Do you compete, otoko? I know you mentioned that your father used to fight and was extremely skilled.
[quote]Sonny S wrote:
This thread came just in time, I was going to pose the same question.
Does anyone here have an opinion on BOB or any other freestanding heavy bag? I know everlast makes one called the wave, I believe.
My old dojo had a BOB but I never really cut loose on it since we had other equipment. But if I get one, it would have to take all the punishment I can dish out as a hvwt.
Is it worth it? Will it last? I’ve found a few available at a decent price on craigslist[/quote]
I never liked the BOB because you couldn’t cut loose with combinations while waiting for the thing to right itself after the first strike. That being said it’s neck is sturdier than the sparpro (see below).
I’ve got a sparpro that I like even with a few problems. The first problem is you have to put a lot of extra weight on it to hold it down. (a 225lb training partner and an extra 200 lbs of sand in my case). Also, I was afraid we were going to rip the head off of so I put on a neck brace made from foam rubber and duct tape. Now he is good to go, oh, except for the metal pipe (his “spine” connecting him to the base) which broke in half from repeated very heavy strikes and had to be replaced with pipe from a welding shop.
Just wear and tear I guess.
[quote]B rocK wrote:
does anyone have/use shin/instep guards? j/c[/quote]
Of course you need them for sparring!
I prefer to use bare feet for heavy bag conditioning but I wouldn’t advise trying to check shin on shin, leave that for the fights.
I am not into Muay Thai, but I studied in a Shorin Ryu Karate school years ago and we used to do partner drills with forearm on forearm, shin on shin and forearm on shin. The master used to also whack us with a bamboo cane on the shins, forearms, back, abs, chest (basically any place below the neck)while we were doing drills or katas or holding stances. You eventually get used to it and can smash your forearm/shins very hard without any pain or damage. I think it is half conditioning and half mental/focus/chi manipulation.
[quote]dswithers wrote:
I am not into Muay Thai, but I studied in a Shorin Ryu Karate school years ago and we used to do partner drills with forearm on forearm, shin on shin and forearm on shin. The master used to also whack us with a bamboo cane on the shins, forearms, back, abs, chest (basically any place below the neck)while we were doing drills or katas or holding stances. You eventually get used to it and can smash your forearm/shins very hard without any pain or damage. I think it is half conditioning and half mental/focus/chi manipulation.[/quote]
I can definitely agree with the shin to shin thing as this was the way I was taught. You soon get used to it and you get a buzz from being able to block full
blown kicks without feeling pain or even
better not feeling tearful when you bash
your shin on the edge of a draw.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Do you compete, otoko? I know you mentioned that your father used to fight and was extremely skilled.[/quote]
Only some amateur. My father discouraged me strongly my whole life from going professional. He says “money is no good”. He has connections in K-1 but he does not want to do it. HIs friend offered to offered to do it instead, but that is not good I think. There is no weight class for me.
So I decided to cross over to mma. I have judo experience but need work. So I will work on that. Lot of competition here. Even in open training floors have to share space with guys from Shooto, or ZST or Grabaka etc. So just can work hard now is all.
Run on your toes and your heels (two seperate runs, don’t mix the two). It’s preferable if you do this on sand as well. It’s more difficult and has less of an impact.
[quote]Sonny S wrote:
This thread came just in time, I was going to pose the same question.
Does anyone here have an opinion on BOB or any other freestanding heavy bag? I know everlast makes one called the wave, I believe.
My old dojo had a BOB but I never really cut loose on it since we had other equipment. But if I get one, it would have to take all the punishment I can dish out as a hvwt.
Is it worth it? Will it last? I’ve found a few available at a decent price on craigslist[/quote]
I don’t like any of the free standing equipment. They are very easy to knock over once you start throwing full force. If you have big feet like i do you will always have the base getting in your way. Lastly you won’t be able to practice low kicks (just below the knee). Your far better with either a partner or a long bag.
Pretty much everyone here has seen those hideous Muay Thai related shin breaks. Were those injuries a result of poor technique, poor nutrition or both? How can you avoid something like that if you’re into kickboxing?
[quote]Panther1015 wrote:
Pretty much everyone here has seen those hideous Muay Thai related shin breaks. Were those injuries a result of poor technique, poor nutrition or both? How can you avoid something like that if you’re into kickboxing? [/quote]
I always thought they were the result of the other guy kicking the crap out of their leg until it broke.
[quote]Panther1015 wrote:
Pretty much everyone here has seen those hideous Muay Thai related shin breaks. Were those injuries a result of poor technique, poor nutrition or both? How can you avoid something like that if you’re into kickboxing? [/quote]
I think those are freak injuries. If you saw the Pettas K-1 fight where he broke his shin he hit his opponents knee. It is surprising since Pettas was an elite Kyokushin fighter, and Kyokushin is known for their low kicks and conditioning.
I agree with Otoko in saying that they are mostly freak accidents. But I think the reasons you mentioned may have made it more likly.
1)You need a lot of conditioning to make your bones denser.
2) Nutrition to keep your bones healty.
3) Enough recovery time to let the damage done through training heal.
4) Good technique to make sure that you are hitting an enemy in a spot that is softer then the limb you are throwing.
I also stand by my initial suggestion on this thread which is get more flexible. I’ve never heard of anyone breaking thier shin on their opponents face. AND if it ever did happen… I’d prefer to have the broken shin then imagine what happened to the other guy.
I remember vaguely reading about old school methods like constantly tapping/hitting your shins up and down with a stick to deaden the nerves. ANy truth to this? Is it effective?
[quote]ScrambyEggs wrote:
I agree with Otoko in saying that they are mostly freak accidents. But I think the reasons you mentioned may have made it more likly.
1)You need a lot of conditioning to make your bones denser.
2) Nutrition to keep your bones healty.
3) Enough recovery time to let the damage done through training heal.
4) Good technique to make sure that you are hitting an enemy in a spot that is softer then the limb you are throwing.
I also stand by my initial suggestion on this thread which is get more flexible. I’ve never heard of anyone breaking thier shin on their opponents face. AND if it ever did happen… I’d prefer to have the broken shin then imagine what happened to the other guy.[/quote]
Only if you want nerve damage. The Muay Thai of old kicked soft banana trees, they flopped around like punch bags. That Van Damme crap kicking a palm tree is garbage. Coban himself never kicked anything but heavy bags and his shins were iron. If he doesnt need anything more then a heavy bag, why anyone else sees the need is beyond me.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4110170215609761528&q=muay+thai+banana+tree
I actually have the .mov version of this and elbow training downloaded from the OCmuaythai.com website but they don’t seem to be posted anymore.
The stick thing I wouldn’t get into either. That is more common now since kickboxing in Thailand has become much more profitable. People use it as a short cut so they can kick without fear. The problem is that it does real nerve damage that never heals. But if your trapped in poverty and your fighting for 5$ a week to buy food for your family, you do what you need to do. You’ll notice that a lot of thailand fighters have 100+ fights before they are 20. They also tend to be retired by 26. Present survival > long term consequence. If you aren’t in some dire circumstances I wouldn’t suggest kicking trees, punching metal plates, or (insert your own crazy idea here). You’ll be carrying your arthritic club of a limb for the rest of your life.