Generally people take more test than nandrolone, but then some are taking nandrolone only. I have more nandrolone than test so I am considering taking a around 125mg test per week with 250mg nandrolone per week for my next cycle. What are the potential issues when doing this? If there are issues then I will consider 250mg of each.
I suppose this is true today.
My experience was a little different for 2 decades starting 1977. I took 200mg/wk testosterone cypionate and 200mg/wk Deca-Durabolin. I always ran an oral AAS (either Dianabol, Anavar, or Winstrol) at about 20mg/day. I usually ran 8 week cycles, with about 6 weeks āoff cycle.ā I didnāt have side effects.
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Test higher than nandrolone seems to be the accepted rule of thumb in most circles. I think the main factor is to avoid deca dick. That being said, nobody really knows or has proved how deca dick arises. The usual āculpritsā is an imbalance of estrogen, prolactin, serotonin and dopamine levelsā¦ In the end itās all guesswork and each response is individual.
I personally keep my test around TRT levels or slightly above with higher doses of nandrolone. I let nandrolone take over as the main anabolic and havenāt had any issues so far. Iām talking about a ratio of 1:2 or even 1:3 test to nand.
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As @RT_Nomad mentioned, the ātest is bestā approach to AAS course design is fairly new. I suspect that itās for three reasons:
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Itās the cheapest anabolic. So bodybuilders using crazy doses (like in the 3-5g/week or more) use more test to make their course more affordable. Then ānormal usersā (if there is such a thing) apply the same ratios but with lesser doses thinking that having more test is better (itās not, itās just less expensive)
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They reason that steroids inhibit testosterone production and as such you need to give the body testosterone to keep feeling good (which is true). But they push that logic to think that if you take more āotherā steroids you need to take in more test to feel good. But thatās not always the case (it rarely is). The goal of testosterone in a course should be, IMHO, to compensate for the loss of natural test production. So you donāt need huge doses, you only have to use enough to keep your test levels in the upper/normal range while relying on the other steroids to maximize growth. Now, ONE exception in which you do need a bit more test is if you are using a good amount of masteron, drostanolone enanthate (longer acting masteron) and maybe even equipoise. The reason is that those steroids lower estrogen. And contrary to what many people think you DO NOT want to lower estrogen unless itās too high (e.g. gyno). Tanking your estrogen will kill your libido and make your lipid profile go to hell (which is why women are at a much lower risk of cardiac issues, until they hit menopause).
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They believe that because testosterone is a bioidentical hormone (the same as a hormone naturally found in the body) it is a safer AAS. Thatās not true. Sure, it has less negative impact on the liver and lipid profile, but it is one of the worse for high blood pressure and prostate elargement. The high blood pressure can itself lead to kidney issues.
Back in the 70s and 80s (even early 90s), testosterone was actually frowned upon in bodybuilding circles. Very few competitors or serious bodybuilder used testosterone AT ALL. And those who did, only used small amounts.
The typical courses were nandrolone (deca) and dianabol (which is what most people used) or primobolan and dianabol. European or well connected bodybuilders would often throw in parabolan (long acting trenbolone) and they would often switch from dianabol to winstrol during contest prep.
But test was not an often used product.
Really you donāt need to have test higher than other products.
It is a smarter approach to keep test fairly low, and use it not as a main driver of growth but to keep your testosterone levels up when your natural production in inhibited. And use other anabolics to drive your gains. Which anabolic you use should depend on what you need to improve and the kind of look that you want.
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That is actually a smart approach
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This is the exact reasoning that I used. We knew that Dianabol, Deca, etc. suppressed testosterone production, so we needed to get our testosterone āback to normal.ā
I can verify this! I began dappling in AAS is the late 90s and even then a lot of guys in our local gym considered Testosterone to be more ādangerousā than deca, dbol, anadrol etc.
Thanks for that, I saw a thread of someone who tried different ratios and appeared to report on some sexual issues around 1:7 or 1:8, and I think he tested up to 1:9, I canāt remember how much test he was taking though so itās possible that the issue was a decrease in test, if he did decrease it.
Thanks for that breakdown. Previously I took just 250mg test per week with a few weeks of turinabol in there but decided to take a break. I got a really good offer on nandrolone making it significantly cheaper than test so that is why I am considering doing more nandrolone than test. Iāll try it and adjust if there are any sides. On a side note, I believe that nandrolone is also bioidentical, but only in trace amounts.
Another question I am wondering about is if it is really worth mixing the compounds in a syringe, as I could take the test on Mondays and the Nandrolone on Thursdays for example. After a couple of weeks the levels would even out anyway, I think.
If your testosterone in an enanthate (or cypionate) ester thatās perfectly fine to do. I mean, even if the levels were not following the same curve exactly it doesnāt matter at all.
Yes I have enanthate. Thanks
I ran 100 test 600 deca and my only sexual disfunction was difficulty ejaculating.
The mental sides did me in, but i imagine 250mg a week would not produce the same mental sides that 600mg/wk would.
Youāll have to test it and find out how you respond.
What were your mental sides?
Redditās /steroids can give you good insight into experiences beyond my own. I would look there.
What symptoms or issues were you combating when you designed this protocol
How do you feel
No matter the dose I hated decaā¦
Seriously I did way better on high tren than deca, it affects me somehow that I feel depressed and unmotivated. Opposite of what Testosterone does. +1 for Test is best.
On deca only, or with test? I think mental side effects are a common problem probably with low dht. Either way Iāll try it out and adjust as needed
Whatās the answer? Add proviron or mast
In my experience deca is only problematic in that it makes test sides worse. So if my e2 is good at the test Iām taking deca wonāt have a bad effect in terms of estrogen. If Iām already having high e2 sides the deca will make them worse.
For instance, 500 test and 300 deca gave me e2 issues. 250 test and 600 deca or even 250 test, 600 EQ and 600 deca was great
If you have and problems with depression or lack of drive, just add some mast or proviron.
Thanks for that. Testosterone actually gives me quite a bit of drive and improved mood. I assume masteron and proviron be even better in this regard. Might they also lessen the need to take something like aromasin regularly?