It’s not controversial; it’s juvenile. The fact she used words like suitors and competing tells you she’s someone who makes everyone around her miserable.
The characteristics of a potential mate she wrote about are fine. However I believe her post was made simply to agitate and intimidate the men who look at or court her. She’s a woman who more than a fair share of men find attractive and she flaunts her breasts and buttocks, and while cherishing her solitude, incites the male sex drive in the very public space of social media.
Every ordinary or attractive woman in a public space has suitors and men who fantasize about them. So it’s perfectly reasonable that these men think they’re not the only ones. But she then schools them on the reality of her comparing their presence to her solitude. Meanwhile she and those like her wouldn’t be making such wiseass and sexually-tinged social media posts if it weren’t for a needy male population.
But can we blame her? Many men in the West don’t mind being violated and I’ve given my theory on why that is. A side note to this is that although I’ve not known many, every womanizer I’ve known (and I don’t mean attractive men who had to fight off women, but those who had peculiar obsessions with women and sex) was raised by a single mother or had a negligent or distant dad.
I don’t think she is making such a comparison but is simply a woman who doesn’t want any man in the first place but thrives off sexual attention, which is now very common.
Hardly any men make such posts because although a tiny minority of us are intentionally womanless we know being womanless is awful. I’ve said before that few things make men angrier than being womanless.
I understand there’s a fair share of people out there who don’t like what I have to say, so I thank you for your civil interaction with me while we likely disagree in all areas of this topic. I have discussed this topic with both women and men in real life in a civil manner.
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I agree that it’s juvenile. Why people feel the need to broadcast their most intimate thoughts to generalized social media via memes is beyond me, though I enjoy observing them. Her comments seem better suited to a tipsy conversation with girlfriends at TGI Fridays in my opinion. And yet, here we are, in a thread that is bursting at the seams with the exact same thing, but from men.
The meme showing attractive professional women laughing at having tricked the betas.
The woman saying “I’ll have a guy who enhances my life or continue looking, content with being alone” is simply offering her take on mating. Was it in response to a man accusing her of poor behavior in cutting him loose? Perhaps. I was accused of using a dating site “like a shopping mall” when I told a guy I’d gone out with twice that it wasn’t going to work between us several years ago (used my own money for food and drinks, btw, and we never kissed). Actually, there were a couple of dicey reactions. One, I know, is recorded here at TNation, with suggestions regarding guns and when to call the police. Also recorded here at TN was sadness over dropping a guy I’d been writing back and forth with, who accurately sensed I’d met someone (to whom I’m now married) when I cut him loose, though was very polite. I mean, we’d never met, so it would be pretty weird to be otherwise, but it certainly happens. I don’t think I have anything to be ashamed of in my behavior. I’m not required to kiss, sleep with, stay with or make feel good about themselves anyone I may engage with romantically. My job is, as @anna_5588 notes, to find someone who suits ME. Their job is to find their own suitable match. If that’s me and I’m not interested, that’s too bad, by which I mean that it may be unfortunate or distressing for them, but there is nothing I can do about it. This all transpired in my 40’s, btw, with men around my age. I’d have to get my fingers out to count, but I probably went out with more than a dozen men - a geologist, a financier, a doctor, and etc. My husband is an engineer. I have not found much of the wisdom shared in this thread or throughout this site by men worried about these things to be correct in my own experience. My sexual market value has seemed to hold steady.
The first is factually incorrect. Married men of all ages have more sex than same-age unmarried men. Does frequency reduce? Probably yes, but interestingly married men in their 50’s have on average more sex than married men in their 30’s, which is probably due to kids and other interferences. One of which may be a souring relationship, of course.
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Why do you routinely speak to me about you and your life when I speak of broad social issues and group dynamics.
You’re one woman talking about one life success after another. That’s good for you. What does that have to do with broad topics I discuss?
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Aside from the last example… Which is a bit odd, what’s the issue with doing this kind of stuff in your free time?
Disagree, I have a different theory. I believe today’s society demonises traditional masculine constructs. There are a very few select elements of traditional old school masculinity one could perceive as toxic.
Men don’t show emotion comes to mind… But few abide by such logic, I’d like to think we have SOME common sense.
But no… Now you have people up in arms over contact sports, kids innocently horsing around… Masculine, secondary sexual characteristics like body hair are seen as distasteful. Assertiveness, confrontation etc are seen as toxic attributes, rather we opt to teach people to conform with the greater good in mind no matter the nature of paradigm pushed. How can the modern man be confident and secure when they’re taught to feel as if they’re pieces of shit and need to “be better” just because they’re men?
There is little incentive to adhere to means by which men were biologically manufactured. Not to say all biological instincts are good instincts… But assertiveness, the ability to stand your ground, hold your own and survive independently… Thear aren’t negative traits. It is interesting as to how civilized society has taught men in particular to shrug off, detach from primal, engrained hardwiring. Whereas women are encouraged to celebrate the characteristics that make a woman a woman. Obviously I’m generalising, however there’s definately something to be said about misandry becoming systemic to a degree… Now you’ve got a whole generation of men who practically worship the ground women walk on, it’s hilarious.
well… The variable I’ve highlighted for comical effect is important. Would you not agree? Physical intimacy is a pivotal part of a healthy relationship. Physical intimacy also serves to tame… Primitive urges.
Better to have sex in real life provided the act is performed in a responsible and ethical manner as opposed to say… viewing it behind a screen and supporting that unregulated, highly exploitative industry
Utopia would infer some kind of idealistic scenario is unfolding. A situation where women do all of the choosing yet men simply have to prey and hope… Adhere to unattainable ideals isn’t a utopia.
I think just about anyone can find a sexual partner if they try hard enough… But it’s going to be far easier for an unattractive woman to find a mate relative to an unattractive man.
As am I… Only have to look to what has happened in Australia to see why I can’t stand authoritarianism.
Not having a mom/dad is better for future generations? Not being raised under the confines of a nuclear family is beneficial? Am I interpreting your statement correctly?
I’m not going to deny there may be a wage discrepancy, mistreatment in certain professions. I have family members who have had their positions shifted around, pay docked on the basis of “you’re a woman”… However with the attitude many have, particularly the youth revolving around woman and politics you’d think countries like America and Aus have an element of societal misogyny akin to Saudi Arabia… And when I bring up Shariah law the response I get is “but that’s their culture”…
No… Fuck off… If you’re going to complain, advocate for reform in countries that ACTUALLY oppress women… Instead of campaigning for say… The millitary to loosen fitness requirements sole for women to meet diversity quotas. Feelings don’t matter when you’re on the battlefield. “Sorry person from the army I’m fighting against. Could you stop shooting at me for a second, you see I couldn’t pass the fitness test and I’m tired. Let’s have a five minute time out and get back to fighting”.
To note… I’m not gaslighting you here by mentioning Islam. I’m bringing up the sheer absurdity associated with this situation. To complain about systemic sexism within a culture where men/women are equal. Not only that… but a culture where a push for female superiority has become omnipresent. It’s beyond me…
No… But as is human nature many will take advantage of men who think this way… Wring them out!
Then again, I’m not advocating for change on a systemic scale. Remove the man hating, wage inequities, the woke narratives in media and I’m a happy potato. I think the downfalls like the evolution of a sexual marketplace are the better of two evils. In saying this, I’m still not advocating for dismantling the familial unit by any means… Nor am I advocating for pregnancy out of wedlock, single mothers/father’s etc.
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Where abouts are you getting your facts?
I think it depends on how long you are in to your relationship. A 50 something year old man married for 30 odd years to the same woman is more likely to have sex not very often. His friend who is on to his third marriage, this time with a late 20s early 30s wife, is probably going to be having sex a lot more often, especially if he takes viagra and cialis. Five or ten years later they might not be having as much sex or sex at all.
Then you have guys of the same age group that have been married, and divorced. They aren’t remarried but are in serial monogamous relationships, and seem to have plenty of sex, at least until the relationship runs its course, then they begin again.
I’m not saying some people out there aren’t having sex in long term relationships just that they are not the majority.
You speak of imagined and assumed issues, and I find them in direct contrast with my experience. Not only that, but I work intimately with men and women from all political and socioeconomic groups, and have done in both Texas and the northeast, so a broad sampling. I find that your assumptions align with a certain subset of people, which are less desirable people generally. Men and women. As far as more desirable people go, I meet them, too, and don’t find the pretty young females any more likely to play the field (the ol’ cock carousel) than the ugly or older ones.
I also bring data in, and have for years. What more do you want in disagreement? I don’t see what you see, statistically or personally, though I don’t dispute the high divorce rate or damage there from to children. My issue is with the solutions you propose, which disadvantage women.
Very creative analogy. Creates a picture in my mind that I hope I never picture ever again.
I’ve found those who were either raised within very sheltered environments, those who had hellicopter parents, neglectful parents and/or those who were exposed to some variation of abuse or systemic abandonment tend to be the types who are extremely promiscuous.
I don’t think attractive women are more likely to have a higher body count per se… Rather I think life tends to come easier (generalisation) to them, I think they have a far greater “pick” in terms of who they can marry/develop relationships with.
Then there are also genetic variables… Like neurodevelopmental disorders and the likes that can mediate promiscuity.
I can do the exact same thing considering that what I speak of here doesn’t even apply to my life.
I was at a beach house this past weekend and all the family members I was with were coupled up. I go to a Traditional Catholic church on Sundays with my wife and the kids and can count a few dozen couples with kids. Nearly all of my friends are employed and have women. I don’t see a low birthrate; some of them have four children. I am employed and work with nearly all women, mostly nice and caring high-quality women. My cousins are engaged or married. I am happily married man with two beautiful kids (hopefully I’ll have a third). I am neither gorgeous or rich but I receive female attention when at work or out and about. I am not lonely and friendless; sometimes I have up to 50 people at events at my house. Why are some men finding it harder to make friends now?
Therefore I must be imagining and delusional about all I say here, along with actual academicians who’ve written entire tomes.
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They most likely have a lower count, although there are exceptions to everything. They have to do less to attract attention, less to retain a man, and are able to attract more desirable men to begin.
Just a couple of girlfriends bonding?
Busting your balls. Which is of course, a man interaction.
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No doubt. 
You mention exceptions
I’ve met some very insecure, yet very attractive young women and/or very attractive young women who have abandonment issues and/or have gotten out of abusive relationships who tend to get very attached to the same type of people.
That is shitty, manipulative, narcissistic, sociopathic subtypes who will initially shower them with affection before pulling away, perhaps even going as far as to cheat whilst for whatever reason the girl at hand desparate tries to latch onto the initial ideal she had in her head pertaining to the quality of the relationship… It’s super sad
And these girls tend to have super high body counts as a result.
I wouldn’t consider this type “promiscuous”, rather I’d consider them easily coerced or manipulated. Very sad to see… And it’s difficult to talk sense into them.
At the start of the year I became friendly with a girl like this. I tried to help her out, but she ended up doing something that led me to leave the friendship. It’s good to lend a helping hand so long as lending help isn’t at the expensive of your health/wellbeing (with a few exceptions)… But if a friendship turns unhealthy… I don’t think that makes me a bad person for retreating.
As much as I’d like to help everyone I can… I don’t wish to be surrounded with people who are going to weigh me down either…
Or unattractive for reasons that aren’t physically evident. See:
She wasn’t a bad person… Rather a very problematic individual who chose very problematic partners.
There was a glaringly obvious reason behind her repetitive mistakes in the relationship department… But I won’t disclose that on here. Our conversations were private, strictly confidential. I intend to uphold that seal of trust, even on anonymous forums.
Not saying she is or was.
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Who here has proposed that a woman is obligated to go out with any guy who winks at her?
Actually anyone familiar with the nature of the sexual revolution is aware of the context of such a meme and that actually some of the foremost revolutionaries were powerful, womanizing, and influential men who wanted to shape society to suit their desire for limitless harems, such as Kinsey and Hugh Hefner, smut producers, and Hollywood producers who in their movies and magazines pushed the notion that commitment and marriage and all the burdens of it and child raising were for chumps. I mean, who wants all that stress when a man can bed down with one young hot chick after another? Who wants to be that worn down beta with bags under his eyes at the daily grind?
Some ordinary men did benefit (in a way) in the beginning of it all. But what the revolutionaries didn’t consider was that hypergamy has no bounds and that as time went on, more and more men would be left with no woman and no kids.
I expect this to be countered by someone with, “Are you saying that EVERY man is owed a woman?”, as if I should make disclaimer after disclaimer as I explain myself.
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18+ years of dedication, bringing a new life into the world… Pfffft, tHaT’S fOr ChUmPs (sarcasm)
I can’t help but think it’s gotta be harder for the women considering many opt to give birth… Whilst it is a natural process, the dynamics behind it freak me out
Prior to medical interventions the maternal mortality rate was startlingly high. In Sierra Leone today, 1/75 pregnancies end with the mother dying. That’s a TERRIFYING statistic
Why couldn’t humans be designed in a way where giving birth is relatively painless, risk free?
Thankfully now we have epidurals, painkillers, C-section if required etc… I do NOT envy those who had to give birth back in the day…
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I’ve known some that bothe parents were negligent (raised by their grandparents or sometimes just by a grandmother).
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How Often Do Couples in Their 40’s Make Love? (30, 50, 60’s too) (newmiddleclassdad.com)
According to this, sexual frequency among married couples in the US decreases with age, but generally stays above once per week on average for couples under 60. I’m not sure how this data accounts for couples with large age differences and I would also suspect that a median might be more useful than an average since that would better represent the typical experience. When the minimum is 0 and the maximum is probably pretty high, a few overachievers can really skew the average.
In regards to Bill Gates, I don’t think the fact that he wanted to cheat necessarily reflects on how much sex he was having with Melinda. A lot of men are probably perfectly happy to cheat even when they are sexually active with their wives. Moreover, I don’t think that we have data that says Bill Gates wasn’t successful at cheating. I don’t really know the details on how he tried to cheat or what he was looking for. But it’s fairly unlikely he couldn’t have found a willing partner if he was willing to sink a bit of money into it.
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