MR's 2 Hours of Power

[quote]Mike Robertson wrote:
Just some thoughts:

  • How heavy are you going on these lifts? You have a lot of big, compound lifts, and not a lot of rest.

  • Why are you doing sets of 15 on overhead squats? Is their purpose just for developing the O-lifts? If not, you could choose better exercises to develop size.

  • Dips and pull-ups superset will be tough. Good luck!

  • I wouldn’t go over 5 or 6 reps on the O-lifts

  • Front squats and RDL’s supersetted as well? You must be a glutton for punishment :wink:

  • I don’t see any heavy horizontal pulling in your program. If you value your shoulders, I would add some in.

  • Why don’t you use the same exercises for several weeks, and then switch? The way you have it outlined you don’t allow your body time to adapt to the program and get stronger from it; you just keep switching exercises in and out. I like the creativity, but stick with a set routine for a few weeks, then add something else in. It looks like you tried cram to everything into 3 weeks.

Hope I don’t sound too picky, just some food for thought. Let me know how/if you change it as well as how it works out!

Stay strong
MR

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Thanks Mike for the feedback. No, you are not being too picky at all, I probably have a tendency to try and cram too much in and need some good advice on where to modify things.

I posted this on CW’s thread earlier and he has already recommended alternating the 10x3 exercises between Oly lifts and regular exercises such as deads, bench etc, so I will cut the 8/6/4 for Oly lifts out.

The 3x15 for OHS are going to be very light. They are for developing the Oly lifts and flexibility. I am using them as a supplementary lift for this purpose. All the size building stuff is done earlier in the workout. I guess you could say I’m using them as prehab for my hips, lower back and shoulders.

As for the supersets, they are designed around CW’s Waterbury Method and Chad’s philosophy of using antagonistic muscle groups in supersets. This is the reason for Front Squat-RDL and Dip-Pull Ups supersets. I don’t see what is wrong with these pairings as I think I’m following the philosophy correctly. If I collapse in a screaming heap after doing these I’ll let you say “I told you so!”.

I did have horizontal pulling in there with the DB rows and Bent BB Rows, I’ll have a rethink anyway.

As for changing the exercises, I like the idea of variety. As you can see I’ve got the deadlifts and bench press figuring prominently as the 10x3 exercises. I want to get these up to speed and especially work the posterior chain as at the moment I’m really struggling with driving up heavy squats from the bottom position and suspect I need to get these muscles firing before doing too many heavy squats and injuring myself.

However I’ll have a think about what you said and see if I can make any changes. I think removing the 8/6/4 Oly lift is going to free up a lot more room to incorporate some of your suggestions.

Once again thanks for the feedback, I’ll let you know how things go.

Ben

Ben,

Sounds good. I wasn’t totally familiar with Chad’s protocol (thanks for making me refresh my memory!), so if it works for him, I’m sure it’ll work for you. It’s not a set-up I was familiar with, so by all means go for it and keep us posted

Good luck!

Stay strong
MR

Thanks Mike, I’ll post the revised program on the weekend when I have a bit more time to do so. I’ve got a training log under this forum and will be updating it frequently.

Cheers,

Ben

Ok people, 2 more hours of power…LET’S GET IT ON!

Stay strong
MR

50 trigger points, eh? That’s quite a few!

As for therapy, I would wait to see what the MRI says. Once they give a diagnosis, a proper battle plan can be put into effect. However, I would stick with the trigger point work as long as it’s providing relief.

FWIW, I know about the cost of MRI’s…I got one today and it’s going to set me back about $900!

Stay strong and good luck
MR

[quote]DA MAN wrote:
Mike

Im the douche who whined a couple weeks back about having an injury that i just cant seem to heal from. I gave a crappy description of my situation, then a better one.

Essentially what happened was an acute injury from the past of the QL/upper glute region that I retourqued about a year ago and just couldnt seem to get better. I had symptoms that could suggest muscular or disc or nerve problems so an MRI was suggested.

You mentioned trigger points, so I grabbed a book and got to readin. I have been doing the treatment for about 3 days, and I feel sooooo much damn better it is amazing. I have about 50 trigger points, literally. I have been doing the major ones in the back and lower abs and I feel 1000 times better.

I just wanted to say thank you for your help and ask if there is anything you recommend to help the trigger point therapy. Would muscle relaxers or anti-inflammatories have any benefit?

I am going to get an MRI, as soon as I can get the dipshits to give me a price. Thanks again for everything.[/quote]

Mike,

Today I started the new program we discussed at the end of this thread last week. I have modified things a little:

I’ve stuck with the Waterbury Method plan with the exception that I have cut the second 4x6 superset to a single exercise of 4x6. I have kept all three workouts the same as suggested to allow the body to adapt. To give a little variety I have changed the supplementary lift (3x15) and the ab exercises each workout. The only change to the big exercises will be alternating a 4x6 workout on Day 2 between power snatches and power cleans just to keep my technique going on each before moving to a max strength phase where these will be more common.

The three workouts are:

Day 1:

A. Bench Press 10x3
B1. Front Squat 4x6
B2. GHR 4x6
C. Push Press 4x6
D. Supp Lift 3x15 (Wk1 OHS, Wk2 DB Cuban Press, Wk 3 Poor Man Shld. Horn)
E. Abs 3x15 (Wk 1 Kneeling Cable Crunches, Wk2 Swissball Russian Twist, Wk 3 Swissball Cable Crunches)

Day 2:

A. Deadlift 10x3
B1. Decline Bench Press4x6
B2. Bent Over Row (Sup. grip) 4x6
C. Power Snatch 4x6 Power Clean in Wk2)
D. Supp Lift 3x15 (Wk1 Pulley Ext Rotations, Wk2 Bulgarian Squats, Wk 3 OHS)
E. Abs 3x15 (Wk 1 DB Side Bends, Wk2 Serratus DB Crunches, Wk 3 Woodchops)

Day 3:

A. Chin Ups10x3
B1. Dips 4x6
B2. Seated Cable Row 4x6
C. Good Mornings
D. Supp Lift 3x15 (Wk1 Rope pulls to face, Wk2 OHS, Wk 3 Pull Throughs)
E. Abs 3x15 (Wk 1 Decline Reverse Crunches, Wk2 Side Extensions, Wk 3 Bar Rollouts)

I’m still thinking as to whether I should go for another 3 weeks with different exercises after a back-off week in Week 4, before moving to the strength phases. What do you think? How would you recommend structuring the back-off week?

Cheers,

Ben

Looks good buddy.

For the back-off week, I always like cutting the volume to about 60% while dropping the weight anywhere from 5-20%. Just cut the volume and get in/out of the gym. Once you’ve done it for a while, you’ll need less and less volume/intensity during this week.

Now as far as your next training cycle, I would just wait until you see how you’re feeling after this one. If you still feel you need more hypertrophy, run another accumulation cycle. If not, switch to the intensification.

Stay strong
MR

[quote]bg100 wrote:
Mike,

Today I started the new program we discussed at the end of this thread last week. I have modified things a little:

I’ve stuck with the Waterbury Method plan with the exception that I have cut the second 4x6 superset to a single exercise of 4x6. I have kept all three workouts the same as suggested to allow the body to adapt. To give a little variety I have changed the supplementary lift (3x15) and the ab exercises each workout. The only change to the big exercises will be alternating a 4x6 workout on Day 2 between power snatches and power cleans just to keep my technique going on each before moving to a max strength phase where these will be more common.

The three workouts are:

Day 1:

A. Bench Press 10x3
B1. Front Squat 4x6
B2. GHR 4x6
C. Push Press 4x6
D. Supp Lift 3x15 (Wk1 OHS, Wk2 DB Cuban Press, Wk 3 Poor Man Shld. Horn)
E. Abs 3x15 (Wk 1 Kneeling Cable Crunches, Wk2 Swissball Russian Twist, Wk 3 Swissball Cable Crunches)

Day 2:

A. Deadlift 10x3
B1. Decline Bench Press4x6
B2. Bent Over Row (Sup. grip) 4x6
C. Power Snatch 4x6 Power Clean in Wk2)
D. Supp Lift 3x15 (Wk1 Pulley Ext Rotations, Wk2 Bulgarian Squats, Wk 3 OHS)
E. Abs 3x15 (Wk 1 DB Side Bends, Wk2 Serratus DB Crunches, Wk 3 Woodchops)

Day 3:

A. Chin Ups10x3
B1. Dips 4x6
B2. Seated Cable Row 4x6
C. Good Mornings
D. Supp Lift 3x15 (Wk1 Rope pulls to face, Wk2 OHS, Wk 3 Pull Throughs)
E. Abs 3x15 (Wk 1 Decline Reverse Crunches, Wk2 Side Extensions, Wk 3 Bar Rollouts)

I’m still thinking as to whether I should go for another 3 weeks with different exercises after a back-off week in Week 4, before moving to the strength phases. What do you think? How would you recommend structuring the back-off week?

Cheers,

Ben[/quote]

MR-

just wondering what your thoughts on squat briefs are. Im looking into buying either Inzer’s, or Ernie Frantz. I realize these brands don’t give the most out of the hole and wont increase my poundage much, but my main concern is the soreness Ive had in my hips. I was looking into the briefs to save my hips due to the increase in volume Ive started to have due to my Universities S&C program I just got.

So what do you think? Good idea in general for the briefs? Which brand would work best? Right now I dont want something where Ill have to change my form just to use as my form isnt great and is a huge emphasis right now.

Thanks Mike,

I guess that would mean doing 6x3 for the main exercise and then for the 4x6 exercises should I do something like 4x4 or 2-3 sets of 6?

I’ve also realised that I have missed an element of Chad’s program where it goes for 4 weeks, not 3. For some reason I had 3 weeks in my head when I wrote this program. I’ve seen in the “Back-off week” thread that the reduced volume week should occur between 4-6 weeks. If I was feeling OK after week 3 do you reckon I could do another 3 weeks with different exercises? Are back-off weeks to be planned or just done on instinct?

Ben

Mike,

My body feels like a train wreck lately and I was hoping you could point me in the right direction.

I feel like I’m falling apart from the neck down. I’ve spent the past 5 years as a professional wrestler. During that time I’ve had a large list of small, and a few not so small injuries accumulate.

A big part of the problem however is I have some very bad muscle imbalances/structural dysfunctions. They’ve begun to affect my training or are very noticeable on certain movements. I’ll try and run things down for you from the ground up so you have a good understanding. I apologize in advance as this may get slightly long though.

  • I was born with no arches in my feet, and never developed them.

I have very externally rotated feet, as well as very externally rotated legs all the way up. I often find myself standing (I’m on my feet 10 to 12 hours a day due to my other job) to where the inside portion of my knee is facing forward. I tend to stand with my weight on one leg, which Im trying to stop doing.

My lower back is in bad shape due to years of not training it properly and wrestling, including a seriously hyperextended lower back about 5 years ago that I don’t think Ive ever totally been the same from. The hospital placed me on strong sedatives and painkillers for about a month. All I could do was lay in bed all day for about two weeks. I youthfully began wrestling again about 2 weeks later (I was very new in the business and couldn’t afford to take any time off).

I often get very bad shin splints due to running and wrestling. I’ve also been having some ligament pain I believe on the inside of the knee due to the way I stand. This is coupled with very bad ankle/foot pain, in the bones/muscles along the top of the foot where it meets the ankle. (Especially the outer foot)

From the time I was born until about 13 years old I used to have terrible leg pains, especially at night. They were never really diagnosed (my mom used to call them ‘cramps’, but they were definitely not muscular cramps) that I believe were a result of my legs developing the way they did and having no arches. For some odd reason I used to walk on my toes until I was about 4 or 5. I began walking very young (7 months) if that makes a dfference as far as structural development at the time.

My shoulders have also been killing me every time I wrestle lately. I believe it is a rotator cuff problem, as I think I am very weak in that area. Also, about 6 months ago I tore some of the stabilizer muscles in my right shoulder. That’s not my diagnosis, but I’ll come to that in a second.

My squat and dl’s are at a sticking point. The numbers arent great, but they’re okay. The problem is there are some exercises I’ve noticed Im weak in. Like, extremely embarrassingly weak. Reverse hypers immediately come to mind, as I’ve seen people in much worse shape than I am use 3 to 4 times the amount of weight I do. Also, while on this exercise I have a VERY hard time keeping my legs from rotating so the outside portion of my legs are facing upward and the inside facing the ground. Even 20 lbs seems to cause this.

Any type of delt raise does as well. I can use my bodyweight for 5 x 5 on military presses, but I struggled recently doing a set of 10 on our gyms icarian lateral raise machine. Christ, the fat lady in spandex before me was using 30 lbs. And bent over laterals? 5 lbs is tough for me, despite the fact that I’ve been chinning and rowing consistently for about a year now. Ive always struggled with these exercises, and while my chins are coming up, my bent over rows are horrible, literally about half of my bench numbers. Ive also noticed when Im doing them (knees slightly to very bent, depending, lower back with a good arch) my legs start to shake uncontrollably near the end of my set. Lower back? I deadlift, and my numbers arent horrible seeing as Ive only made them a consistent part of my workout about a year now.

Squatting with any form but 1 is impossible to do safely for me. Wide stance squats with my feet facing very very out (like 3/4 of the way to having my toes face sideways out) is the only way I can keep an arch in my back and maintain vertical. Toes totally forward, shins vertical, medium stance squat? Forget it. My lower back rounds to hunchback - like proportions and I fall over, even with no bar.

I do see a chiropractor. It has helped with back pain trememndously. However, I see them for free (my wife is the office manager) and while they are very good chiropractors, they’re both a bit older and not up as much on sports medicine, athletes, things like that, so it’s hard to really know what to do in certain situations. Every time I have anything going on with me physically, their advice is to not wrestle or train for 6 weeks. Not really an option on either front chief, ya know? Shit, I’d wind up doing neither ever again if that was the rule.

Due to time and neglecting flexibility over the past few years, I’m very tight all over. I’ve begun your Hardcore Stretching program as of two days ago, incorporating PNF into most of it. The glute/posterior chain and especially the piriformis stretches are the hardest on me. Very very tight. I will be doing this program 6 nights a week.

As for training and all now, I really want my training to be structured around correcting any of this that can be corrected. It seems like there are some areas I definitely need to majorly strengthen, and I am enjoying doing heavier training. I have been using Dan John’s great One Lift A Day program, and was wondering if it would be possible to use a template such as that (possibly throwing in some assistance exercise Westside style but overall the workout being focused around one lift) or any other intensive strength program while adding in extra work in the weak areas and just maintaining or even dropping strength in the other areas until everything is corrected. Possibly like with the OLAD program, cuban press, bent over rows, chinups, deadlifts, reverse hypers and (gulp) feet forward medium stance box squats. Would there be any way possible to arrange a split like this and avoid overtraining? Is any strength specilization program possible while trying to correct these problems?

Also, if you have any views on anything other than training that could be of help to me, I’d be really interested in hearing it. It just seems like I’m falling apart before I even hit 25. Especially after wrestling the night before my body will hurt for a week later with just random nagging things. Then, time to do it all over again. I’d truly like to correct this while becoming stronger and bigger at the same time. Thank you once again for taking the time to read all of this. Any advice would be great!

Kubo

I don’t personally use briefs, but I know the Inzer’s are probably good for what you want (support w/o much pop).

Now here’s what I’m interested in: WHY DO YOUR HIPS HURT? Are you squatting extra wide? Is your technique off? Do you have some kind of assymetry/imbalance that is causing this? Not to say the briefs won’t help, but it’s kind of like the bandage covering the wound. Find out what the real problem is and address it as well.

Stay strong
MR

[quote]BigDirk wrote:
MR-

just wondering what your thoughts on squat briefs are. Im looking into buying either Inzer’s, or Ernie Frantz. I realize these brands don’t give the most out of the hole and wont increase my poundage much, but my main concern is the soreness Ive had in my hips. I was looking into the briefs to save my hips due to the increase in volume Ive started to have due to my Universities S&C program I just got.

So what do you think? Good idea in general for the briefs? Which brand would work best? Right now I dont want something where Ill have to change my form just to use as my form isnt great and is a huge emphasis right now.[/quote]

BG,

The set/rep schemes you outlined look fine; as well, don’t forget to drop the loading during these weeks.

I wouldn’t perform 6 weeks of continuous training w/anyone that’s been training for an extended period of time. Case and point: I was working with a TOTAL newbie a few weeks back. I was charting his progress, and when we would get to week 5 or 6, his progress would really start to slow down. For just about anyone who’s trained 6+ months, I wouldn’t go more than 4 weeks w/o unloading. In your case, I would use the 3:1 loading:unloading scheme, then start up the next phase with new exercises.

Stay strong
MR

[quote]bg100 wrote:
Thanks Mike,

I guess that would mean doing 6x3 for the main exercise and then for the 4x6 exercises should I do something like 4x4 or 2-3 sets of 6?

I’ve also realised that I have missed an element of Chad’s program where it goes for 4 weeks, not 3. For some reason I had 3 weeks in my head when I wrote this program. I’ve seen in the “Back-off week” thread that the reduced volume week should occur between 4-6 weeks. If I was feeling OK after week 3 do you reckon I could do another 3 weeks with different exercises? Are back-off weeks to be planned or just done on instinct?

Ben

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Kubo,

Here’s my .02, FWIW.

I would be willing to bet that at least a little bit of your pain and suffering could be corrected with good orthotics. A lot of what you described is outlined in our Neanderthal No More series; I would highly suggest you read it. Later on, it would be an ideal program to getting you strong and moving in a functional manner. Regardless, collapsed arches can cause compensations all the way up the kinetic chain; this could even be impacting your shoulders!

Without being able to evaluate you in person, getting you totally fixed up would be tough. I would start off by finding a solid, sports-minded PT or chiro. Orthotics would get the ball rolling, but the fact that you stand with the weight on one leg indicates you COULD have a structural leg length discrepancy as well. A chiro/PT/ortho could tell you all this, as well as help you develop a program to getting your entire body fixed up. Fixing the root of the problem (your feet/knees/hips) is where you need to start, though.

If you’d like, shoot me a PM and we’ll see if we can’t find someone to help you. Good luck!

Stay strong
MR

MR-

I think the hip soreness is because I have recently switched to a wider stance. I feel it is working well, its just that Im not used to the width so I think this may be contributing to the soreness.

Gotcha; as long as it’s just muscle soreness and not pain, you could just be bringing up weak muscles as you said. Give it some time and let us know how it’s going!

Stay strong
MR

[quote]BigDirk wrote:
MR-

I think the hip soreness is because I have recently switched to a wider stance. I feel it is working well, its just that Im not used to the width so I think this may be contributing to the soreness.[/quote]

Just a reminder I’ll be on tonight from 8-10 EST to field any and all questions. Feel free to leave questions here as well and I’ll answer them when I get on.

Stay strong
MR

I’m on people…make me feel important and ask some questions, ok?

Stay strong
MR

Mike,

How would you go about setting up the training year for a rugby union player? Obviously off season and in season training would be different due to the demands of team training and playing once per week.

I want to help my brother set up his training, he trains on Wednesdays with the team and plays on Saturday. He has a very busy job so training time is a bit limited at the moment.

Cheers,

Ben

Ben,

I can’t really outline a whole program for you. However, for the in-season phase I woudl have him training 2 times per week. Big, compound lifts and low volume would be key. He could even do one day of heavier stuff to maintain strength, and then a lighter/power oriented day.

Stay strong
MR

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