[quote]T-FireMan wrote:
Djwlfpack wrote:
T-FireMan wrote:
Djwlfpack wrote:
I know there’s varying opinions on this, but at least from my experience, doing jogging has no carryover affect to MMA. You’d be better off doing anaerobic conditioning during that time…it translates better to MMA.
So you feel a session of sprints or something like that would be better than runiiing a mile or so?
Yep. Jogging just doesn’t do anything for you in terms of building up your stamina for MMA. You need to train in short, intense bursts, as they more accurately simulate what takes place when you train/fight MMA.
just figured the running would build up my cardio endurance and then later on i could work on the intensity of it.
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I thought so, too, when I started. I would do 3-mile runs a few times a week and I still would get winded very early into class. As soon as I changed to anaerobic conditioning, I noticed a difference.
[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
T-FireMan wrote:
Djwlfpack wrote:
T-FireMan wrote:
Djwlfpack wrote:
I know there’s varying opinions on this, but at least from my experience, doing jogging has no carryover affect to MMA. You’d be better off doing anaerobic conditioning during that time…it translates better to MMA.
So you feel a session of sprints or something like that would be better than runiiing a mile or so?
Yep. Jogging just doesn’t do anything for you in terms of building up your stamina for MMA. You need to train in short, intense bursts, as they more accurately simulate what takes place when you train/fight MMA.
just figured the running would build up my cardio endurance and then later on i could work on the intensity of it.
I thought so, too, when I started. I would do 3-mile runs a few times a week and I still would get winded very early into class. As soon as I changed to anaerobic conditioning, I noticed a difference.[/quote]
Hey guys,
I scanned through your thread, seems like it has a pretty good following and some good discussions.
I was never big into aerobic conditioning (I am after all a powerlifter as well as a fighter). Most of my conditioning comes in the form of rolling and GPP work like tire flips, sled push/pull and circuts. Alot of guys I train with still do long runs for conditioning, but I honestly believe short burst, high intensity is the way to go.
For some reason the LSD myth just will not die. Despite what Ross, Defranco, Cos and some many other trainers have pointed out people stubborning cling to the belief that it helps anaerobic recovery, is a base to start from and some other crap I can’t think of off hand.
Never mind the fact you don’t jog anywhere in a mma match, that the rest interval in interval training conditions the body for interval/ anaerobic recovery (imagine that) and that thousands upon thousands of kids and adults start football, basketball, wrestling etc, pre-seasons and nowhere will you see a 320lb lineman jogging to get his base up.
[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
No training today, just wanted to stop in and wish everyone a Merry Christmas.
Enjoy the time off, heal up from whatever bumps and bruises you might have, and be ready to tear it up when your gym re-opens.
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Late Merry X-Mas fellas I was on shift. Thank God people don’t complain much or set fires on holidays, lol, so we weren’t too busy. Gonna try to hit my gym later and get in a class to make up for Tuesday’s.
Good thread here Djwlfpack, I’ve been following it right from the beginning, and I’ve already “stolen” some of the ideas posted on here. I just wanted to add a different perspective to the running/sprinting debate.
Try to keep an open mind when developing a training program, you have to try something out before you write it off based on someone else’s opinion. There’s alot of experts out there who give advice based on training athletes in other sports, but fighting is very different. What looks good on paper doesn’t always translate well into the ring/cage.
That said, personally, I don’t like longer runs but I do them because my kick-boxing coach told me to. Just once or twice a week, and it’s helped me. I wear a weighted vest and run some of the local mountain-bike trails and logging roads. And I have a day where I do sprints (which I like) too.
[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
Good thread here Djwlfpack, I’ve been following it right from the beginning, and I’ve already “stolen” some of the ideas posted on here. I just wanted to add a different perspective to the running/sprinting debate.
Try to keep an open mind when developing a training program, you have to try something out before you write it off based on someone else’s opinion. There’s alot of experts out there who give advice based on training athletes in other sports, but fighting is very different. What looks good on paper doesn’t always translate well into the ring/cage.
That said, personally, I don’t like longer runs but I do them because my kick-boxing coach told me to. Just once or twice a week, and it’s helped me. I wear a weighted vest and run some of the local mountain-bike trails and logging roads. And I have a day where I do sprints (which I like) too. [/quote]
Jelly Roll,
Thanks for posting, and for the kind words about the thread.
I’m right with you on keeping an open mind. I’m not 100 percent against distance running. In fact, I do some longer runs from time-to-time just to change things up. I think distance runs, while they may not help the “gas tank” in a fight, I do believe that they can be beneficial mentally in terms of learning to push yourself through barriers you put up.
I train mixed martial arts and I wrestle for my high school; but an unfortunate thing happened at a grappling tournament i was competeing in. I got my nose kicked and it was later found out i broke it. I’m out for 8 weeks from everything. I don’t go back till Feb. I still lift; of course.
One Arm Dumbell Bench- 4x8 (light because of rotator cuff)
Pullups- 4x6 (slowly, see above)
Front Squats- 3x6
One leg Deadlifts- 3x8 BW
Situps- 3x4 +35
Wrist roller- 3x3 5 lbs.
[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
Good thread here Djwlfpack, I’ve been following it right from the beginning, and I’ve already “stolen” some of the ideas posted on here. I just wanted to add a different perspective to the running/sprinting debate.
Try to keep an open mind when developing a training program, you have to try something out before you write it off based on someone else’s opinion. There’s alot of experts out there who give advice based on training athletes in other sports, but fighting is very different. What looks good on paper doesn’t always translate well into the ring/cage.
That said, personally, I don’t like longer runs but I do them because my kick-boxing coach told me to. Just once or twice a week, and it’s helped me. I wear a weighted vest and run some of the local mountain-bike trails and logging roads. And I have a day where I do sprints (which I like) too. [/quote]
I use to use a vest and run flights of stairs with it before I got on the department that’s one of the best workouts you can get. Where did you get your vest, the website I found sells them for $300 and thats a lot of money to carry around extra weight.
No BJJ today. CO is getting hit with another snowstorm, so classes were cancelled, as we’ve got over a foot of snow on ground from today’s and Tuesday’s accumulation. Kind of sucks, but on the plus side, I’ve been able to rest up and heal the bumps and bruises.
Anyone check on this month’s Men’s Fitness mag? It’s got Hughes and Serra on the cover. There’s a good article by Zach Evan-Esh that lays out a training program for people who train MMA. It’s based around 2 strength workouts and 1 endurance workout. One of the better routines I’ve seen in terms of training for MMA.
Zach Evan-Esh seems to be really one of those guys who gets “it”. When I read his programs I go “wow, yeah that makes sense”. I’ll have to read this at the drug store or something. I get my fitness mag reading while waiting for script fills.
I read the article as well my wife bought the mag for me. Good articles on both fighters and their training, and the routine at the end looks good. Might give it a shot after I’ve been training a little longer. It’s still taking me a while to recover from sessions, this tonight is the first class of my 3rd week.
[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
Jelly Roll,
Thanks for posting, and for the kind words about the thread.
I’m right with you on keeping an open mind. I’m not 100 percent against distance running. In fact, I do some longer runs from time-to-time just to change things up. I think distance runs, while they may not help the “gas tank” in a fight, I do believe that they can be beneficial mentally in terms of learning to push yourself through barriers you put up.
What type of training (MA) do you do?[/quote]
I’m a judo/sombo guy that got into kick-boxing and then MMA. The judo club I train with is old-school kosen judo, so we get alot of wrestlers, jujitsu and MMA fighters who like to come out and train with us, so I got started in it with some of the fighters who’d invite me to come and “cross-train” with them. Right now I’m training and coaching at a kick-boxing/pancrase club 2x a week and training judo 2x a week as well. It’s fun and it keeps me out of trouble, plus I’ve made some great friends along the way.
I still compete in judo and sometimes fight in pancration and grappling tournaments.
[quote]T-FireMan wrote:
I use to use a vest and run flights of stairs with it before I got on the department that’s one of the best workouts you can get. Where did you get your vest, the website I found sells them for $300 and thats a lot of money to carry around extra weight.
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I made my own precisely because of the cost of those vests. I welded up 50 lbs. of heavy chain into a “vest” and it works just as good as my training partner’s expensive one. I just wear a heavy sweater under it and strap it tight with a couple of those nylon-buckle-strap-things. Plus, it makes me feel more macho-hard-core, lol…
Lifted yesterday, trying to pack as much in because of the break in my classes.
Standing Military- 4x12 with the bar only
(first time OH pressing since I hurt it)
Bent Over Rows- 3x5
Deadlifts- 2x2 255
Jump squats- 4x10
Hammer Curls- 4x6
Tricep Ext.- 4x6, careful again because of the shoulder.
My range of motion of the shoulder is not very good, I’m trying every rotator exercise I can think of, including ice all the time.
I know the curls in there every time are bitchy, but my arms shrunk since I stopped lifting all the time and it’s been fuckin killin me. Ha, still vain, even when I have a purpose, huh?
Fighten Irish,
If you’er having shoulder problems and need a tricep exercise you can try dumbell kick backs with your chest and shoulder supported by laying across a bench. I know kickbacks are wussy but this will allow you some work with no shoulder involvement.
No training (again) today. This time work got in the way, as I had to miss this morning’s muay Thai class to put together next week’s paper. It’s nice that I get a 3-day weekend (we’re a weekly), but I wish I could’ve gotten to class today.
I’ll be going out to watch UFC 79 tonight. Looking forward to it and I know it’ll light a fire under me when I get back into working out next week.