“Many women like assholes” is just vague enough where you can’t really discredit it. Many? How many? Certainly not all or none. A majority? Shit even it’s like 10% of women like assholes, well shit that’s in line with many as that would be millions of women right? That’s “many” in my book.
And I certainly don’t think you’re protesting the “women like assholes” clause of the declarative … I think we can all agree some women are attracted to or even like assholes…
I’m not sure, really, what your issue with the statement is other than you don’t like Pat … In which case I’d say don’t shoot the messenger
I wanted to come back to this. I am one average woman who has plastered failure after failure across these boards. I was married to a man who had impulse control issues with finances and honesty, was given to angry, profane outbursts, and dabbled in Vegas hookers. When I ended that marriage of 23 years (four children) I had to hustle to get my own career and finances organized. At one point I received a letter from the government threatening to seize my assets over a $2k tax bill he’d neglected to pay. That I am now happily married to someone I like and respect is by dint of my efforts to figure out how to make different, more successful choices, which process also played out on these boards.
I think you also know that my family was sub-optimal growing up and that I was a high school dropout and runaway. I had two parents in the home until I was 12 and was still being brutally assaulted by my brother regularly.
One life success after another? Please.
I believe my one experience is a valid one, particularly as I back it up with what could be considered a qualitative study of the people with whom I work as a psychotherapist who is qualified by education and licensure to undertake such studies, as well as by posting information coming from quantitative studies done by others. You’re welcome for the quality information I provide you, because the dystopian world you see and fear is unbearable, and I’m here with good news. I’ve worked with dozens of pretty young women who have no desire to ride a carousel until they’re middle aged and gross, then find some poor shlub of an incel to support them, so be of good cheer, these are issues that are being magnified for the gain of podcasters and journalists and other influencers.
Women had to up their game in the 60’s because the status quo was untenable. Have there been overcorrections? Yes, and I am the first to use what limited influence I have to push people to recognize them. Nonetheless, wishing for the past is simply not workable, so now men are going to have to up their games. Because as I’ve said many, many times on these boards, not every woman is pretty or desirable, even while young, and they are not living the happy life you imagine there having been for them, and never were. They don’t deserve, and now don’t have to tolerate, a live of impoverishment and isolation so that similarly undesirable young men can have the women pictured in your meme.
They have something women like. Usually looks, charm or both. Exceptions exist, but usually the asshole guys that have women have something women like. It isn’t like the reverse isn’t generally true (a hot chick can get away with more too).
Up thread, l mentioned like status (overall score, desirability, whatever name) can generally find someone close to their level. Nature has been pushing that always.
Modern society has enabled women go getters their own security and sex crazed but lazy men a porn release. If they are alone, it is their choice (other than the emotionally stilted). And without researching, l bet non attached against their will, is a small number.
I’m not sure if you recall this, but I have worked and known people up and down the socioeconomic ladder. I have worked in Bushwick, Brooklyn; Jamaica, Queens, and the Bronx for a total of fifteen years, with additional years in well-to-do places in Long Island. I’m well aware that women working for minimum wage in foodservice, housekeeping, or as CNA’s, are not living the life of women eating lobster omelettes for breakfast as $25,000-per-year members at the country club in Sands Point while their Mr. Bigs are at work, a place I worked at while I was in school. I’m also aware the nurses I work with, bogged down with double shifts (16 hours) because of labor shortage aren’t living the life of Reilly.
I don’t live in a bubble.
Likewise I can think of two attractive women who went through their own hells and abuses despite their attractiveness: my own mother and grandmother. And related to what you said, my mother had the ability to walk away from a negligent man because she was a teacher who busted her butt with additional after-school work and a lousy commute to raise two boys, one of whom went away for three years to state mandated rehab (which is pretty much prison for young people, and his roommate was an NY crip) after being in Riker’s Island for six weeks, a place one might even know about from listening to his/her favorite rappers, including yours, Jay-Z. How any mother can sleep while her sixteen year old boy is there for even a short time like that is beyond me.
Had my grandmother drove a car or had a profession, she’s might have left. Who knows? But her case is definitely one that fits the trapped situation many women were or are in.
I’ve only shared such personal accounts because you have, which is respectable. I refrained from doing so until now because it appears to me you might think I live in fantasy land.
For now, thanks for the thoughtful post. As usual I must respond further with more detail later if I do.
You don’t think I’m stupid, but from what you write, I take it you are making things up about what I think and write.
Let’s put it this way. There was a time where it was thought AIDS could be spread through regular human contact and even survive on toilet seats, why? Dr. Fauci. He was the moron that scared the ever-living shit out of people so that they didn’t want to be near a gay person just in case. That’s where that notion came from.
This article was written in 2014, so it has not yet been colored by covid. Now keep in mind the very same people who wrote this article are his biggest cheerleaders now…
Hot chicks can get rent paid, free food and drinks, club access at anytime, etc. There is a term for it called ‘pretty privilege’. No man can or ever will experience this. But most men don’t care.
What the hell is that supposed to mean? What was untenable?
From where to where? Provide, secure, protect and provide (yes it’s worth saying twice), what precisely needs to be upped?
Well, technically that’s not up to women. Men decide relationships. Women decide sex. And as things are currently tracking many, many women at greater proportions are projected to never be married. And if that’s their wish, well they can have at it. Men don’t care as much about this stuff. But if a woman chooses not to marry or partner up, then isolation is a given and it’s best she not be impoverished. But she’ll have her ‘hot girl summer’ memories to keep her warm at night.
Keep in mind these attitudes are only possible in a first world country. It’s not true in all possible circumstance, only a finite set of circumstances.
Yeah @EmilyQ - it’s impossible that you left your husband because he clearly decided the relationship. Also, the fact that you provided, secured, protected, and provided (yes it’s worth saying twice) for your kids by yourself? Not at all impressive or laudable. Because you’re a woman. But when a man does it - he’s fulfilling his full potential and should have to do nothing further to justify his value to society.
This seems to be the case for some of us. The OP asked for thoughts on matriarchy. I expected we can share a variety of views, experiences, and observations on the matter, not just say, “Yes, that’s for certain to be amazing and will definitely lead to peace, national security, mental well-being, self-actualizion, better living standards, and prosperity.” We should be able to bring out a balance sheet showing the pros and cons of matriarchy and patriarchy as well as the results we have seen and see for both. For starters, one can visit patriarchal and matriarchal communities right here in the USA and see the effects of both.
Mainly by homosexuals and ugly women, though. Take freebies when you can get it. Simps come in all different shapes and sizes.
In all seriousness when you’re a kid or young adult, people of all types want to help you a lot more with gifts, money, than when you get older. No strings attached, too. Puppies get more affection than the old dogs. Part cuteness factor and part helplessness.
Heh.
Most women I know who work with and for other women will be the first to admit it’s not all sunshine and rainbows in such environments.
I worked briefly as a security guard in a C&A store once and I was the only guy there. The drama between them girls was off the charts. Like a state of constant emotional warfare.
I don’t know if more women in power is better or worse but if it was ONLY women in power things wouldn’t much peaceful.
I think people always get scared when a new disease like AIDS or covid comes around and they now very little about it.
I’m sure people were avoiding gay people all over the world during the aids epidemic without ever having heard about Fauci.
You mentioned Fauci having flip flopped plenty of times regarding covid.
Plenty of governments and health agencies flip flopped but that was a question of not knowing anything about a new virus and taking new measures or adopting new strategies as more was known.
That happened all over the world and it was a public health thing, not political, not a left or right thing.
Not saying Fauci had or had not political motivations. I didn’t think he did, but I’m not American, so I’ll take your word for it.
You seem like a knowledgeable guy.