[quote]Artem wrote:
Yea, that’s the guy.
He’s covered by our insurance and I just go to get physical therapy once a week, which is helping my back. I’m helping my own back mostly by correcting my posture and adjusting my back:chest training ratio, but free physical therapy is nice.[/quote]
So he’s a Physical Therapist?
[quote]HoratioSandoval wrote:
Wait up - I remember your post from a little while back.
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2147863
Is this the same quack who claimed he could pick the supplements you need by placing them in your hand? What kind of doctor is this guy?
More importantly, why are you still seeing this guy?[/quote]
Sounds like one of those naturopathic doctors. I don’t think an actual MD would ever do that kind of stuff.
[quote]ab_power wrote:
HoratioSandoval wrote:
Wait up - I remember your post from a little while back.
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2147863
Is this the same quack who claimed he could pick the supplements you need by placing them in your hand? What kind of doctor is this guy?
More importantly, why are you still seeing this guy?
Sounds like one of those naturopathic doctors. I don’t think an actual MD would ever do that kind of stuff. [/quote]
Could the OP describe in a little more detail the “hand test” he’s doing when he has you hold onto certain supplements?
If he’s doing what I think he’s doing, then this guy might be a bit kookier than we thought.
Artem, can you tell us what kind of credentials this guy has? Either the degree that he hangs on the wall or the letters after his name?
Like - Quacky McQuackerson, DC
Either he’s a chiropractor, you have ridiculously awesome insurance, or this guy needs to get reported to the board.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
MarkT wrote:
Why is it so hard to believe that some doctors (or other professionals) say dumb things sometimes and wave their credentials indignantly? I am a scientist and my wife is a physician. During our training and professional lives we have run across MANY colleagues who, though generally competent and smart, hold some bone-headed ideas lodged firmly in place. Usually not in their areas of expertise, granted, but expertise can be pretty narrow. And there are absolutely many physicians who do not respond well to questions from patients and develop over time a rather exalted self-opinion. Having said that, Prof X is certainly right that many patients can’t hear what their doctors tell them, however carefully explained, and the doctor will USUALLY know much more than the patient.
What is hard to believe is that it happens this much and that all of those people find their way here to complain about it. Yes, I do have a very hard time believing a medical doctor claimed that muscle turned directly into fat. I think it’s bullshit.
I also know that while most of the doctors I’ve known (and that is quite a few) may have egos the size of mack trucks, I have not known many to speak on topics to that degree that they were truly clueless about. I don’t doubt that it happens, but I do doubt the frequency that many claim.
I also know that docs are human just like everyone else. That is why many believe the same crap the general public falls for when it comes to topics like bodybuilding/weightlifting unless they also lift weights. However, muscle turning directly into fat is something lay people believe, not doctors who have cut people open. [/quote]
Prof X, I concede it’s looking like you called this one right - “muscle turns into fat” was a real statement, but not from a real doctor. I wonder how many other cases of alleged wild doctor comments are the same sort of thing. People toss the word “doctor” around too freely.
It says D.C. after his name.
Treatment Plan:
Dr. treats to cure and heal, not to eliminate symptoms. Chiropractic treatment supports the body’s defense system, maximizing natural restorative powers and minimizing more invasive procedures - not like pain medications that provide temporary relief to just the symptoms.
State-of-the-Art Healing Techniques:
Dr. uses the Thompson Technique - this is a kinder gentler adjustment technique adapted to each patient for maximum effectiveness. Driven by his dedication to provide the latest and most advanced techniques to his patients, Dr. regularly attends post-graduate seminars on internal medicine, sports medicine, nutrition, neurovascular dynamics, biomechanics, and muscle manipulating techniques.
Education:
Dr. received his Doctorate of Chiropractic and his 2nd Bachelor’s Degree in Human Biology from the National College of Chiropractic. He completed his undergraduate studies at National Louis University with a Bachelor’s Degree in Biology and Physics. His intensive educational regime included attending and excelling in every additional learning and training opportunity offered.
[quote]Artem wrote:
It says D.C. after his name.
Treatment Plan:
Dr. treats to cure and heal, not to eliminate symptoms. Chiropractic treatment supports the body’s defense system, maximizing natural restorative powers and minimizing more invasive procedures - not like pain medications that provide temporary relief to just the symptoms.
State-of-the-Art Healing Techniques:
Dr. uses the Thompson Technique - this is a kinder gentler adjustment technique adapted to each patient for maximum effectiveness. Driven by his dedication to provide the latest and most advanced techniques to his patients, Dr. regularly attends post-graduate seminars on internal medicine, sports medicine, nutrition, neurovascular dynamics, biomechanics, and muscle manipulating techniques.
Education:
Dr. received his Doctorate of Chiropractic and his 2nd Bachelor’s Degree in Human Biology from the National College of Chiropractic. He completed his undergraduate studies at National Louis University with a Bachelor’s Degree in Biology and Physics. His intensive educational regime included attending and excelling in every additional learning and training opportunity offered. [/quote]
I’m not trying to insult anyone, as I have friends who are chiropractors, but they are not held as legit doctors in much of the medical community. I am just stating the facts. There are great ones and there are ones that suck.
Yes, the same can be said in every profession, but they sure do seem to gather in large numbers in that one.
I forget what it’s called but isn’t that the belief that certain things will positively effect the bioelectric field of a person and others will negatively effect it? Which is tested by measuring the resistance of a muscle while the introduced object is touching the body?
I just saw my DC today (monthly). She rehabbed me after a nasty disc injury where I literally could not stand up, and after I visited a less than spectacular D.O. who prescribed useless PT.
I specifically sought out a chiro with an athletic bent or in a sports medicine group. I skipped my PCP because, frankly, I think he’s a quack, but he’s never rejected a referral. My back was injured, so I went to a ‘back doctor’.
I talked to 5 chiros before I decided on my current one. Very practical, a former HS/Collegiate athlete and current tri-athlete, holds a CSCS as well (for what it’s worth).
When I told her “You’ll never squat again” was not an acceptable answer (which I was told by other doctors), she understood completely.
If you have back issues, I believe chiros and D.O.'s are the way to go. But, like any doctor, specialist, or surgeon, you must somewhat educate yourself first and shop around.
Even chiropractors must complete gross anatomy, biochem/physics, etc., and National is a good chiro school. However, shitty doctors can still come from great schools.
I call quack and would make some phone calls and ask a lot of questions.
[quote]LiftSmart wrote:
HoratioSandoval wrote:Is this the same quack who claimed he could pick the supplements you need by placing them in your hand? What kind of doctor is this guy?
I forget what it’s called but isn’t that the belief that certain things will positively effect the bioelectric field of a person and others will negatively effect it? Which is tested by measuring the resistance of a muscle while the introduced object is touching the body?
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Applied Kinesiology
I’d personally find a new chiropractor. I guess if you like this guy’s adjustments and you can’t find anyone else he might not be able to hurt you too much. I just wouldn’t listen to anything he says about training or nutrition.
I couldn’t trust anyone who doesn’t believe in scientific testing of their techniques. I don’t really care what new age explanation a person has for why their method works (qi, magical fairies, etc), as long as it actually works. I also couldn’t trust someone who talks down to a 15 year old who actually displays an interest in physiology.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I just saw my DC today (monthly). She rehabbed me after a nasty disc injury where I literally could not stand up, and after I visited a less than spectacular D.O. who prescribed useless PT.
I specifically sought out a chiro with an athletic bent or in a sports medicine group. I skipped my PCP because, frankly, I think he’s a quack, but he’s never rejected a referral. My back was injured, so I went to a ‘back doctor’.
I talked to 5 chiros before I decided on my current one. Very practical, a former HS/Collegiate athlete and current tri-athlete, holds a CSCS as well (for what it’s worth).
When I told her “You’ll never squat again” was not an acceptable answer (which I was told by other doctors), she understood completely.
If you have back issues, I believe chiros and D.O.'s are the way to go. But, like any doctor, specialist, or surgeon, you must somewhat educate yourself first and shop around.
Even chiropractors must complete gross anatomy, biochem/physics, etc., and National is a good chiro school. However, shitty doctors can still come from great schools.
I call quack and would make some phone calls and ask a lot of questions.[/quote]
If your chiro wants you to continue monthly adjustments for “maintenance” grab your wallet and say goodbye.
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
I just saw my DC today (monthly). She rehabbed me after a nasty disc injury where I literally could not stand up, and after I visited a less than spectacular D.O. who prescribed useless PT.
I specifically sought out a chiro with an athletic bent or in a sports medicine group. I skipped my PCP because, frankly, I think he’s a quack, but he’s never rejected a referral. My back was injured, so I went to a ‘back doctor’.
I talked to 5 chiros before I decided on my current one. Very practical, a former HS/Collegiate athlete and current tri-athlete, holds a CSCS as well (for what it’s worth).
When I told her “You’ll never squat again” was not an acceptable answer (which I was told by other doctors), she understood completely.
If you have back issues, I believe chiros and D.O.'s are the way to go. But, like any doctor, specialist, or surgeon, you must somewhat educate yourself first and shop around.
Even chiropractors must complete gross anatomy, biochem/physics, etc., and National is a good chiro school. However, shitty doctors can still come from great schools.
I call quack and would make some phone calls and ask a lot of questions.
If your chiro wants you to continue monthly adjustments for “maintenance” grab your wallet and say goodbye.
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Not at all. I like going in for the adjustment to be quite honest. My back is tweaky. Once a month or two is perfect for me. Worth every cent to me to keep my back healthy and decompressed. I get an immediate and noticeable benefit from it-- especially after a recent squat or DL day.
Let’s call it part of my supplement budget. 