and UCLA.
You can read more at cyotosport.com/products
George [/quote]
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Fats don’t make people fat.
This ain’t the 1980’s. What’s wrong with you people?
Sugars make people fat.
Isn’t there a Biotest supp with 50g sugar/serving?[/quote]
That’s a PWO product. Sugars SHOULD be consumed after a workout.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Fats don’t make people fat.
This ain’t the 1980’s. What’s wrong with you people?
Sugars make people fat.
Isn’t there a Biotest supp with 50g sugar/serving?[/quote]
Yeah, it’s called Surge, maybe you should read up on it. Guess you haven’t read anything about nutrition in the last say, 5yrs.
[quote]pbody03 wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Fats don’t make people fat.
This ain’t the 1980’s. What’s wrong with you people?
Sugars make people fat.
Isn’t there a Biotest supp with 50g sugar/serving?
Yeah, it’s called Surge, maybe you should read up on it. Guess you haven’t read anything about nutrition in the last say, 5yrs. [/quote]
I’m pretty sure it was a joke.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Fats don’t make people fat.
This ain’t the 1980’s. What’s wrong with you people?
Sugars make people fat.
Isn’t there a Biotest supp with 50g sugar/serving?[/quote]
Any macronutrient can make someone fat if overconsumed, including fat.
The problem with Muscle Milk isn’t necessarily that it is high in fat, which it is, but that they try to make you believe that the fat content is mainly from MCTs, which it isn’t.
Canola oil isn’t the worst oil to use, but if I want more fat in my protein, I’ll add coconut oil and/or flax seed oil to balance the fatty acid profile.
[quote]Mike Sullivan wrote:
Not to be cynical and I am not bashing the product but maybe they provide it to the Universities for free as as promotional device.[/quote]
Exactly.
Most university athletic programs would be happy to accept any NCAA-legal protein supplement given to them.
Besides, since when are NCAA athletic programs on the cutting-edge of nutrition. From what I’ve seen, they are far from it.
[quote]CC wrote:
pbody03 wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Fats don’t make people fat.
This ain’t the 1980’s. What’s wrong with you people?
Sugars make people fat.
Isn’t there a Biotest supp with 50g sugar/serving?
Yeah, it’s called Surge, maybe you should read up on it. Guess you haven’t read anything about nutrition in the last say, 5yrs.
I’m pretty sure it was a joke.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t, read some of his other nonsense.