MLB Thread: 2013

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[quote]sonnyp wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Melky Cabrera and jose bautista are just awesome.

In 2 weeks when Reyes returns, we’ll get to see the offense this team SHOULD’VE had all year.

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Yeah, and about a week after that Melky will be done for 100 games, Bautista will sprain his wrist and Reyes will pull a hamstring after going 2 for 17 since his return from the DL.[/quote]

I guess SF is really missing Melky’s bat, huh?
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Not really. They have one of the better offenses in the NL. Their pitching has been horrendous.[/quote]

So another potent bat wouldn’t help to mask this deficiency?[/quote]

I don’t know. Ask the Blue Jays.[/quote]

Yes?

Ever since that 10-21 start they’ve been on a 89 win pace with a demolished SP staff and no Reyes.

It’s been all offense and bullpen.
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What they’re on pace for means nothing. [/quote]

You’re basically saying, “if you just ignore the first 31 of the 64 games we’ve played, we’re doing great”. You been readin the hometown paper too much man. [/quote]

I’m not making a case the Blue Jays are having a good year.

I am showing that, good hitters can help makeup (not completely) for poor pitching. The Jays pitchers have been atrocious and yet their still winning a decent amount of games.

Had Melky, JoBau and Encarnacion also had bad years, this team would be 20 games under .500.

DB is just in denial if he thinks inserting Melky into SF’s lineup wouldn’t significantly help his team.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]sonnyp wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Melky Cabrera and jose bautista are just awesome.

In 2 weeks when Reyes returns, we’ll get to see the offense this team SHOULD’VE had all year.

[/quote]

Yeah, and about a week after that Melky will be done for 100 games, Bautista will sprain his wrist and Reyes will pull a hamstring after going 2 for 17 since his return from the DL.[/quote]

I guess SF is really missing Melky’s bat, huh?
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Not really. They have one of the better offenses in the NL. Their pitching has been horrendous.[/quote]

So another potent bat wouldn’t help to mask this deficiency?[/quote]

I don’t know. Ask the Blue Jays.[/quote]

Yes?

Ever since that 10-21 start they’ve been on a 89 win pace with a demolished SP staff and no Reyes.

It’s been all offense and bullpen.
[/quote]

What they’re on pace for means nothing. [/quote]

You’re basically saying, “if you just ignore the first 31 of the 64 games we’ve played, we’re doing great”. You been readin the hometown paper too much man. [/quote]

I’m not making a case the Blue Jays are having a good year.

I am showing that, good hitters can help makeup (not completely) for poor pitching. The Jays pitchers have been atrocious and yet their still winning a decent amount of games.

Had Melky, JoBau and Encarnacion also had bad years, this team would be 20 games under .500.

DB is just in denial if he thinks inserting Melky into SF’s lineup wouldn’t significantly help his team.
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Melky would not significantly help the Giants right now. They’re scoring plenty of runs to win and on the nights they aren’t scoring many, they’re losing by five or six runs because they aren’t getting good starting pitching and their bullpen is starting to look vulnerable in the middle relief roles.

I shouldn’t have to remind you that the Giants actually had a better record without Melky last year than with him. Hitting always helps, but the difference between a really good team and a team that isn’t quite good enough to lay claim to that description, which is what the Giants are looking like this year, is not one good hitter. It’s usually good starting pitching.

Did you not see the World Series in 2010 or 2012? The Giants don’t need to score a ton of runs to win they get good pitching every night. No team does. Ask those great Cleveland offenses from the 1990’s how well adding hitter after hitter did for them. Shit, ask your Blue Jays squad what having a procession of good hitters coming to the plate for them has done the last couple years. Nothing. The 2010 and 2011 Giants showed that you can stay in the race all the way down to the end with mediocre hitting and excellent pitching, but it is MUCH harder to do it the other way around. The Rockies can verify that, as can the Milwaukee Brewers, your Blue Jays, etc etc.

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Take a look at where the Giants’ pitching and defense is right now. It’s near the bottom in most categories. Their hitting has been above average. 7th in runs, 3rd in avg, 1st in strikeouts, 7th in OPS. That isn’t a great offensive ballclub, sure. But anyone who knows how the Giants won two titles in three years and looks at their 4.14 team ERA and their fpct, which is 3rd from last in the NL, and tries to argue that another hitter is going to make a significant difference on that ball club is the one in denial. Or, rather, just plain ignorant.

And that certainly fits you, Raj. Pitching and defense is 2/3 of the game and the Giants fucking suck at it right now. Shit, Melky wouldn’t even be an upgrade over Gregor Blanco in left from a defensive standpoint, and I’m not sure Andres Torres is any different than what Melky brings, other than a weaker arm, which is a bit meaningless anyways since they both play left.

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It’s hard to believe that pitching is such a problem for the Giants when it’s been their saving grace for years now. They’re only 2 games back though. They could turn this thing around. The Jays on the other hand. Not so much.

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So are the Giants title runs done?

Is this the end for them?

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I can see any team winning the NL west at this point. There is no clear standout team. All it can take is for someone to get hot at the right time.

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BlueJays improve to 31-36. This time last season, the A’s were 31-36. They went on to win 94 games & AL West.

Just sayin’

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
BlueJays improve to 31-36. This time last season, the A’s were 31-36. They went on to win 94 games & AL West.

Just sayin’[/quote]

Yeah. They were .500 by the All Star Break. Thats always been the line for me. It gives you a chance. Its cool that you dont give up hope for your team. No real fan ever does. After what the Cardinals did in 2011 I never will.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
BlueJays improve to 31-36. This time last season, the A’s were 31-36. They went on to win 94 games & AL West.

Just sayin’[/quote]
Pshh, Padres are above .500 now. That is with 3 starting players on the DL too.

Actually they just had a question on the MLB network of which team has a better chance of winning the division, Padres or Blue Jays. Both guys said Blue Jays, but I would disagree on the fact that the AL East has tougher teams on top to get through.

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[quote]sonnyp wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
BlueJays improve to 31-36. This time last season, the A’s were 31-36. They went on to win 94 games & AL West.

Just sayin’[/quote]

Yeah. They were .500 by the All Star Break. Thats always been the line for me. It gives you a chance. Its cool that you dont give up hope for your team. No real fan ever does. After what the Cardinals did in 2011 I never will. [/quote]

The mini-run hasn’t warranted enough of evidence that they can still make the playoffs. I am however, still hopeful. I do enjoy the game of baseball, have watched my fair share of losing/mediocre seasons so this is still better than what I’m use to.

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[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
BlueJays improve to 31-36. This time last season, the A’s were 31-36. They went on to win 94 games & AL West.

Just sayin’[/quote]
Pshh, Padres are above .500 now. That is with 3 starting players on the DL too.

Actually they just had a question on the MLB network of which team has a better chance of winning the division, Padres or Blue Jays. Both guys said Blue Jays, but I would disagree on the fact that the AL East has tougher teams on top to get through.[/quote]

I agree. Though the shitbag fill-ins the Yankees have been throwing out there for 60+ games are now regressing to their usual shitty self.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
BlueJays improve to 31-36. This time last season, the A’s were 31-36. They went on to win 94 games & AL West.

Just sayin’[/quote]
Pshh, Padres are above .500 now. That is with 3 starting players on the DL too.

Actually they just had a question on the MLB network of which team has a better chance of winning the division, Padres or Blue Jays. Both guys said Blue Jays, but I would disagree on the fact that the AL East has tougher teams on top to get through.[/quote]

I agree. Though the shitbag fill-ins the Yankees have been throwing out there for 60+ games are now regressing to their usual shitty self.
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I remember someone defending V. Wells in this thread. Well, 243 At bats into the year he is 27-10-27 .230/.273/.383, ranking him comfortably below average among starting LFs in every offensive category, and getting worse every month.

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Ichiro is such a non-factor he makes Nate Scheirholtz look good.

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Venable made a sick grab for the Padres last night that basically saved the Giants from getting the win.

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^Sweet catch

So the city of San Jose is now suing the MLB for not letting the Athletics move to their city.

Wow I guess the Athletics are having one helluva season?

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I am pretty much ready to concede any hope for the Yankees at this point. Losing Youklis for at least 10 weeks and Texeira again, not to mention Granderson again is too much to overcome. Pitching has been rock solid but you gotta score runs to win, and the lineup is God awful. No protection for Cano, one of the worst lineups in the league right now. I still think they will hang around somehow, with no real shot though. Next year I believe will be another lean year as well.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
^Sweet catch

So the city of San Jose is now suing the MLB for not letting the Athletics move to their city.

Wow I guess the Athletics are having one helluva season?[/quote]

I’d like to see the city lose the lawsuit and appeal it all the way to the Supreme Court. No one has ever really had enough standing to challenge something that far and put MLB’s anti-trust exemption at risk as a result. But something like this could definitely jeopardize it, and I for one hope the exemption is abolished. It’s as pure a monopoly as there is in this country.

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Oswalt has been promoted and is starting tonight. If he is back to form, the Rockies could rack up a few more wins and stick around til the end. They’re only a game over .500 but I thought they’d be in a nose dive by now.

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Shit, 8 straight! 1 game under .500 never felt so good! Does anyone out there think the Blue Jays have legitimately turned the corner and become the team many predicted they’d be before the season or, do you think they will fall back to where they’ve been for most of the season? At least they are legitimately back into the wildcard discussion now.

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[quote]CMdad wrote:
Shit, 8 straight! 1 game under .500 never felt so good! Does anyone out there think the Blue Jays have legitimately turned the corner and become the team many predicted they’d be before the season or, do you think they will fall back to where they’ve been for most of the season? At least they are legitimately back into the wildcard discussion now.[/quote]

I’m excited but trying to keep my hopes tempered…

Remember too that we are doing this with an under-performing Dickey, no Reyes, no Morrow, no Lawrie.