[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
OK, that “Bodybuilders are pansies” thread is driving me fucking apeshit.
The fact that anyone thinks a trained fighter is ever going to lose to a bodybuilder in any way is asinine to me.
Am I just overreacting? Or is everyone actually that fucking dumb on there?
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yeah, thanks for providing that link, I now have a headache
[quote]Scrappy wrote:
I suggest you pick it up at Barnes and Noble and see what you think if you have doubts. It’s worth it just for the photos IMHO.
But the info is not lacking or sparse. This is how he trains fighters plain and simple. How he goes about flexibility, diet, conditioning and everything else.
It gives an 8 week s&c progression and offers all the exercises and circuits he does. The best part is each section has exercises with bodyweight, a partner alternative or an equipment exercise so depending on what you have you can make it work with a ton of equipment or nothing.
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Sounds awesome, I ordered it on Amazon already, I was just debating over ordering the video as well and figured I would just because I enjoy information considering exercise training anyways.
Ankle is feeling pretty good today…didn’t tape it up today. Had striking class tonight.
4/3min. rounds of shadowboxing…dynamic stretching in between rounds,
4/3min. rounds of heavy bag…working punch kick combos nonstop,
4/3min. rounds of focus mitts…concentrating on defense and counters,
4/3min. rounds of defensive drills with gloves,shinpads…working timing,
10min. nonstop clinchwork,
Worked in extra kicking on heavy bag…about 50 kicks per leg(gotta condition those shins!).
Did lots of stretching…used a sport stretch strap to get those deep stretches…it works wonders for helping get flexible(I’m coming,rubberguard). Will finally get some rolling in tomorrow…got paperwork for Relson Gracie Tourney in Waco,TX…April 26.
glad you’re gettin better thats a very positive thing, good luck with the tourney if i dont get to say so in the future.
by the way, Baroni was a bodybuilder b4 he was a fighter… im just sayin 
imo, fighting is the pinnacle one can reach in the pursuit of truth. Violence is the ultimate fulfillment of human expression.
To dominate someone and enforce your will upon them is our greatest accomplishment.
when you dunk on someone, or when you really crack someone in football or hockey, hell when you smash a blazing serve in tennis… its all the same statement you’re making “i just beat you, i just kicked your ass”.
But when push comes to shove, when those events get out of hand. They “escalate” or “degrade into” a fight.
these “civilized” events work themselves into a fight because that violence is the bottom line and the ultimate expression of what they were trying to portray within the medium (or that set of rules) of the art (or sport, depending how you want to take this analogy) they were partaking in.
Bottom line is anyone who thinks that bodybuilding means you can fight means that they just bought into the propoganda too much.
Big muscles aren’t anything but other males peacocking saying “I can beat you in a fight” without actually requiring the ability to fight. Most guys will leave you alone because you’re “big” and thus equating that with strength, which equals fighting ability. Which to an extent is true but grossly overestimated.
Guys bodybuild for other guys, no matter is said. If it was for your health you could eat better and do yoga. If it was for getting chicks, thats far too fickle, you’ll need to look like ryan reynolds one day, brad pitt the next, and reggie bush on another.
So anyone who says that bullshit is just a fucking peacock who thinks muscle = can fight. because they’ve bought into our sociological lil’ bubble.
but when the shit hits the fan i’ll go with the little urijah faber lookin motherfucker who probably got picked on a whole lot and learned quite a bit about scrappin’.
Cool Slim. I loved the DVD personally but I hate to recommend stuff too much because I’m not sure what you’ve seen or know…you know? I also know Martin.
Anyway, The book is very cool. If you have access to a Barnes and Noble you can pick it up there and go through it and see if it’s worth your $$. I think it is but again I don’t know what you know or have seen. At 19.95, or whatever, on Amazon I feel comfortable saying it’s a real value and you won’t be disappointed.
I’ve actually not watched the dvd in some time. It essentially goes through a workout and has a lot of info that is great but it does require some equipment. It also has some big name bjj and Team Renzo guys training in it which is kind of cool.
This new book is Martin’s most up-to-date work on what he is actually doing. I think that is important because he’s changed a bit since he first started many years ago with Ricardo Almeida and the rest of the Renzo guys.
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[quote]slimjim wrote:
Scrappy wrote:
I suggest you pick it up at Barnes and Noble and see what you think if you have doubts. It’s worth it just for the photos IMHO.
But the info is not lacking or sparse. This is how he trains fighters plain and simple. How he goes about flexibility, diet, conditioning and everything else.
It gives an 8 week s&c progression and offers all the exercises and circuits he does. The best part is each section has exercises with bodyweight, a partner alternative or an equipment exercise so depending on what you have you can make it work with a ton of equipment or nothing.
Sounds awesome, I ordered it on Amazon already, I was just debating over ordering the video as well and figured I would just because I enjoy information considering exercise training anyways.[/quote]
Hey Slim,
I just talked to Martin and he is doing another DVD so I’d wait for that. Not sure how far along that is but I know it’s in the works.
Tell dad I said hi scrap.
If I ever get to feeling better again, I’m going to give Rooney’s book a serious look. I definitely respect his methods.
How about this: Does the new book offer anything for those of us who have all of Ross’ stuff and have extensive knowledge in resistence training? I only ask the last part because while I’m constantly looking for new weight training techniques I’m way past the 5x5 stage.
I think the book does offer stuff that is different from Ross. It’s different primarily because Ross is really focused on boxing. And his stuff is good. Personally, I’ve gotten something from a lot of trainers, as has Martin and Ross too I’m sure. So this is Martin’s version. The reason I like Martin’s stuff is that he works with the high level athletes and regular guys and has had a lot of different guys come in.
Some for long periods, some who come in and need to get in shape fast. He also understands that the mma athlete or footballer or whatever, their first job is training their sport. They need to stay healthy and progress their physical capcities all while training in a combat sport. All I can say is if you happen to walk by a Barnes and Noble why not thumb through it. It has its own stand at most of them.
At first look, it looks like a ton of exercise pics, but the 8 week workout laid out is very good I think. It is a 4 day a week workout. 2 strength days, 2 conditioning days primarily and with mobility built in. The main thing is this is born out of training some top mma fighters. There are no secrets, just Martin’s take on things.
And I think he’s been in the game longer and at a higher level than most. He’s also got a lot of experience in BJJ and Judo and Muay thai so he has a good perspective. This is just what he does with his guys.
Xen, do you like Eddie’s system for MMA or no gi grappling?? Or both? HAve you trained at 10th planet?? Also wondering where do you train in Cali and what is your primary training?? MMA or grappling or striking?
Thanks
I have to see what the fuss is all about with this Martin Rooney book…sounds like some good stuff. Anyways,finally got some grappling in tonight…2hr class.
Warm-up,dynamic stretches,etc.
4/3min rounds of nonstop pummeling,30sec. rest
worked about 10-15 minutes of wrestling drills and technique(takedowns,foot sweeps,ankle picks,etc.)
3/5min rounds of rolling(switching partners each round),30sec. rest in between rounds.
Worked submission technique from side mount(kimuras,neck cranks,etc.)
Worked escapes from side mount…then drilled in 30 second intervals(2 rounds for each partner).
3/5min rounds of rolling(switching partners each round) again,30 sec. rest in between rounds.
Worked escapes from full mount.
3/5min rounds of rolling(rolled with only my coach this go)30 sec. rest in between rounds.
Ankle felt good…I felt good. Had a 300lb big guy(trying to get him to relax cause he was gassing himself) and a 6’7 beast to roll with today. They wore me out. Had quite a few (supposedly)Army Combatives guys tonight…some good…some balls-to-the wall idiots. Good class tonight though. Some early morning lifting and striking class tomorrow…and some sparring(yeah,buddy).
gymnastics and tma
moved onto wrestling and bjj
for a little over a year its just been muay thai(didn’t even lift weights for a while) will go pro end of this year in muay thai (or at least thats my goal) meanwhile this month im getting back into BJJ/wrestling and will start competing in tourneys asap then i’ll start doing mma matches after i have a few pro Thai fights under my belt.
Eddie’s system is fantastic for no gi, and they train grappling with strikes sometimes (using them to set up subs)… check out his books and on the first 1-3 pages there is like the “map” on how to use the system and he has something similar for different moves the shit is damn near infallible, like with practice there is no situation you’d be unready for. The whole system/map is very methodical. and you work from worst case scenario to best case always giving you an option… you know that if im in position A, option 1, 2, 3 can occur, and that position b will arise from all 3 options…etc etc… takes a LOT of the guess work out.
he figured out how to cut down on the learning curve that a lot of times you have to just figure out from practice.
lloyd irvin has a similar system of charts and stuff, high percentage moves, charts and figures and stuff that basically eliminate a lot of the learning curve that you usually have to just figure out on your own. gives you a huge advantage.
thats why both eddie and lloyd’s white ‘belts’ can compete with blue belts, and their blue’s can compete with purples.
system isn’t perfect, but imo its the next evolution in bjj… guys like lloyd irvin, eddie bravo, camarillo bros are coming up with some amazingly unique shit.
I’m doing strength workout today.Is it a good idea to do endurance workout the following day if one is pressed for time/days in a week?
Something like this:
Deadlift
Romainian Deadlift
Bent over row
Power Clean
Front squat
Good morning
6 reps x 4 (rest 90s)
if I go light with the barbell ?!?
Did early morning lifting:
(medium-heavy weights,long rest periods)
Push Press,5x3
Front Squat,5x3
Bent-Over Row,5x3
Medicine Ball Push ups,alternating for 5 each side,4 sets
Foamroller,Stretching,Icebath
Striking class 6:30pm-8:30pm…didn’t spar,but had a VERY productive class as you will see:
4/3min rounds shadowboxing
4/3min rounds heavy bag
Thai pad drills(3minutes each drill):
3 count drill(leg check-overhand right-left hook-right roundhouse,repeat)
4 count drill(right kick-left hook-cross-left roundhouse,repeat)
Worked teep kick to roundhouse with same leg and front straight knees
Blitz drill on 4 count:
jab/cross-jab/cross,
L knee/R knee-L knee/R knee,
L elbow/R elbow-L elbow/R elbow,
L roundhouse/R roundhouse,
repeat for 3min round,30 seconds rest
10 x 10 drill(fun!):
1 R roundhouse
2 R roundhouse
3 R roundhouse
4 R roundhouse
5 R roundhouse
6 R roundhouse
7 R roundhouse
8 R roundhouse
9 R roundhouse
10 R roundhouse
Repeat for L roundhouse…then immediately clinch and throw 50 alternating knees.
Rest 1min…then worked low roundhouse w/suitcase pad for 3min.
Back to heavy bag for alternating roundhouses for either 3 or 5 minutes…I was so tired I couldn’t remember. Anyways,that was it…stretched…changed and dragged my ass home.
They worked the big boy tonight…but I feel good…tired but not overworked. Maybe some early morning cardio…Grappling tomorrow night.
Juicy lucy, doesn’t matter imo just get your training in, at the end of the week you’ll be more disappointed that you missed a session than anything else. though really listen to your body if you can’t fathom getting in there to do more work then dont bother (push yourself but dont burn out) its a marathon not a sprint. While i’m all about the “Dont be a bitch” mentality, missing ONE session isn’t going to kill you if you’re keeping up your skillwork.
and bigboss i hate that 10x10 drill lol
tonight-
lifted:
1 arm chin up training
incline dumbbell bench 4x6- 70,80,90,100
muscle clean and press 4x3- 135, 155, 185, 185
chest support row 5x10- plates: 2, 3,4,4,5 w/ straps
rest 15min protien/carb/bcaa shake.
conditioning
5 rounds of bagwork, 30s rest between rounds
rowing 2min with heart rate above 170, 30seconds with heart rate not dropping below 140, repeat 4 more times.
all done w/ mouthpiece in.
rest 40min protien/carb/bcaa shake
trained a useful way to get the overhand right, and differing combos off of it. can’t WAIT to use this shit. with my punching power, guaranteed knockout. Did a shitload of clinch work/plumb tonight, about 9 rounds of sparring, new guys though i really need tougher people to spar with… and 4 rounds of padwork but that was the most intense padwork ive done in a long time, dont know if it was the accumulation of everything else but fuck i was dying. Recovered HELLA fast between rounds though so I think the rowing 2min interval thing on the rower and stairmaster are working.
never doing all this shit back to back again in my fucking life. way too tired.
on the upside my girlfriend made it to the 2nd round on “so you think you can dance”!
She’s a baaaaaadddddddasssssssss breakdancer but because of her competition schedule (gymnastics) i dont know if she can accept it or not :-/ she might have to turn it down but if not look out cause she’ll win the whole fucking thing (or im kicking each judge in the leg)
and its my birthday tommorrow! double deuce, turnin 22… 
treating myself to something i “need” either this:
or this:
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
Juicy lucy, doesn’t matter imo just get your training in, at the end of the week you’ll be more disappointed that you missed a session than anything else. though really listen to your body if you can’t fathom getting in there to do more work then dont bother (push yourself but dont burn out) its a marathon not a sprint. While i’m all about the “Dont be a bitch” mentality, missing ONE session isn’t going to kill you if you’re keeping up your skillwork.
and bigboss i hate that 10x10 drill lol
tonight-
lifted:
1 arm chin up training
incline dumbbell bench 4x6- 70,80,90,100
muscle clean and press 4x3- 135, 155, 185, 185
chest support row 5x10- plates: 2, 3,4,4,5 w/ straps
rest 15min protien/carb/bcaa shake.
conditioning
5 rounds of bagwork, 30s rest between rounds
rowing 2min with heart rate above 170, 30seconds with heart rate not dropping below 140, repeat 4 more times.
all done w/ mouthpiece in.
rest 40min protien/carb/bcaa shake
trained a useful way to get the overhand right, and differing combos off of it. can’t WAIT to use this shit. with my punching power, guaranteed knockout. Did a shitload of clinch work/plumb tonight, about 9 rounds of sparring, new guys though i really need tougher people to spar with… and 4 rounds of padwork but that was the most intense padwork ive done in a long time, dont know if it was the accumulation of everything else but fuck i was dying. Recovered HELLA fast between rounds though so I think the rowing 2min interval thing on the rower and stairmaster are working.
never doing all this shit back to back again in my fucking life. way too tired.
on the upside my girlfriend made it to the 2nd round on “so you think you can dance”!
She’s a baaaaaadddddddasssssssss breakdancer but because of her competition schedule (gymnastics) i dont know if she can accept it or not :-/ she might have to turn it down but if not look out cause she’ll win the whole fucking thing (or im kicking each judge in the leg)
and its my birthday tommorrow! double deuce, turnin 22… treating myself to something i “need” either this:
or this:
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Nova thats a sick workout… how did u train for the overhand right i wanna know, also whats ur usual workout routine and diet like i jus wanna kno u seem like u kno whats up with this stuff
im trying to get a overhand right like how josh koshcheck throws it
^dont follow that shit i usually lift in the am, like 6 or 10… and dont train again till 7…
and thank you, i just kno what works for me, if it helps you then great, glad i can contribute, but keep in mind everyone’s different.
um we dont just swing the arm, its a very directed technique, designed to come STRAIGHT down (90degrees (or 270 depending how specific u wanna get with ur geometry)) not at a 45 angle like u see most people throw it, if someone has a good stance or just quick reflexes they can block that… our version is a LOT harder to anticipate.
we have to train it a lot different than you see in mma because in muay thai you will eat an elbow or a knee bad just lobbing it out there.
we trained it off of a 1-2 combo being thrown at you. off of a pat down for the right hand, off of a teep, a variety of set ups…
usual workout routine i posted somewhere earlier in the thread. probably around page 17 im not sure at all but it was my first post i believe.
koshcheck throws his right hand kinda wide imo, but usually its to setup a double leg… damn his standup improved tho… if u get randy couture’s book “wrestling for fighting” or something that like that the overhand right to single transfer into double is in there… not sure of the title its a victorybelt publishing title thats all i know for sure.
he has a ton of setups for that kinda thing if its your cup o’ tea. kool thing about that book is i have links to nearly every single one of randy’s fights and you flip to pages in the book and actually SEE shit he used in the book.
same with bj penn’s book… BJ set up his RNC on stevenson EXACTLY like how it was in the book, when i mean exactly, i mean exactly no bullshitting.
off topic, can anyone tell me how you get started training for san shou? id like to maybe compete in that sometime… i have a list of shit i want to do lol
sansho, mt, mma, another “gathering”, shooto, k-1, and grapplers quest & naga.
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
^dont follow that shit i usually lift in the am, like 6 or 10… and dont train again till 7…
and thank you, i just kno what works for me, if it helps you then great, glad i can contribute, but keep in mind everyone’s different.
um we dont just swing the arm, its a very directed technique, designed to come STRAIGHT down (90degrees (or 270 depending how specific u wanna get with ur geometry)) not at a 45 angle like u see most people throw it, if someone has a good stance or just quick reflexes they can block that… our version is a LOT harder to anticipate.
we have to train it a lot different than you see in mma because in muay thai you will eat an elbow or a knee bad just lobbing it out there.
we trained it off of a 1-2 combo being thrown at you. off of a pat down for the right hand, off of a teep, a variety of set ups…
usual workout routine i posted somewhere earlier in the thread. probably around page 17 im not sure at all but it was my first post i believe.
koshcheck throws his right hand kinda wide imo, but usually its to setup a double leg… damn his standup improved tho… if u get randy couture’s book “wrestling for fighting” or something that like that the overhand right to single transfer into double is in there… not sure of the title its a victorybelt publishing title thats all i know for sure.
he has a ton of setups for that kinda thing if its your cup o’ tea. kool thing about that book is i have links to nearly every single one of randy’s fights and you flip to pages in the book and actually SEE shit he used in the book.
same with bj penn’s book… BJ set up his RNC on stevenson EXACTLY like how it was in the book, when i mean exactly, i mean exactly no bullshitting.
off topic, can anyone tell me how you get started training for san shou? id like to maybe compete in that sometime… i have a list of shit i want to do lol
sansho, mt, mma, another “gathering”, shooto, k-1, and grapplers quest & naga.[/quote]
Damn your routine is pretty crazy but thas good, whats ME and DE mean?? also do you jump rope i think thats hella good cardio i do it for that i think it makes ur calves bigger too lol
Hey Xen how long have you been doing Muay Thai? You mentioned that you want to go pro how many smokers have you had?
I would love to start training Muay Thai and not being that guy who has picked up moves here and there practicing frankenstein Muay Thai. Damn expensive Muay Thai classes.