Is Clay Buchholz in the midst of one of the best starts by a pitcher in baseball history?
He holding on to a 1.01 ERA right now (the most important metric). I’ve never seen an ERA that low before, crazy…
[quote]rugbgod wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]rugbgod wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The Reyes injury + Melky’s non performance has basically killed the Jays offense.
They just hit solo shots.
This month is going to make or break the Jays. If they don’t play above .500 baseball this month, they’re done.[/quote]
According to an article I read this morning, going back 10 years, the highest that a team finished that was last in the AL East after 32 games was third. And that was the '07 Jays.
Even Dan Plesac is about to jump off the bandwagon. It’s not looking good for the Jays at all.
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Yeah I’ve already said this start is troubling. The argument we’re having is over Dickey.
Secondly I don’t consider the last 10 years to reflect anything going on in the AL East today.
The Yankees and Red Sox were absolutely stacked during that period. Each of them were fielding all star calibre lineups.
Talent level this year is only a fraction of what it once was[/quote]
Oh, I didn’t know that I couldn’t talk about other, related aspects of baseball. I mean, this is the baseball thread and all.
And I find it very interesting that a total numbers guy like you wants to discard what the numbers say when they show that it doesn’t look good for your team.
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Lol. What, you didn’t know? Sample sizes are too small when they dispel whatever bullshit argument Raj is trying to make and when they’re more than large enough, they aren’t relevant because they go back too far or whatever.
[quote]rugbgod wrote:
Oh, I didn’t know that I couldn’t talk about other, related aspects of baseball. I mean, this is the baseball thread and all. [/quote]
Huh?
[quote]rugbgod wrote:
And I find it very interesting that a total numbers guy like you wants to discard what the numbers say when they show that it doesn’t look good for your team.
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If you were under the impression I support any and all number based arguments, you are sorely mistaken. It’s not that I have a problem with arguments against my team, it’s the fact the numbers you chose do not mean a whole lot. I explained why.
There are plenty of meaningful numbers to support the idea the Jays are in trouble, I’m sure you’ll do better on your second try.
On another note, The Phils vs Giants game. Madison Bumgarner getting shelled.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The Yankees and Red Sox were absolutely stacked during that period. Each of them were fielding all star calibre lineups.[/quote]
caliber
[quote]therajraj wrote:
On another note, The Phils vs Giants game. Madison Bumgarner getting shelled.
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Well, you’re certainly an expert on spotting that aren’t you, what with RA Dickey taking his turn every fifth day up there in No Man’s Land, aka northeastern Canada.
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The Yankees and Red Sox were absolutely stacked during that period. Each of them were fielding all star calibre lineups.[/quote]
caliber
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Nope, it’s correct.
I write my posts in Canadian English.
Yes it exists.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
On another note, The Phils vs Giants game. Madison Bumgarner getting shelled.
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Well, you’re certainly an expert on spotting that aren’t you, what with RA Dickey taking his turn every fifth day up there in No Man’s Land, aka northeastern Canada.[/quote]
It was on TV.
Toronto is in the Southern region.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
If you ever sat through an extra-inning night game on a Tuesday in Candlestick Park you wouldn’t call us Giants fans undeserving. Barry Bonds was reviled here in the Bay Area and still is. Unfortunately, the only 42,000 people who liked him happened to show up at the ballpark each night. If you want to continue talking shit about a team that you’re clearly jealous of, take it over to the appropriate forum for it. [/quote]
For what little its worth, I wouldn’t include you amongst the masses to which I referred. Your background and knowledge of the game is a rare thing amongst the typical, bandwagonish majority.
Meanwhile I’ve got several, smug-as-fuck, Johnny-come-lately-thus-entitled “fans” of SF who suddenly act as if they now know the game. To listen to these clowns explain this past weekend’s sweep as if it has some basis in “baseball logic 101”… look, I’m not saying I know baseball inside and out, but I damn sure know that they don’t.
Hence spoiled and undeserving, and I would argue that this doesn’t describe a small minority neither.
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
If you ever sat through an extra-inning night game on a Tuesday in Candlestick Park you wouldn’t call us Giants fans undeserving. Barry Bonds was reviled here in the Bay Area and still is. Unfortunately, the only 42,000 people who liked him happened to show up at the ballpark each night. If you want to continue talking shit about a team that you’re clearly jealous of, take it over to the appropriate forum for it. [/quote]
For what little its worth, I wouldn’t include you amongst the masses to which I referred. Your background and knowledge of the game is a rare thing amongst the typical, bandwagonish majority.
Meanwhile I’ve got several, smug-as-fuck, Johnny-come-lately-thus-entitled “fans” of SF who suddenly act as if they now know the game. To listen to these clowns explain this past weekend’s sweep as if it has some basis in “baseball logic 101”… look, I’m not saying I know baseball inside and out, but I damn sure know that they don’t.
Hence spoiled and undeserving, and I would argue that this doesn’t describe a small minority neither.
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Actually, it does describe a small majority. Most Giants fans are actually quite knowledgeable, since you’d have to be a pretty big baseball fan to keep coming back to Candlestick Park to watch your favorite team break your heart.
When you win two of the last three World Series and have a team full of outlandish characters, by baseball standards anyways, it’s only natural for the casual fan to jump on the bandwagon. The fact is that the Giants are the sort of team and have the sort of players that attract casual fans. They play the game the right way, they aren’t filled with a bunch of egotistical jerks like the Dodgers, and they play in a major American city. If they were two-time champs but had a team full of prima donnas and played in Kansas City or Toronto no one would really care about them.
Besides, it’s tough not to become a knowledgeable baseball fan when you’ve grown up watching the Giants. They’ve had arguably the two greatest living ballplayers play in SF (Mays and Bonds) and this recent incarnation has featured two teams that were the epitome of fundamental team baseball, led by a great strategist manager in Bruce Bochy. And they have the best announcing group in the majors, so if you’re a fan of the Giants and actually watch or listen to their games regularly, then you are basically being inundated with the best of many aspects of the game. Best ballpark, best announcers, best team two of the last three years, best fundamentals, best pitching (by pitching, I mean the art of pitching, not the best collection of pitchers. This year notwithstanding), best managing, best bullpen utilization, best crowd atmosphere and best garlic fries.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
If you ever sat through an extra-inning night game on a Tuesday in Candlestick Park you wouldn’t call us Giants fans undeserving. Barry Bonds was reviled here in the Bay Area and still is. Unfortunately, the only 42,000 people who liked him happened to show up at the ballpark each night. If you want to continue talking shit about a team that you’re clearly jealous of, take it over to the appropriate forum for it. [/quote]
For what little its worth, I wouldn’t include you amongst the masses to which I referred. Your background and knowledge of the game is a rare thing amongst the typical, bandwagonish majority.
Meanwhile I’ve got several, smug-as-fuck, Johnny-come-lately-thus-entitled “fans” of SF who suddenly act as if they now know the game. To listen to these clowns explain this past weekend’s sweep as if it has some basis in “baseball logic 101”… look, I’m not saying I know baseball inside and out, but I damn sure know that they don’t.
Hence spoiled and undeserving, and I would argue that this doesn’t describe a small minority neither.
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Actually, it does describe a small majority. Most Giants fans are actually quite knowledgeable, since you’d have to be a pretty big baseball fan to keep coming back to Candlestick Park to watch your favorite team break your heart.
When you win two of the last three World Series and have a team full of outlandish characters, by baseball standards anyways, it’s only natural for the casual fan to jump on the bandwagon. The fact is that the Giants are the sort of team and have the sort of players that attract casual fans. They play the game the right way, they aren’t filled with a bunch of egotistical jerks like the Dodgers, and they play in a major American city. If they were two-time champs but had a team full of prima donnas and played in Kansas City or Toronto no one would really care about them.
Besides, it’s tough not to become a knowledgeable baseball fan when you’ve grown up watching the Giants. They’ve had arguably the two greatest living ballplayers play in SF (Mays and Bonds) and this recent incarnation has featured two teams that were the epitome of fundamental team baseball, led by a great strategist manager in Bruce Bochy. And they have the best announcing group in the majors, so if you’re a fan of the Giants and actually watch or listen to their games regularly, then you are basically being inundated with the best of many aspects of the game. Best ballpark, best announcers, best team two of the last three years, best fundamentals, best pitching (by pitching, I mean the art of pitching, not the best collection of pitchers. This year notwithstanding), best managing, best bullpen utilization, best crowd atmosphere and best garlic fries.[/quote]
They’ve had such a great fanbase that they almost moved to Toronto in the 70’s.
Simple answer: Success of a team raises the average baseball IQ of its fanbase.
I would wager that the average Laker and Bulls fan’s IQ is higher than all others in the NBA
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]rugbgod wrote:
Oh, I didn’t know that I couldn’t talk about other, related aspects of baseball. I mean, this is the baseball thread and all. [/quote]
Huh?
[quote]rugbgod wrote:
And I find it very interesting that a total numbers guy like you wants to discard what the numbers say when they show that it doesn’t look good for your team.
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If you were under the impression I support any and all number based arguments, you are sorely mistaken. It’s not that I have a problem with arguments against my team, it’s the fact the numbers you chose do not mean a whole lot. I explained why.
There are plenty of meaningful numbers to support the idea the Jays are in trouble, I’m sure you’ll do better on your second try.
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Ohhh, you got me with that one! How will I ever recover from being zinged by a great keyboard warrior such as yourself? It’s amazing how you think analyzing numbers makes you an expert. Have you ever even played baseball? Get out from behind your computer and give it a try sometime. Otherwise, I’m glad I have you here to confirm for me how much the Jays suck this year.
And hey, take solace in the fact that the Jays were able to come back last night and for one night, help everyone forget just how craptacular your year has been so far. Good for you Jack!
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
If you ever sat through an extra-inning night game on a Tuesday in Candlestick Park you wouldn’t call us Giants fans undeserving. Barry Bonds was reviled here in the Bay Area and still is. Unfortunately, the only 42,000 people who liked him happened to show up at the ballpark each night. If you want to continue talking shit about a team that you’re clearly jealous of, take it over to the appropriate forum for it. [/quote]
For what little its worth, I wouldn’t include you amongst the masses to which I referred. Your background and knowledge of the game is a rare thing amongst the typical, bandwagonish majority.
Meanwhile I’ve got several, smug-as-fuck, Johnny-come-lately-thus-entitled “fans” of SF who suddenly act as if they now know the game. To listen to these clowns explain this past weekend’s sweep as if it has some basis in “baseball logic 101”… look, I’m not saying I know baseball inside and out, but I damn sure know that they don’t.
Hence spoiled and undeserving, and I would argue that this doesn’t describe a small minority neither.
[/quote]
Actually, it does describe a small majority. Most Giants fans are actually quite knowledgeable, since you’d have to be a pretty big baseball fan to keep coming back to Candlestick Park to watch your favorite team break your heart.
When you win two of the last three World Series and have a team full of outlandish characters, by baseball standards anyways, it’s only natural for the casual fan to jump on the bandwagon. The fact is that the Giants are the sort of team and have the sort of players that attract casual fans. They play the game the right way, they aren’t filled with a bunch of egotistical jerks like the Dodgers, and they play in a major American city. If they were two-time champs but had a team full of prima donnas and played in Kansas City or Toronto no one would really care about them.
Besides, it’s tough not to become a knowledgeable baseball fan when you’ve grown up watching the Giants. They’ve had arguably the two greatest living ballplayers play in SF (Mays and Bonds) and this recent incarnation has featured two teams that were the epitome of fundamental team baseball, led by a great strategist manager in Bruce Bochy. And they have the best announcing group in the majors, so if you’re a fan of the Giants and actually watch or listen to their games regularly, then you are basically being inundated with the best of many aspects of the game. Best ballpark, best announcers, best team two of the last three years, best fundamentals, best pitching (by pitching, I mean the art of pitching, not the best collection of pitchers. This year notwithstanding), best managing, best bullpen utilization, best crowd atmosphere and best garlic fries.[/quote]
They’ve had such a great fanbase that they almost moved to Toronto in the 70’s.
Simple answer: Success of a team raises the average baseball IQ of its fanbase.
I would wager that the average Laker and Bulls fan’s IQ is higher than all others in the NBA
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That was a dark time from what I’ve heard. But it was more to do with the shitty state of the stadium, the fanbase’s extreme dislike of the apathetic ownership group and the introduction of Astroturf onto the playing field. Besides, that was also 40 years ago and only held true for a small period of the team’s history in SF. Generally speaking, Giants fans are as ardent and diehard and knowledgeable as any baseball team’s fanbase in the country, and especially so over the last 10 years or so.
edit: sure as hell can’t say the same about the Toronto fanbase.
[quote]rugbgod wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]rugbgod wrote:
Oh, I didn’t know that I couldn’t talk about other, related aspects of baseball. I mean, this is the baseball thread and all. [/quote]
Huh?
[quote]rugbgod wrote:
And I find it very interesting that a total numbers guy like you wants to discard what the numbers say when they show that it doesn’t look good for your team.
[/quote]
If you were under the impression I support any and all number based arguments, you are sorely mistaken. It’s not that I have a problem with arguments against my team, it’s the fact the numbers you chose do not mean a whole lot. I explained why.
There are plenty of meaningful numbers to support the idea the Jays are in trouble, I’m sure you’ll do better on your second try.
[/quote]
Ohhh, you got me with that one! How will I ever recover from being zinged by a great keyboard warrior such as yourself? It’s amazing how you think analyzing numbers makes you an expert. Have you ever even played baseball? Get out from behind your computer and give it a try sometime. Otherwise, I’m glad I have you here to confirm for me how much the Jays suck this year.
And hey, take solace in the fact that the Jays were able to come back last night and for one night, help everyone forget just how craptacular your year has been so far. Good for you Jack![/quote]
Raj hasn’t played a single inning of competitive baseball at any level in his entire life. That is why he resorts to numbers. They are the best way for him to understand the inner workings of the game. Unfortunately for him, he has trouble putting those numbers in their proper context sometimes.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
If you ever sat through an extra-inning night game on a Tuesday in Candlestick Park you wouldn’t call us Giants fans undeserving. Barry Bonds was reviled here in the Bay Area and still is. Unfortunately, the only 42,000 people who liked him happened to show up at the ballpark each night. If you want to continue talking shit about a team that you’re clearly jealous of, take it over to the appropriate forum for it. [/quote]
For what little its worth, I wouldn’t include you amongst the masses to which I referred. Your background and knowledge of the game is a rare thing amongst the typical, bandwagonish majority.
Meanwhile I’ve got several, smug-as-fuck, Johnny-come-lately-thus-entitled “fans” of SF who suddenly act as if they now know the game. To listen to these clowns explain this past weekend’s sweep as if it has some basis in “baseball logic 101”… look, I’m not saying I know baseball inside and out, but I damn sure know that they don’t.
Hence spoiled and undeserving, and I would argue that this doesn’t describe a small minority neither.
[/quote]
Actually, it does describe a small majority. Most Giants fans are actually quite knowledgeable, since you’d have to be a pretty big baseball fan to keep coming back to Candlestick Park to watch your favorite team break your heart.
When you win two of the last three World Series and have a team full of outlandish characters, by baseball standards anyways, it’s only natural for the casual fan to jump on the bandwagon. The fact is that the Giants are the sort of team and have the sort of players that attract casual fans. They play the game the right way, they aren’t filled with a bunch of egotistical jerks like the Dodgers, and they play in a major American city. If they were two-time champs but had a team full of prima donnas and played in Kansas City or Toronto no one would really care about them.
Besides, it’s tough not to become a knowledgeable baseball fan when you’ve grown up watching the Giants. They’ve had arguably the two greatest living ballplayers play in SF (Mays and Bonds) and this recent incarnation has featured two teams that were the epitome of fundamental team baseball, led by a great strategist manager in Bruce Bochy. And they have the best announcing group in the majors, so if you’re a fan of the Giants and actually watch or listen to their games regularly, then you are basically being inundated with the best of many aspects of the game. Best ballpark, best announcers, best team two of the last three years, best fundamentals, best pitching (by pitching, I mean the art of pitching, not the best collection of pitchers. This year notwithstanding), best managing, best bullpen utilization, best crowd atmosphere and best garlic fries.[/quote]
They’ve had such a great fanbase that they almost moved to Toronto in the 70’s.
Simple answer: Success of a team raises the average baseball IQ of its fanbase.
I would wager that the average Laker and Bulls fan’s IQ is higher than all others in the NBA
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Success of a team does raise IQ, to a certain extent. However, I would argue that Warriors fans are as knowledgeable as any fanbase in the NBA and they’ve sucked cock for most of the last 40 years.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Most Giants fans are actually quite knowledgeable, since you’d have to be a pretty big baseball fan to keep coming back to Candlestick Park to watch your favorite team break your heart.[/quote]
Your switching of contexts here isn’t unnoticed. Any fans who even somewhat regularly attended night games at that wind tunnel aren’t the ones I was singling out.
On the other hand, all those yuppies filling up Pac-Bell…
(Btw nice job at working in digs at LAD and TOR, and I’ll concede those garlic fries to SF as well, since being first on that particular trend is no trivial matter (imo)
[quote]rugbgod wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]rugbgod wrote:
Oh, I didn’t know that I couldn’t talk about other, related aspects of baseball. I mean, this is the baseball thread and all. [/quote]
Huh?
[quote]rugbgod wrote:
And I find it very interesting that a total numbers guy like you wants to discard what the numbers say when they show that it doesn’t look good for your team.
[/quote]
If you were under the impression I support any and all number based arguments, you are sorely mistaken. It’s not that I have a problem with arguments against my team, it’s the fact the numbers you chose do not mean a whole lot. I explained why.
There are plenty of meaningful numbers to support the idea the Jays are in trouble, I’m sure you’ll do better on your second try.
[/quote]
Ohhh, you got me with that one! How will I ever recover from being zinged by a great keyboard warrior such as yourself? It’s amazing how you think analyzing numbers makes you an expert. Have you ever even played baseball? Get out from behind your computer and give it a try sometime. Otherwise, I’m glad I have you here to confirm for me how much the Jays suck this year.
And hey, take solace in the fact that the Jays were able to come back last night and for one night, help everyone forget just how craptacular your year has been so far. Good for you Jack![/quote]
Dude, I explained to you very politely why I didn’t agree with what you presented and for whatever reason you became defensive.
If you’re here to post comments only to be patted on the back for your opinions, you’re not in the right thread.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Generally speaking, Giants fans are as ardent and diehard and knowledgeable as any baseball team’s fanbase in the country, and especially so over the last 10 years or so.
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Quite honestly, this surprises me. I would’ve figured most SF Giants fans would not have time to regularly watch baseball. Too busy trying to figure out which gender they belong to.
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Most Giants fans are actually quite knowledgeable, since you’d have to be a pretty big baseball fan to keep coming back to Candlestick Park to watch your favorite team break your heart.[/quote]
Your switching of contexts here isn’t unnoticed. Any fans who even somewhat regularly attended night games at that wind tunnel aren’t the ones I was singling out.
On the other hand, all those yuppies filling up Pac-Bell…
(Btw nice job at working in digs at LAD and TOR, and I’ll concede those garlic fries to SF as well, since being first on that particular trend is no trivial matter (imo)
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There are yuppies at every ballpark. The Giants’ ballpark happens to be just south of the Financial District in SF, where a lot of “yuppies” work. Forgive them for having well-paying jobs and coming to the ballpark after work to enjoy some baseball at the most beautiful stadium in the country. Jesus, since when did having a fanbase with some fucking money in their pocket turn into a bad thing?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Generally speaking, Giants fans are as ardent and diehard and knowledgeable as any baseball team’s fanbase in the country, and especially so over the last 10 years or so.
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Quite honestly, this surprises me. I would’ve figured most SF Giants fans would not have time to regularly watch baseball. Too busy trying to figure out which gender they belong to.[/quote]
Your level of ignorance and bigotry never ceases to amaze me. It’s not a whole different than if I asked you every time you made some comment about baseball if your particular caste allowed for watching sporting events.