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Early class, Relentless’ level 3/4. Worked the Thai pads w/ combinations 1-4, while defending against 360 attacks & kicks by the pad holder. Then we worked a new bear hug defense & sparred. He started working us in
sparring the way we’ll do it for the test next month. 2 minutes sparring, 1 minute jumping squats or clapping pushups, endless rounds.

An issue I’m having: even though our warmups are pretty rough, I am still clumsy, slow and timid for the first part of class. Its not until about halfway through the first hour that everything starts to flow smoothly & any form of useful aggression starts to kick in. I need to shorten this time period as much as possible. Is it just mental? I don’t know. I’m thinking that if I come in a little early & work the heavy bag before class it may get my head & body in sync & ready to go faster. If anybody has any ideas, I’d love to hear them.

2nd hour I took a new yoga class they’ve added. It has a very good teacher - she knows she’s working with fighters & not monks. Its an excellent counterpoint to sparring & un-knotted all my muscles.

So, for goodness sake, what’s everybody ELSE doing?

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This was a pretty good workout we would do mon. wed. and fri. works pretty well for us.

Warm Up

Stretch
Clean pull 2x5

Workout
Part 1:
10 rounds of each exercise as fast as you can. 1 min. rest between each round.

Power Clean (~70-80% max) 10 reps
10 pull ups (add weight if needed)
10 box jumps (high as you can go)

Part 2
5 rounds each exercise as 1 min. rest between rounds
RDL (same weight as power clean) 8 reps
25 crunches
25 push ups

Part 3
Same idea as before only 3 rounds this time

Standing shoulder press 10 reps
barbell high pulls 10 reps
curls 10 reps

this is a very general summary of what we would do. usually it would change a little based on time and just to mix it up. the main idea is to really bust it hard. this as you may notice can help a lot with conditioning. let me know what yall think

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Sounds hard! What fighting style do you practice, Lyons4398? Sorry if you’ve mentioned it elsewhere & I missed it.

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this was just for wrestling

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Just started learning BJJ last week and rolled last night. I have no experience in wrestling or grappling so I’m a complete newb.

I couldn’t get out of a position where I was flat on my back, and my partner had all his weight on my chest/face. He was perpendicular to me with his hips in the air. He just kept pressing down on me and I couldn’t really escape. He has a big belly too which completely smothered my face and I couldn’t breathe, lol. What are a couple moves I can do to escape out of that? Videos would be cool.

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[quote]pch2 wrote:

Where do you train at? How long have you been doing BJJ for?

I’m in cleveland. Oh, not long at all, as of yesterday 2 months. I was looking for something and DD suggested fighting, and now I’m smitten. [/quote]

Where do you train at in Cleveland? I train Relson Gracie with Jeff Starr on the eastside.

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[quote]Sonny S wrote:
Just started learning BJJ last week and rolled last night. I have no experience in wrestling or grappling so I’m a complete newb.

I couldn’t get out of a position where I was flat on my back, and my partner had all his weight on my chest/face. He was perpendicular to me with his hips in the air. He just kept pressing down on me and I couldn’t really escape. He has a big belly too which completely smothered my face and I couldn’t breathe, lol. What are a couple moves I can do to escape out of that? Videos would be cool.

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Welcome to side control. I have no formal BJJ experience, but if you google around I’m sure you could find some things. You’ll address it in class soon enough. Or heck, just ask your sparring partner next time.

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Question here:
How many rest days do you guys have a week?
As in where you do absolutely nothing.
I’m talking about a day with no lifting, no sparring, no training whatsoever.

Thanks

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[quote]blazindave wrote:
Question here:
How many rest days do you guys have a week?
As in where you do absolutely nothing.
I’m talking about a day with no lifting, no sparring, no training whatsoever.

Thanks[/quote]

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I did ask him, but it was at the end of class and he was paying attention to what the instructor was saying, so we couldn’t practice it. Plus, I’d like to spring it on him next time :wink:

[quote]rugbyfan wrote:
Sonny S wrote:
Just started learning BJJ last week and rolled last night. I have no experience in wrestling or grappling so I’m a complete newb.

I couldn’t get out of a position where I was flat on my back, and my partner had all his weight on my chest/face. He was perpendicular to me with his hips in the air. He just kept pressing down on me and I couldn’t really escape. He has a big belly too which completely smothered my face and I couldn’t breathe, lol. What are a couple moves I can do to escape out of that? Videos would be cool.

Welcome to side control. I have no formal BJJ experience, but if you google around I’m sure you could find some things. You’ll address it in class soon enough. Or heck, just ask your sparring partner next time.[/quote]

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[quote]Miss Parker wrote:
blazindave wrote:
Question here:
How many rest days do you guys have a week?
As in where you do absolutely nothing.
I’m talking about a day with no lifting, no sparring, no training whatsoever.

Thanks

2-3[/quote]

If i had

monday: gymnastics, wrestling and then bag work/makiwara.

tuesday: gym (lifting), karate and then bag work/makiwara.

Wednesday: wrestling and bag work/makiwara

Thursday:Gym (lifting), bag work/makiwara

Friday:Gymnastics, bag work/makiwara

Saturday: gym (lifting), old school training (tire, sledgehammer, grip work, neck work), bag work/makiwara

Sunday: bag work/makiwara

Would this be too much?
Saturday is heavy deadlift day but i would get tons of sleep on the saturday morning and sleep on sunday morning as well.

Gym is the major compound lifts. Gymnastics and karate are about an hour and a half each. Wrestling is two hours. Bag work is half an hour.
Anyone’s input would be appreciated.

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I got to do my first Muay Thai workout today. My friend’s mom is an instructor at a local Muay Thai/MMA gym so she ran her son, another friend of ours and myself through one of her workouts. It was grueling. Nothing really prepares you for fight training like fight training.

I’m sure it would be was easier for someone more experienced, but it really opened my eyes to the fact that I need to up my fight specific conditioning way more.

We started off with a couple rounds of skipping rope. Next we moved on to working basic kicks with a partner on the pads. Then we moved on to working basic punches on the pads with a partner. During this she also put in stuff like push ups and thai lunges. It was good to get to practice kicks and really work technique, but then she had us do a set up and back while holding a medicine ball over our heads.

After the kicks we moved into the bag room and worked a couple of circuits on the bags and some bag work with partners. We ended it with some ab work.

Luckily one of their other trainers was there who is an amateur MMA fighter as well and has a fair bit of grappling experience. We did a few light rolls to see where I was and needless to say I got tapped every time. He did an awesome job of working the basic positions and showing me how to make transitions. We also worked on some basic submissions from multiple positions. Overall an awesome way to spend a Friday.

I’m really looking forward to my move when I can start training at an actual MMA gym on a regular basis.

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[quote]blazindave wrote:
Miss Parker wrote:
blazindave wrote:
Question here:
How many rest days do you guys have a week?
As in where you do absolutely nothing.
I’m talking about a day with no lifting, no sparring, no training whatsoever.

Thanks

2-3

If i had

monday: gymnastics, wrestling and then bag work/makiwara.

tuesday: gym (lifting), karate and then bag work/makiwara.

Wednesday: wrestling and bag work/makiwara

Thursday:Gym (lifting), bag work/makiwara

Friday:Gymnastics, bag work/makiwara

Saturday: gym (lifting), old school training (tire, sledgehammer, grip work, neck work), bag work/makiwara

Sunday: bag work/makiwara

Would this be too much?
Saturday is heavy deadlift day but i would get tons of sleep on the saturday morning and sleep on sunday morning as well.

Gym is the major compound lifts. Gymnastics and karate are about an hour and a half each. Wrestling is two hours. Bag work is half an hour.
Anyone’s input would be appreciated.[/quote]

Seems like kind of a lot, but whether its too much should largely depend on how hard you’re pushing your workout. If you push yourself so hard every day that you’re shaky and/or wobbly then I would say you should work in some rest days. If you go lighter on some of your workouts then maybe you could consider it “active rest”.

Listen to your body. If you start to feel run down or consistenly unmotivated over a period of time, take a rest and regroup. And eat clean, but eat eat eat.

Please forgive my ignorance, but I don’t know what makiwara means.

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[quote]Miss Parker wrote:
blazindave wrote:
Miss Parker wrote:
blazindave wrote:
Question here:
How many rest days do you guys have a week?
As in where you do absolutely nothing.
I’m talking about a day with no lifting, no sparring, no training whatsoever.

Thanks

2-3

If i had

monday: gymnastics, wrestling and then bag work/makiwara.

tuesday: gym (lifting), karate and then bag work/makiwara.

Wednesday: wrestling and bag work/makiwara

Thursday:Gym (lifting), bag work/makiwara

Friday:Gymnastics, bag work/makiwara

Saturday: gym (lifting), old school training (tire, sledgehammer, grip work, neck work), bag work/makiwara

Sunday: bag work/makiwara

Would this be too much?
Saturday is heavy deadlift day but i would get tons of sleep on the saturday morning and sleep on sunday morning as well.

Gym is the major compound lifts. Gymnastics and karate are about an hour and a half each. Wrestling is two hours. Bag work is half an hour.
Anyone’s input would be appreciated.

Seems like kind of a lot, but whether its too much should largely depend on how hard you’re pushing your workout. If you push yourself so hard every day that you’re shaky and/or wobbly then I would say you should work in some rest days. If you go lighter on some of your workouts then maybe you could consider it “active rest”.

Listen to your body. If you start to feel run down or consistenly unmotivated over a period of time, take a rest and regroup. And eat clean, but eat eat eat.

Please forgive my ignorance, but I don’t know what makiwara means.
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I try to do my maximum every time i train. I will try to eat more, thats something i never tend to much of :frowning:
How many days do you train miss Parker (lifting, sparring, etc)?
thanks

Makiwara is basically a hard object which gives when hit. Think of a bag filled with sand or a piece of metal on the edge of a wooden pole.
The purpose is to toughen the bones by constantly hitting the makiwara with shin,face,head,knee,foot,hand,elbow,wrist,etc…
Muay thai and kyokushin practicioners do it often.

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Ah, thanks for the makiwara info.

My training week looks like this:

monday: off or weights
tuesday: 2 hours krav maga, 45 minutes yoga, 1 hour mma
wednesday: off or weights
thursday: 3 hours krav maga, 1 hour mma
friday: off or weights
saturday: 2 hours krav maga, 1 hour BJJ
sunday: off or weights or crossfit

Weights are a full body workout that takes about 40 minutes. It kicks my ass, so I figure my weight training time around how I’m feeling on a particular day & what krav training I expect to face the next day. I just try to hit the weights twice a week & have 2 completely off days a week, where I just take a long walk on those days and (cough) stretch. I’m trying to be a good girl & stretch every day.

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Alright, thanks alot :slight_smile:
Really appreciate it.

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[quote]blazindave wrote:
Miss Parker wrote:
blazindave wrote:
Question here:
How many rest days do you guys have a week?
As in where you do absolutely nothing.
I’m talking about a day with no lifting, no sparring, no training whatsoever.

Thanks

2-3

If i had

monday: gymnastics, wrestling and then bag work/makiwara.

tuesday: gym (lifting), karate and then bag work/makiwara.

Wednesday: wrestling and bag work/makiwara

Thursday:Gym (lifting), bag work/makiwara

Friday:Gymnastics, bag work/makiwara

Saturday: gym (lifting), old school training (tire, sledgehammer, grip work, neck work), bag work/makiwara

Sunday: bag work/makiwara

Would this be too much?
Saturday is heavy deadlift day but i would get tons of sleep on the saturday morning and sleep on sunday morning as well.

Gym is the major compound lifts. Gymnastics and karate are about an hour and a half each. Wrestling is two hours. Bag work is half an hour.
Anyone’s input would be appreciated.[/quote]

I’ve been training almost everday for a while now and I’m doing alright with it (I’ve only been taking a day off if I feel like I need it, so maybe once every 2-3 weeks). Like Miss Parker mentioned, you can make it work by easing up a little while combat training once or twice a week. I would make those “technique” workouts and focus on pure skill/timing work as opposed to any heavy conditioning/live sparring/rolling/ect.

Most of all, listen to your body, you’ll know if you are doing to much, I’ve been seeing more and more that overtraining is waaaay overrated, especially if you train smarter, not harder. If you need a day off, take one.

Oh and eat alot.

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[quote]JRT6 wrote:
pch2 wrote:

Where do you train at? How long have you been doing BJJ for?

I’m in cleveland. Oh, not long at all, as of yesterday 2 months. I was looking for something and DD suggested fighting, and now I’m smitten.

Where do you train at in Cleveland? I train Relson Gracie with Jeff Starr on the eastside.
[/quote]

I haven’t popped in here for a while, sorry. I train on the eastside too, RGDA with Darren Branch.

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[quote]Sonny S wrote:
I did ask him, but it was at the end of class and he was paying attention to what the instructor was saying, so we couldn’t practice it. Plus, I’d like to spring it on him next time :wink:
[/quote]

There are tips in this thread about getting out of side control http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_boxing_fighting_mma_combat/bjj_technical_questions

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Only 2 hours today. No BJJ. My neck is still a little sore from doing lots of high fall breaks yesterday. Not sure if I’m careful or lazy. Anyway…

First hour level 1. In an effort to get into better condition I’m going all out, 100% on every exercise & drill, where I used to hold back a little in expectation of a long training session. Its exhausting, but getting easier. I demonstrated defense against side headlock today, and the guy who attacked me was obviously determined to make an impression, because he almost ripped my head off my body & proceeded to try to choke the life out of me. It startled me at first, but it was fun to defend successfully against a realistic attack. And he was a good sport about being smashed in the balls (cup on, of course) & taking hard hammerfists to the base of his throat. It’s meant to be an actual throat strike (not striking at the base), and I’ve always wondered how exposed the throat would really be going full force. Well, its exposed!

2nd hour I started out in the Gorgeous Bastard’s level 2/3 class, but left to assist with the people taking their introductory class today. I worked with an older woman who was much larger than me, very strong but with poor conditioning. But she never gave up, never stopped striking, even when she could hardly move. I love people like that!

Since some of us have talked on other threads about what is taught in law enforcement classes I asked if I could watch GB’s police officer training during 3rd hour, but they said no. No civilians are allowed to even watch, because people will sometimes countertrain for what they see. Guess that’ll put a dent in my next crime spree! :slight_smile: