A conclusion that is another than yours is not inevitably the opposite. There could be a myriad of reasons why a common muslim wont oppose those actions that are deplorable for you. It could be a totally novel question for them. It could have something to do with your country’s past actions in the region. It could be something with their discontentment with their job or current apartment. They dont necessarily think about you or your familys struggles.
Most all those reasons you listed would be good rationale for continuing to blame all Muslims for the violence of a few. And maybe you are right and most don’t care and that is also a good reason for the US to not care that they are being singled out as evil.[/quote]
No, those reasons point out, that you can’t measure complex phenomena from one single vantage point without severily twisting things. You really like your hammer, don’t you.
[quote]You dorks from other “neutral” countries feel so smug in blaming the US for the actions of Muslims because you have never taken a stand for anything in your entire pathetic existence. I guess that is because your countries are of little value, or have nothing of value that anyone else might want. But if they ever did it is likely that you would be easy pickens for any country that had a pair! And then you would come crying to the US, like the rest of the world, to save you.
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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Blaming an entire people is valid when those people NEVER stand up and denounce the criminal behavior of the few. What they allow they condone!
And until you realize that quiet acceptance is just the same as those doing the bombing, you will also remain clueless.
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I take it that you did some extensive research on the matter to conclude that they NEVER denounce the criminal behavior of the few. Quit watching Fox, subscribe to a European, Asian or Latin American paper, go out once in a while and talk to real people on the Arab street.
Should Iraqis hold US citizens responsible for the bombings inflicted upon them by your military? By your logic, attacks on innocent American civilians is justifiable.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Slander? On an internet forum? Is this some sort of Sharia Law for the web? You are adding fuel to my argument that Muslims have a mindset and worldview that most westerners would regard as … nuts. Wait, let’s make it Nuts, with a capital N!![/quote]
Believe it or not, some people hang out on Internet forum to have serious discussions and expect a certain level of civility.
Such concepts are alien to people who use terms like “Nuts” indisciminately.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Slander? On an internet forum? Is this some sort of Sharia Law for the web? You are adding fuel to my argument that Muslims have a mindset and worldview that most westerners would regard as … nuts. Wait, let’s make it Nuts, with a capital N!!
Believe it or not, some people hang out on Internet forum to have serious discussions and expect a certain level of civility.
Such concepts are alien to people who use terms like “Nuts” indisciminately.
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Not being civil on a Politics Forum is not the same as slandering someone. Laughable. Sharia Insanity…
Go down into Karachi once in a while. The air in those high mountains on the Pak/Afghan border is affecting you.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Not being civil on a Politics Forum is not the same as slandering someone. Laughable.[/quote]
Slander: n. When A false tale or report maliciously uttered, tending to injure the reputation of another; the malicious utterance of defamatory reports; the dissemination of malicious tales or suggestions to the injury of another. [1913 Webster]
Lorisco claimed that I support terrorism without a shred of evidence. By any interpretation, this is slander.
???
Surely the air in high mountains is healthier than that of a town.
Then again, very few people around here understand your logic. For a math teacher, it’s quite sad…
Should Iraqis hold US citizens responsible for the bombings inflicted upon them by your military? By your logic, attacks on innocent American civilians is justifiable.
You have a sick logic…[/quote]
Stop with your bullshit. The US military goes out of its way to not inflict civilian casualties. The bad guys go out of their way to kill civilians.
A conclusion that is another than yours is not inevitably the opposite. There could be a myriad of reasons why a common muslim wont oppose those actions that are deplorable for you. It could be a totally novel question for them. It could have something to do with your country’s past actions in the region. It could be something with their discontentment with their job or current apartment. They dont necessarily think about you or your familys struggles.
Most all those reasons you listed would be good rationale for continuing to blame all Muslims for the violence of a few. And maybe you are right and most don’t care and that is also a good reason for the US to not care that they are being singled out as evil.
No, those reasons point out, that you can’t measure complex phenomena from one single vantage point without severily twisting things. You really like your hammer, don’t you.
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And while innocent people keep being murdered by terrorists karva sits back and states that the issue is too complex to be measured from one vantage point! That’s brilliant Bro! How many vantage points do you need to figure out that an innocent person is dead at the hands of a terrorist?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Blaming an entire people is valid when those people NEVER stand up and denounce the criminal behavior of the few. What they allow they condone!
And until you realize that quiet acceptance is just the same as those doing the bombing, you will also remain clueless.
I take it that you did some extensive research on the matter to conclude that they NEVER denounce the criminal behavior of the few. Quit watching Fox, subscribe to a European, Asian or Latin American paper, go out once in a while and talk to real people on the Arab street.
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I have yet to see a major news article or Network News cast on a MAJOR Muslim figure coming against the Muslim violence. If you have proof that this has occurred, please post proof or STFU!
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Should Iraqis hold US citizens responsible for the bombings inflicted upon them by your military? By your logic, attacks on innocent American civilians is justifiable.
You have a sick logic…[/quote]
The Iraq people are being killed by suicide bombers from their own people. The US does not target civilians like the terrorists’ do. They go out of their way to protect them.
No, those reasons point out, that you can’t measure complex phenomena from one single vantage point without severily twisting things. You really like your hammer, don’t you.
And while innocent people keep being murdered by terrorists karva sits back and states that the issue is too complex to be measured from one vantage point! That’s brilliant Bro! How many vantage points do you need to figure out that an innocent person is dead at the hands of a terrorist?[/quote]
The question was about shared quilt you see hanging on all muslims, not wether innocent people have died at the hands of muslim terrorists. That is what I criticize. It is a stupid and childish thing to say. You also said to lixy, that if he disagrees with you then he must support muslim terrorism. That is another stupid thing to say. I’ve seen, that he is eager to blaim USA politics, but that is not synonymous to supporting terrorism.
EDIT: Would you consider this to be an act of condemning terrorism?
Back to the original title of the post…seriously, what is the rational behind the car swarms the Palestinian?s take part in when one of the terrorist leaders gets whacked? Is there some religious significance to grabbing body parts or is it just overwhelming anger?
[quote]rugbyhit wrote:
Back to the original title of the post…seriously, what is the rational behind the car swarms the Palestinian?s take part in when one of the terrorist leaders gets whacked? Is there some religious significance to grabbing body parts or is it just overwhelming anger?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
rugbyhit wrote:
Back to the original title of the post…seriously, what is the rational behind the car swarms the Palestinian?s take part in when one of the terrorist leaders gets whacked? Is there some religious significance to grabbing body parts or is it just overwhelming anger?
That is messed up. There are some serious problems in that culture and it has nothing to do with us.[/quote]
The Palestinians have been using those international aid dollars for rockets rather than fixing their sewage system. In retrospect, that might not have been the best choice.
No, those reasons point out, that you can’t measure complex phenomena from one single vantage point without severily twisting things. You really like your hammer, don’t you.
And while innocent people keep being murdered by terrorists karva sits back and states that the issue is too complex to be measured from one vantage point! That’s brilliant Bro! How many vantage points do you need to figure out that an innocent person is dead at the hands of a terrorist?
The question was about shared quilt you see hanging on all muslims, not wether innocent people have died at the hands of muslim terrorists. That is what I criticize. It is a stupid and childish thing to say. You also said to lixy, that if he disagrees with you then he must support muslim terrorism. That is another stupid thing to say. I’ve seen, that he is eager to blaim USA politics, but that is not synonymous to supporting terrorism.
EDIT: Would you consider this to be an act of condemning terrorism?
If you or lixy blame terrorist actions on the USA politics then I will continue to say that you support terrorism. No one makes anyone do anything short of gunpoint. The terrorist are solely responsible for their actions, period! So if we are in agreement on that point I will not lump you in with Lixy.
As for blaming all Muslims, I still believe what they don’t speak out against they condone. All they need to do is have a major figure come out denouncing the violence; I have yet to see that occur. And contrary to your previous post, that is NOT a complex issue. Either they support the terrorist’s actions or they do not.
No, those reasons point out, that you can’t measure complex phenomena from one single vantage point without severily twisting things. You really like your hammer, don’t you.
And while innocent people keep being murdered by terrorists karva sits back and states that the issue is too complex to be measured from one vantage point! That’s brilliant Bro! How many vantage points do you need to figure out that an innocent person is dead at the hands of a terrorist?
The question was about shared quilt you see hanging on all muslims, not wether innocent people have died at the hands of muslim terrorists. That is what I criticize. It is a stupid and childish thing to say. You also said to lixy, that if he disagrees with you then he must support muslim terrorism. That is another stupid thing to say. I’ve seen, that he is eager to blaim USA politics, but that is not synonymous to supporting terrorism.
EDIT: Would you consider this to be an act of condemning terrorism?
If you or lixy blame terrorist actions on the USA politics then I will continue to say that you support terrorism. No one makes anyone do anything short of gunpoint. The terrorist are solely responsible for their actions, period! So if we are in agreement on that point I will not lump you in with Lixy.
As for blaming all Muslims, I still believe what they don’t speak out against they condone. All they need to do is have a major figure come out denouncing the violence; I have yet to see that occur. And contrary to your previous post, that is NOT a complex issue. Either they support the terrorist’s actions or they do not.
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Arabs Rebuff Ban’s Plan To Aid Darfur:
Looks like when a certain demographic is concerned, muslims are rather indifferent.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
That is messed up. There are some serious problems in that culture and it has nothing to do with us.[/quote]
Ok. So you’re the only ones to understand that and the rest of the world is under heavy propaganda.
What’s striking is that a substantial portion of US citizens believe that their country’s foreign policy is to blame for lots of things. Go ask people of Latin America about what how much wreckage your policies have caused in the region.
Illuminate me as to why there’s little trouble in the rest of the Arab world besides the regions occupied by Israel and the US.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
That is messed up. There are some serious problems in that culture and it has nothing to do with us.
Ok. So you’re the only ones to understand that and the rest of the world is under heavy propaganda.
What’s striking is that a substantial portion of US citizens believe that their country’s foreign policy is to blame for lots of things. Go ask people of Latin America about what how much wreckage your policies have caused in the region.
Illuminate me as to why there’s little trouble in the rest of the Arab world besides the regions occupied by Israel and the US. [/quote]
Lixy,
You were supposed to go to Darfur for your summer break. I’m sure we’ll all get a report on how all the atrocities committed by muslims Janjaweed, etc., is the fault of US policy. Could you spend a little time in Kashmir as well? I’d love to hear how muslims have nothing to do with the misery that they inflict on the population in that part of the world.
No, those reasons point out, that you can’t measure complex phenomena from one single vantage point without severily twisting things. You really like your hammer, don’t you.
And while innocent people keep being murdered by terrorists karva sits back and states that the issue is too complex to be measured from one vantage point! That’s brilliant Bro! How many vantage points do you need to figure out that an innocent person is dead at the hands of a terrorist?
The question was about shared quilt you see hanging on all muslims, not wether innocent people have died at the hands of muslim terrorists. That is what I criticize. It is a stupid and childish thing to say. You also said to lixy, that if he disagrees with you then he must support muslim terrorism. That is another stupid thing to say. I’ve seen, that he is eager to blaim USA politics, but that is not synonymous to supporting terrorism.
EDIT: Would you consider this to be an act of condemning terrorism?
If you or lixy blame terrorist actions on the USA politics then I will continue to say that you support terrorism. No one makes anyone do anything short of gunpoint. The terrorist are solely responsible for their actions, period! So if we are in agreement on that point I will not lump you in with Lixy.
As for blaming all Muslims, I still believe what they don’t speak out against they condone. All they need to do is have a major figure come out denouncing the violence; I have yet to see that occur. And contrary to your previous post, that is NOT a complex issue. Either they support the terrorist’s actions or they do not.
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Everyone is responsible for their own actions, no matter what’s the cause or motivation. That’s where our agreement ends, I think.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
That is messed up. There are some serious problems in that culture and it has nothing to do with us.
Ok. So you’re the only ones to understand that and the rest of the world is under heavy propaganda.
What’s striking is that a substantial portion of US citizens believe that their country’s foreign policy is to blame for lots of things. Go ask people of Latin America about what how much wreckage your policies have caused in the region.
Illuminate me as to why there’s little trouble in the rest of the Arab world besides the regions occupied by Israel and the US. [/quote]
I have taught middle eastern (arabic) students in the past and while a select few were hard working and fine young people, the majority seemed to have a ‘what can I get away with’ attitude, way more pronounced than any other group. I attribute this to, until recently, their families living under despots.
So, people living under despots have IMO been driven insane and made docile by the despotic systems in place in Arab lands. Therefore, Lixy, you should support the efforts of the USA (the most moral country on earth) to liberate your fellow Muslims.