More Trouble Than I Am Worth: Chaos Is The Plan (T3hPwnisher Log)

Worth the upgrade? Haha skipping all the really good conversation to go straight for important things.

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All I use my Switch for is to play video games from 1997 and earlier than have been ported onto it, so in that regard I’m content and there really isn’t anything the Switch2 offers for me. However, I dig that it’s fully reverse compatible, to include with OG switch controllers. I honestly don’t know what new game could come out that I’d care enough about to want to buy/play.

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Because I have achieved what is considered “lean” bodyfat percentage, I assumed I was fine with candy bars and ribeyes - and for a long time I was. However, now that I am collecting Social Security, that leanness isn’t protective anymore. At approximately 15% bodyfat, I have high BP, hyperlipidemia, and am prediabetic.

I attribute it to genetics and being overweight - my BMI is 26.3. I think weight plays an increasingly larger role as we age.

But, I am sure my lifestyle choices also contributed. Post diagnosis is not the time to try to implement changes. I figure most folks would be better off eating healthy regardless of their bloodwork.

Always appreciate when you “rant” about important things.

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Your praise holds a lot of weight: thank you for it.

You bring up a really fascinating point regarding leanness. We’re hearing more and more about this notion of a “personal fatness threshold”, and what used to be sold as a feature is really a bug.

We used to admire folks that could “eat whatever they want and not get fat”, and we’d look at people on “My 600lb life” with pity and horror, but we’re finding out that it’s actually pretty hard (genetically) to GET to be 600lbs. You actually need to have the right amount of fat cells to GET that fat. Those who don’t have the right amount/amount with that high of capacity can only get SO fat before the body flat out can’t store any more subcutaneous fat.

Oh, but don’t you worry: the body hasn’t exhausted it’s fat storage yet! It’s just going to start storing VISCERAL fat instead.

Yeah, that’s REALLY not good. And it ALSO comes with a whopping dose of insulin resistance too, because the body is SPAMMING insulin trying to get these damn fat cells to hold more fat and they keep saying “We’re all full up here: go somewhere else”. It’s how we get those “SOFI” (skinny outside/fat inside) folks, who visually LOOK fine, and under the hood are a wreck. Probably also explains the opposite folks we’d run into, that were clearly morbidly obese but had good blood markers.

It’s as you said: you gotta take care of the stuff BEFORE it’s a problem.

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I love plan (full fat) Greek yogurt and plan (full fat) kefir. I will take “shots” of the latter, while the former is like a decadent treat. That said, most people I know that like “yogurt” will only eat the type with lots of sugar and added flavors.

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This is a favorite of mine too.

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I find myself (as someone who doesn’t have the cleanest of diets) that I just crave REAL food. Case in point I had opportunity to eat KFC the other day - and I couldn’t finish it. I just didn’t want it.
I find myself more and more drawn to an altered philosophy of Michael Pollan - Eat real food, mostly animals (instead of plants), not too much.
I am not demonizing plants, they just aren’t the backbone.

My favourite meals are when my wife does plain roast veges with full fat yoghurt sauce and slow cooked lamb or beef. Bliss

(you do have to be careful with cheese though - it seems ok but so easy to overeat).

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That’s me. I switched from Dannon Light & Fit for plain greek and boy was it bitter! I haven’t tried it since. I also don’t eat the other stuff anymore. It served a great purpose once upon a time when I lived off smoothies for breakfast.

BMI doesn’t really work for those of us who have intentionally added muscle. It’s an outdated scale unless you’re one of the obese to morbidly obese people. The rest of us can focus more on body fat and that internal/visceral body fat @T3hPwnisher referenced.

I know the documentary “Fed Up” has an angle and bias, but it still has tons of great information in it, so I’ll be showing it to my class soon. They show a family getting DEXA scans to check their true fat levels and locations, and the kids in it are already fat on the inside. It’s crazy what our food can do to us.

This is the only draw for me. I almost bought one for Christmas last year with the Mario Kart bundle but waffled. Did the same thing this year and saw it’s gone up in price because of the 2.0 version, so I didn’t buy it again. Maybe someday


We still have the OG Nintendo but I’m missing some of the best games like Contra and Paper Boy.

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You have to move to this in phases. I would recommend trying it with peanut butter and honey. (Assuming you like peanut butter and honey).Slowly decrease the amounts of each. Eventually you will be to plain yogurt without the overwhelming change in flavor slapping you in the face.

I love this documentary.

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It’s just a ratio of height to weight, without regard to what is making you weigh that much. As you say, for us that have intentionally added muscle or for high level athletes, it is not useful and even misleading. But when applied across an entire population, the people that are overly muscled are a small enough fraction that they don’t effect the overall trends and analyses. I wouldn’t call it “outdated” because it just uses height and weight, which are also long time measurements but wouldn’t be called outdated. I would just call it limited and perhaps not always applicable at the individual level.

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Hey, appreciate you addressing my post. I think I did not articulate my point well, or I misread your point - probably a combination of both.

Here is my thought in a nutshell. For me, at 15% body fat, I would be healthier at 175, “normal” according to BMI, than at 205, “overweight” according to BMI.

At 205, there is more mass to maintain - weight to carry, tissue to supply with blood, etc . . . organs have to work harder.

My genetics may be different, so everyone’s mileage may vary.

At 205, my health markers were not good, despite being “lean.” When I lose weight, my health markers improve.

I respect your opinion as a Health/PE Teacher, as well as your commitment to education. Most of the PE teachers I knew would have the kids walk on the track for 30 minutes or less, throw a football or a frisbee - no lesson planning, no assessment, just an A for showing up and dressing or a B for not walking. I also saw many that had lesson plans, had tests, made kids write essays - mad respect for you for being of service. It is, for many, a calling.

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Definitely wanna circle back to this, but for now

Nutrition Recap

Breakfast was 14.5oz of grassfed airfried lamb alongside some beef liver, 3 whole eggs and 5 whites.

Met a friend for dinner at my favorite BBQ spot, and they do “jumbo wings” on Wednesdays
so that’s what I got. 5 of those. Jumbo wings are REAL chicken wings, as opposed to what most wings places do where they break a wing into a flat and a drum and try to sell them as 2 wings
so this was like 10 “wings” in a normal place.

Also included some photos of last night’s Metabolic Drive pudding. I don’t know if I’ve ever had full fat greek yogurt before
it’s SO much better than fat free.

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Why yes it it.

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Alright, so BMI discussion: @OyAmPipMayo brings up the point that a lot of meatheads don’t like to hear. BMI is simply an all cause mortality evaluator. There is a correlation between BMI reaching a certain threshold and risks factors increasing. Yes: often that’s because of someone being overFAT, but even in the case of being overmuscled, the heart and organs are really pretty agnostic of the whole situation. They STILL gotta work harder to support the system. Ever wonder why Great Danes die at 7 years old whereas you can have a 21 year old Chihuahua?

But here’s the OTHER thing we meatheads don’t like to acknowledge: it’s REALLY hard to achieve an obese BMI while being lean. At least, as a natural trainee. Most likely: we’re actually STILL carrying a bit more fluff than necessary with our “massive gains”, and if we spent a little bit of time streamlining, we’d probably improve our health quite a bit.

I know for a fact from my own observations that my RHR increases to match a rise in bodyweight. When I’m in the high 170s, I hang around 36-38. When I get into the mid 180s, it’s 44. Even though I’m stronger and fitter at this weight, it’s a strain on the system.

Now, I WILL agree that it’s a poor idea to use BMI as an indication of FATNESS. This is where the system is flawed. But it’s also because our culture is really messed up as far as language goes. We say “lose weight” when we really mean “lose FAT”, and this gets people wrapped around the axle because they’re just hyper-focused on the scale number instead of bodycomp. It leads to running in sauna suits and grifters selling water loss products to trick people into thinking they’re achieving their fitness goals. And so, if a doctor calculates your BMI and says “You gotta lose some weight”, we interpret that to mean they’re saying “You gotta lose some fat”, and we flip out if we’re Mr. America. And yes, for gen pop, it makes FAR more sense to fat vs lean tissue, if given the choice, because one is far more advantageous to have than the other. But, for all of us, think about this: how many 240lb 80 year olds do you see? The truth is, if longevity is the goal, at one point, when the doc says “You gotta lose some weight”, it really IS a matter of just plain numbers.

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I’ve always struggled with this. I’m getting better with it.

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Women in particular really seem to struggle with this, and I feel like part of this is that women seem especially vicious to other women in regards to the number on the scale compared to the actual bodycomp.

If you ask a man “If you could look exactly how you want to look OR weigh exactly as much as you want to weigh, which would you choose?” Very few pick the latter. You ask most women “You can look exactly how you want to look OR weigh exactly how much you want to weight”, I’ve found many struggle. Or, more specifically, when addressing how lean tissue transforms physiques, ask them “Are you ok weighing 15lbs more if it means looking your best?”, it’s a struggle.

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I had a similar conversation with my son’s cross country coach about diet. My son was not showing progress in his racing and it took me a while to figure out that he wasn’t fuling properly. When I brought this up to the coach he said that diet is something very hard to discuss with teenagers because of how they view eating. Specifically in female athletes. He said that he asked one of his female runners why she thought she was doing so much better during summer running than she was in season. She told him that she ate more in the summer because her friends weren’t there to comment on how much she was eating. It’s really hard to deal with as a female because we are so hard on each other and we have such unrealistic expectations for our bodies. I’m just now at the age of (almost) 47 figuring out that I need to eat in order to fuel proper function. I just need to eat the right things and the rest kind of takes care of itself.

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Christ, I can’t even imagine trying to navigate being a high school athlete these days. I was so fortunate to grow up when I did. I know even among boys they’re running into issues where Instagram and TikTok are telling them that they need to be shredded year round and live off chicken and rice. These kids are in the prime of their lives athletically and we’re stunting their growth by not allowing them to fuel for performance. And that’s primarily because they ARE being broadcasted 24 hours a day, so the imperative to always be “photoshoot ready” is real.

All we can do is model good behavior and try to call out BS when we see it.

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How tall are you? According to the chart, you’re somewhere between 5’10" and 6’3" if 205 puts you in the overweight category. Also, I may have missed it but how old are you?

This ties into my question about your age because I agree. I’m 41 and weighing about 240 at 6’5" (maybe a smidge under). I want to get down to 225, but I think it would benefit me to go even lower as I go through my 50s and 60s. Mass can be deadly as we age whether it’s fat or muscle. It’s safe to say Arnold is living that example for us.

That’s the other half of their curriculum! Our classes are split into Health and PE. I only teach the Health classes twice a day so I can spend the other four classes in the weight room. I could phone it in, but I don’t want to be terrible at my job so I try to get some of the content to stick. I even make the kids fill out guided notes or answer a few short questions when we watch videos like the ‘Fed Up’ documentary.

When I taught the PE side in the gym, I still had plans and progressions for the units - like volleyball started with passing, setting, underhand serves and then we’d progress to games.

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I had my daughter in wrestling for a month and realize it’s best she just does mat club and train jiu jitsu. It’s waaaaay too much for girls to have to actually make a targeted weight at that age.

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