More Trouble Than I Am Worth: Chaos Is The Plan (T3hPwnisher Log)

OK, a few days ago I was really spun up because certain relatives had visited, and I was disgusted by someone’s lifestyle - on So. Many. Levels.
I’m not here to bitch about that person, but so many of these issues generalize to the American public I feel like it’s a pretty relevant thing to blog about, so thank you, @T3hPwnisher , for offering me a place to note this down and maybe start a conversation.

I’ll start off by venting about some behavior patterns and character traits, and physical issues, that I saw.

Then I’ll generalize to the thoughts it spawned about eating, nutrition, and activity in general.

(The venty part)
Elevators are easier than stairs.
Candy is easier than meat.
Sitting is easier than playing.
Absorbing social media is easier than engaging in deep thought and or discussion.
Making excuses is easier than admitting you have a problem.

But can you imagine meeting one person who LITERALLY chooses “Easy” in EVERY SINGLE MOMENT of their life? In the specific ways listed above, but also in every other way you care to think of?

This woman is dangerously obese. She is somewhat aware of it. And every single moment CHOOSES to continue on the path that got her here. AND to make it worse, CHOOSES to meet every moment with an excuse.
“I don’t like sand” vs “I don’t want to go to the beach, where I’ll feel ashamed of my body, and/or be expected to physically move around more than on the couch”.
Can’t get up from a chair on the beach without help? “My chair sank in the sand” rather than “I am not strong or determined enough to lift my own body off a chair that is lower than a couch”.
Can’t, or won’t, even attempt to perform a basic physical task? “My joints are too stiff” rather than “I can’t sit up straight with my legs fully extended, because I’m literally shaped like a Wall-E person so the fat on my belly and the fat on my legs prevent my hips from taking that position.”
Don’t want to go for a walk? “I don’t like the sun”, “I don’t like the cold”, “I don’t like the heat”, “I don’t want my neighbors to judge me”, “My balance isn’t good. That’s why I don’t like walking uphill” instead of “Yes let’s walk, it would be good for me”.
(Full disclosure, some intentional walking did occur. Just not nearly enough haha.)
“Kids, where does your mom keep the candy” instead of “I’m hungry. What healthy food do you have?”

And I have watched this happen for YEARS.

(The nutrition part)
Dan John and others talk about eating like an adult. Most adults, however, don’t.
There are two focus areas of adult eating: Quality and Quantity.
Frankly, you ONLY NEED ONE. (We here at T-nation focus on both, but we are self-selected exceptions with much more complicated nutritional needs. Let’s not muddy the waters.)

Quantity is simple. Pay attention to how much you’re eating, and if it’s too much, scale back. You could have cereal for breakfast, fettuccini alfredo for lunch, a cheeseburger for dinner, and be in relatively good shape physically - if your portion sizes are appropriate.

Quality is another lever entirely. Once you realize that a snickers bar won’t fill you up, it becomes pretty obvious that eating snickers to satiation is a poor choice when you could instead eat an enormous chicken salad.

As an adult eater, you may realize reducing portion sizes leaves you hungry, so it’s pretty easy to choose less calorie-dense food and dial up the portion sizes. How many cubic inches of plain white rice equates to a bowl of ice cream?

“Dead food”, “The perimeter of the grocery store”, and many other discussions here have gone into this in much more detail than I ever could.

An adult can eat ice cream. An adult does not eat ice cream daily, and an adult who realizes they are obese avoids it entirely.

I’ve run out of steam and will stop now. Didn’t get as many nutritional thoughts out as I had intended to, and who the hell am I talking to anyway. But it’s shocking and disappointing the degree to which people will just eat garbage, day in day out, seemingly unaware of, or unconcerned by, the consequences.

And clean eating can go to some extreme levels, especially here on T-nation, but even for the general public - come on.

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@jdm135 I love so much in that rant! “Get to yes” is a motto I live by, and these “life deniers” (to steal from Nietzsche) are like little positivity parasites. They can undo so much good will. And you raise a very profound observation: these people are miserable 99% of their lives: they only experience joy during the 1% they eat the candy. Contrast that to how, if you spend maybe 10% of your life being miserable with eating and training, you get to feel awesome 90% of the time. The trade-off seems like a total no brainer.

Please come by and finish up the rant sometime!


Hey, my video DID eventually upload

Did some creativity there @alex_uk my fellow home gym DCer.

Also, proud of what I whipped up for dinner out of some leftovers.

Turkey breast burgers on chaffle buns with Jarlsburg swiss, grassfed sour cream and just a hint of avocado mayo (don’t tell the carnivore cops). I threw it together in 10 minutes in between getting home from work later and having to turn right around to take my kid to a school function. Really just no excuses.

And featuring some Duck Fat Spray in the background. Gotta rep Nebraska

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I can’t agree enough. It’s why I both love and hate Wendlers advice of “don’t eat like an asshole.” On the one hand, that really is just about all the nutritional advice you need to have. On the other, dear god do people take that information and run wild. “Wendler said not to eat like an asshole, so I’m having McDoubles for breakfast lunch and dinner.”

As for the rest, I think a lot of this ties back to what @T3hPwnisher said in an earlier post, always take physical pain over mental. I’ve lost count of my broken bones, got to a first name basis with my knee surgeon, and make creeky noises when I move like the tin man without enough oil lol. But god damn did I send it on every sport or adventure I ever put myself to, and it was worth every minute. Far better to develop some pain tolerance and know you made the right choice, than to live with the regret of both 1) never having experienced the highs of success and 2) knowing you aren’t the person you could of been had you made better choices.

On a slightly different note, I will give mad props to people who know they got out of shape, and just refuse to hold the group back. My gfs dad is a good example actually. Retired fire chief, big old guy. But when we went to the zoo with his grandkids? This dude was down for whatever. 100% would have gone into cardiac arrest before letting a grandkid out waddle him. Was he tired? Oh hell yeah. But he was the first to say it’s his own fault and not to stop for him. IMO, that’s the right way to be a fat guy lol

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I will 100% choose the Snickers 100% of the time…

(But that may be because I’ve never seen a chicken salad that doesn’t have a copious amount of dressing.)

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“To satiation” being a key phrase.
If a single snickers satiates you, continue as you are doing great.
For many of us, a single snickers is a drop in the bucket!

The caloric density of dressing is another important topic. And something most “adults” dont/won’t recognize. But even a high cal salad would work wonders for someone i know if it were substituted for a bucket of iced cream.

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To say nothing of the insulinogenic roller coaster ride of snickers or ice cream vs some real single ingredient food. Junk food is engineered to make you HUNGRY after you eat it: how messed up is that? Haha

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It’s amazing how we can totally miss the forest for the trees here, but I am ALSO guilty of this too. I remember my first run of Deep Water, going to McDonalds, getting 2 double quarter pounders, throwing away the bun and thinking “Hell yeah: Deep Water nutrition!” Went back, re-read the book and noticed Jon said to eat organic, grassfed beef for healthy fats…doh!

Glad you dug my perspective on mental vs physical. It’s too true. I can put a knee wrap on a torn hamstring and still do some squatting. Definitely can’t get away with that with my head…not for long or for good.

Hell yeah! I am so big on that. Own your decisions: good or not. And the consequences that go with it. Hell, tomorrow, I’m going to run 10 miles with NO prep. My wife always asks “How are you doing?” when we do the run. I always say the same thing: “I’m in a lot of pain”

“Do you wanna slow down?”

“No: then it will take longer!”

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One of the best things I ever did for running was Tactical Barbells base building, and this was 100% the reason. I was never able to do a true zone 2 run for distance, because I loathe running. If you tell me to run 5 miles zone 2, I will end up pushing far harder than I should, because I want to be done. But tell me I have to run for 60 minutes regardless of distance? Well now I’m more than happy to keep the pace easier lol

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@Andrewgen_Receptors you once had a popular thread titled “do fat people piss you off a little”. For my answer to that question scroll up a few posts!

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Oh I know. I have eaten snickers to satiation. Several of them.

It is absolutely amazing hiking fuel. Compact, high calorie. Those and McDonald’s breakfast burritos.

For any normal use, I don’t really know. Chicken, iceberg/romaine lettuce and ranch seems equally bad.

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One of these things is not like the other…haha

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That’s fair, but I’ve rarely seen a chicken salad that wasn’t heavily bacon/ranch or blue cheese or some other high calorie, low nutrition ingredient to make it go down.

I feel like the whole “that sounds like a YOU” thing, haha.

But I was actually meaning chicken is not like iceberg or ranch

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You’re crushing it man! That second time around with a fresh perspective and a lot more experience really makes DC a whole different monster! You can see why Dante recommends this training only for the very advanced because it definitely pays to have spent some ample time under the bar and know what your 3 “money movements” are. It’s about training economy (something Wendler is also huge on) and having an understanding of how to get yourself to that next level by the time you hit that lift again! The high frequency is also a breath of fresh air in a Bodybuilding program! I love a bro split and just demolishing a muscle like I do with Mountain Dog training, but I also love high frequency and planning my training and recovery knowing I’ll be hitting that same body part in a day or two rather than in a week.

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Have you ever read the ‘Goon’ series by Eroc Powell (a comic although not super hero themed)?

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Lots of replies to get to, but I have 10 miles to run.

What do we eat for breakfast for that?

Cooked to perfection

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Good luck today! (By which I probably mean something more like “don’t get hurt” than “crush your adversaries.”) (But if you can, CRUSH THEM!)

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Fantastic effort, arms are looking absolutely phenomenal on those curls.

Watching the squats, two things, 1st I’ve got half way through the podcast you tagged me in, one of the presenters (listened audio only so not sure who) talks about un-racking the squat with no intention of re-racking it, awesome to see that in action here, 2nd - it occurs to me that banding up the squat might be worth me stealing, a way to absolutely get to failure on a squat that gives the least resistance at the most compromised position, my back might just be ok with that.

You’re a constant source of good (bad) ideas, my goal for next B session is to not rack the bar on the widow maker. Thanks Pwn, I’m sure I’ll be cursing you in a day or two.

Great podcast by the way.

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It’s been a good morning

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Alrighty, some responses

@atlas13 Tactical Barbell really seems like the most reasonable program ever written. Dude has it so figured out: make the strength strength work, making the conditioning, make the cardio cardio…it’s up to US to actually listen, haha. One of the most valuable things I’ve learned recently is that if I’m NOT always in fight or flight mode, I can recover and grow so much more.

@davemccright Dude, your comment means SO much to me. Getting “the nod” from you is a sure sign I’m moving in the right direction. That time under the bar is super invaluable for just the reasons you noted: I KNOW what that other gear feels like and how to get there. And I know when I DIDN’T do it too. Or how many times I can do it in a training session. I’ll mail in the calves, because they’re not a priority, but I’ll die on those squats.

@Koestrizer Geez, you know, I’ve heard that name but haven’t taken the time yet. You recommend it?

@EmilyQ I read that RIGHT before I headed out for the run, and it stayed in my head the whole time. Thank you! I always appreciate the maternal part of you that comes out for me and others here, and always look to do you proud.

@alex_uk Hell yeah brother! That was Jon Andersen that was talking about that: a story he’s relayed so many times that just resonates with me so much. It means the world to me for you to equate me with him. And yeah, it’s one of the “joys” of that sort of set-up: you can just push it until it breaks. And you break WEIRD on a set of those squats with the bands. Unlike the usual “if I just rest enough I can get in one more rep” thing with squats, whenever you “rest” with the bands, the whole WORLD is crushing you, haha. It’s just exhausting.

Hope that pans out well for you if you use it. Chains WITH bands can get even nuttier. There’s a LOT to steal from Westside as it relates to DoggCrapp: I really feel like they’re cut from the same cloth.


That 10 mile run went the best it’s been in the 3 years I’ve been running it. I did absolutely ZERO prep for it and felt the best I had. It took until about mile 4 for me to find my groove, but I didn’t feel bad up until that point: just “aware” that I was running. After that, it became effortless. Got to talk with my wife the entire time, so we kept a comfortable conversational pace, and when it was done I felt like I coulda gutted out the rest of the distance to get in a half marathon.

The steak and eggs absolutely hit the spot. That steak came from my wife’s family’s farm in Iowa, and goddamn, whatever they’re doing with those cows, they’re doing it right, because it’s delicious. I actually air fried it this morning, since it was faster than grilling, which I’ve never done with a “good” steak, since it seemed like a waste but it actually turned out really yummy with some Duck Fat Spray and some Redmon’s salt. Felt awesome having it in me for the distance.

Of course, NOW, about 2 hours later, I am an absolute Tin Man walking wreck, haha, but as Dan John pointed out, you either spend time prepping before the race or spend time recovering afterwards, but either way you spend time.

Off to eat all the meat in the world for the rest of the day. Looking like some Culver’s for lunch and our favorite BBQ place for dinner.

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