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Xen_Nova · April 19, 2008, 12:44am

Personal opinion… it just didn’t live up to the lil blurb that it had below it. I mean thats a cute warmup but it honestly didn’t say anything useful. though it didn’t say anything “wrong” either. its like the last article he had, where he had some “MMA circuit” in it that was laughable.

And its kind of funny that now he’s saying you don’t need a 3x bw dl and squat like he said before. Though I understand maybe he was just being unclear, that happens. Just seems like a a little too much back tracking combined with a subpar article.

for instance rosstraining.com look at the training section then compare that to CW’s article and you realize how lacking it feels.

again nothing wrong it just felt kind of “womp womp waaaaaah”

Xen_Nova · April 19, 2008, 6:10pm

Well I mean it is a weight lifting website so expect that. But it just seems so MMA-lite it felt like something id give to my mom.

disclaimer: by me responding, I in no way am saying that I am more knowledgable than you I was just very bored friday!

Djwlfpack · April 19, 2008, 11:49pm

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Anyone read CW’s article on “7 things to a good fighter?”

I have opinions, but I’d like to hear other, more knowledgeable ones before I voice mine.

Plus I’ve got to read it again. [/quote]

I read it and I thought Chad raised some good points from 1-5. The last 2 just seemed like a cheap, easy way to plug Biotest supplements. Obviously since he writes for this site he’s going to do that, but I don’t really think taking Flameout or Surge is going to make you a good fighter.

The article as a whole did seem like a brush-through, though. Could’ve used some more detail and definitely needed to make a point in saying that training your specific MA is the No. 1 priority in becoming a better fighter.

Xen_Nova · April 20, 2008, 1:15am

I fully support the last two though, whatever keeps the site running.

Djwlfpack · April 20, 2008, 3:40am

[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
I fully support the last two though, whatever keeps the site running.[/quote]

You gotta get your level above 0, my man.

downwardog · April 20, 2008, 7:14pm

I just came here to say:

How did that guy escape that arm lock last night?

Rich Franklin, was it?

Was it sweat?

JRT6 · April 20, 2008, 8:03pm

Speaking of weighted vest training, I recently got a second 50lb vest, a short Mir, and wear it over my long 50lb one now while doing blast strap pushups which have just replaced my bench pressing (forever my joints can’t take anymore benching after 23 years) and I’m getting a fantastic workout. When I hit the heavy bag a couple days after my last chest day my arms were dead right off the bat.

Grapplersguide.com is getting 95% of my internet time because it has so much stuff on it. I’m using the flow charts on it to help get me ready for a shot at blue belt next month.

slimjim · April 20, 2008, 9:19pm

[quote]downwardog wrote:
I just came here to say:

How did that guy escape that arm lock last night?

Rich Franklin, was it?

Was it sweat?[/quote]

I was pretty surprised that Lutter didn’t manage to finish what looked to be a pretty tight armbar, Franklin executed the escape pretty well by first turning his hand so Lutter no longer had the angle necessary to finish. To stop people from doing this, most of our instructors tell us to secure the wrist so that when someone tries to roll over like he did, he ends up just armlocking himself even tighter.

Also, another thing that was preventing Lutter from finishing was that his knees weren’t tight on the arm and you can see that Franklin’s arm is right up against his hips…Lutter had pretty much maxed out the distance he could torque the arm and I guess it wasn’t enough for Franklin to tap.

However, Lutter is a blackbelt with many many years of experience and if he couldn’t finish it, I doubt I could have. But I can’t believe how hard he gassed after one round. I think his chances of getting a title shot after that performance are pretty much zero.

anoddparadigm · April 20, 2008, 9:50pm

[quote]downwardog wrote:
I just came here to say:

How did that guy escape that arm lock last night?

Rich Franklin, was it?

Was it sweat?[/quote]

Hitchikers escape. I really don’t like using it because I feel afraid rolling with my arm already locked out. It is pretty easy to counter by just turning the guys wrist or transitioning to an omoplata.

Xen_Nova · April 20, 2008, 10:19pm

exactly what slimjim said, great analysis.

Pretty slick move, but its not something i haven’t seen before… now whats crazy is that he pulled it off on Travis Lutter.

WOW.

Thing is I hate when fights like this happen because it makes Franklin look like a fucking STUD and I wonder is he THAT GOOD or is Lutter just THAT BAD.

Same with the Nate Quarry fight… i said in the 2nd round that it turned into a fucking track meet and then nate pulls off the funniest taunts in UFC history LMAO I want a gif of that shit!

Xen_Nova · April 20, 2008, 10:40pm

GIF’s of the Quarry fight

Djwlfpack · April 21, 2008, 12:35am

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hopkins Calzaghe last night was terrible. Anyone watch that?[/quote]

Didn’t see it but heard it wasn’t a technical exhibition by any means. I expected Hopkins to make it a street fight.

Chad_Waterbury · April 21, 2008, 1:32am

[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
The last 2 just seemed like a cheap, easy way to plug Biotest supplements. Obviously since he writes for this site he’s going to do that, but I don’t really think taking Flameout or Surge is going to make you a good fighter.
[/quote]

Dj…,

You know I respect you, but I’ve gotta disagree with these statements.

Are you saying that controlling joint inflammation ISN’T beneficial to a fighter?

And Surge Workout Fuel will help you recover faster. Proper recovery support is KEY to a hard-training fighter.

As for the other statements, I simply can’t give super specific programming advice in an article like that. What would be spot on for one guy wouldn’t work for another. That’s why I give examples of exercises and parameters.

I was asked if I would change anything about the HD articles. Yes, I wouldn’t have written them. That two-part system would’ve been more beneficial if I stuck to my instincts and wrote them as programming guidelines - not as specific workouts.

Whenever I hear someone say “Coach _____” designed a better system, it’s perfectly evident that the system in question coincided with the person’s weaknesses. HD does fit the bill for many fighters, but it also misses the boat for others. This is the nature of writing programs with specific guidelines.

What if I posted the EXACT program that I have Kron Gracie on right now to prepare him for his life as a BJJ and MMA fighter? Do you think it would work for you? My guess is it probably wouldn’t. His progress has been incredible on his current program, but the program is specific to HIS needs.

HD was an experiment on my part. But you won’t see an exact program for MMA fighters by me ever again because it doesn’t do the reader justice. What I’m writing now is a book with specific tests to determine your weaknesses, and ways to correct each.

That’s how you get results.

JRT6 · April 21, 2008, 1:45am

Chad, While that article, and frankly the whole figther thing you’ve done here, isn’t your best work I none the less took some very important things from them that I follow even now.

slimjim · April 21, 2008, 2:14am

Chad,

You get a shit ton of crap over those articles and your guidelines for MMA strength. I personally feel a lot of it was related to, exactly as you stated, the specificity of the programs…I was more interested in your approach to training MMA athletes rather than a generalized program, but I did find your articles very useful as you did breakdown the reasoning behind your methods.

On the other hand, your latest article gets some criticism for not going into enough detail. I don’t envy writers at all. I’m actually very interested in point number one where you reference movement dysfunctions, I’ll have to look more into that. I guess this is more of a kiss-ass post than anything else as I appreciate anyone writing about MMA training - even if I don’t agree with all of their points, at least it gets me thinking about it.

Xen_Nova · April 21, 2008, 2:25am

[quote]Chad Waterbury wrote:

Dj…,

You know I respect you, but I’ve gotta disagree with these statements.

Are you saying that controlling joint inflammation ISN’T beneficial to a fighter?

And Surge Workout Fuel will help you recover faster. Proper recovery support is KEY to a hard-training fighter. [/quote]

Yes. But you could have easily said proper nutrition and advertised the Biotest supplements, instead it was done twice. Which seems redundant. I dont have a problem with it, but i see where DJ is coming from.

[quote]
As for the other statements, I simply can’t give super specific programming advice in an article like that. What would be spot on for one guy wouldn’t work for another. That’s why I give examples of exercises and parameters.

I was asked if I would change anything about the HD articles. Yes, I wouldn’t have written them. That two-part system would’ve been more beneficial if I stuck to my instincts and wrote them as programming guidelines - not as specific workouts. [/quote]

I agree.

[quote]
Whenever I hear someone say “Coach _____” designed a better system, it’s perfectly evident that the system in question coincided with the person’s weaknesses. HD does fit the bill for many fighters, but it also misses the boat for others. This is the nature of writing programs with specific guidelines.

What if I posted the EXACT program that I have Kron Gracie on right now to prepare him for his life as a BJJ and MMA fighter? Do you think it would work for you? My guess is it probably wouldn’t. His progress has been incredible on his current program, but the program is specific to HIS needs. [/quote]

There are very few of us who don’t recognize this fact. Yet would be interested in seeing an example of a developing fighters training programming because we can learn from it and tweak it to our own needs. We can learn a lot by seeing what actually works for someone.

[quote]
HD was an experiment on my part. But you won’t see an exact program for MMA fighters by me ever again because it doesn’t do the reader justice. What I’m writing now is a book with specific tests to determine your weaknesses, and ways to correct each.

That’s how you get results. [/quote]

Again, I agree. What I did like about the article is that the first order of business was identifying and correcting movement dysfunction. I felt this could have been explored more but that is an article unto itself.

While the other portions of the article were to give guidelines and basic parameters it seemed TOO broad.

Also my opinion is that there was no mentioning of how a fighter (recreationally or with professional intentions) can segue into weight training while say running 3x a week and training his sport 4-6x a week.

Recovery (other than post workout nutrition) wasn’t touched on and thats a huge part of fighting, which trains the cns heavily.

The specific endurance portion seemed more like general fitness… the guidelines were frankly subpar, if someone can’t do those then the last thing they need to think about doing is fighting.

The whole portion was dedicated to shoulder endurance.

Anaerobic endurance was touched on as walking with a 100lb dummy. While I’m sure thats great GPP thats nothing compared to say

alternating rounds of tabata sledgehammer tire strikes and speed jump rope

carrying the dummy is nothing compared to snatches with a beer keg filled with water.

High rep overhead squats, while i agree is a great gauge is staggeringly subpar to say front squats and sprints (jumprope or actual running)

And i’m pretty sure weighted chinups trumps the bent over crucifix hold, even if it is about static strength.

If this were part of a “how to segue into weight lifting to enhance your athletic performance and simultaneously correct movement efficiency” portion to the article then these would be fitting otherwise it just seems like someone might read that and go “oh thats ALL i need to do to lift weights as an mma fighter?”

“7 steps to a balanced fighter” makes it seem like “Follow these 7 Mandates of the White Heaven Lotus and you shall become Champion of the world” or something… it was more like 7 cool tips for fighters.

Hell, I like the article… and maybe we’re nitpicking, maybe we’re just spoiled (quattro dynamo for instance was the shit)… but it really hit me as less than it could have been.

Djwlfpack · April 21, 2008, 2:50am

[quote]Chad Waterbury wrote:
Djwlfpack wrote:
The last 2 just seemed like a cheap, easy way to plug Biotest supplements. Obviously since he writes for this site he’s going to do that, but I don’t really think taking Flameout or Surge is going to make you a good fighter.