[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Man, I thought the Blue Jays were definitely an over-hyped team but I didn’t they suck THIS bad. Second worst record in the bigs. Wow. They sure suck cock.[/quote]
Still early.
This start is concerning though
They’re 2.5 games back of the Rays… Which is basically what matters by years end.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Man, I thought the Blue Jays were definitely an over-hyped team but I didn’t they suck THIS bad. Second worst record in the bigs. Wow. They sure suck cock.[/quote]
Still early.
This start is concerning though [/quote]
They’re in a pretty tough division and so far, they clearly look like the worst team in it, especially after Reyes’ injury. Never too early to face the reality of the situation. Dickey has looked beatable, Johnson has somehow lost his effectiveness and I’m still not sold on his ability to stay healthy, Buerhle has been getting shelled, if Happ hadn’t been in the NL earlier I’d probably never have even heard of him, and Morrow looks like he’s found his 2011 form.
They don’t have any healthy players hitting anywhere near .300 and quite frankly, I’m not sure more than one or two of them is really capable of hitting that well anyways. I don’t think Rasmus has ever done so, Cabrera looks like he was a testosterone-enhanced fraud, Bautista is hitting home runs and nothing else, Lawrie has zero track record of success in the majors that’s worth hanging your hat on, and a lot of the preseason hype surrounding them was based on the assumption that at least a couple of the others not mentioned thus far would have career years. That doesn’t look it’s going to happen now.
Rajai Davis couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat, same with Arencibia, Lind, Kawasaki and Izturis. Maybe their best hitter from last year in Encarnacion is strikeout prone, Bautista will probably not play more than 140 games at most this year and Bonifacio is a slap-happy fraud.
Nope. It’s never too early to declare a poor team out of it.
Dickey - He’s been really good except for one start where he was shelled. Not worried about him at all.
Rasmus - He’s started selling out contact for power. He’s turning into a walk/strikeout/home run type producer + above average CF defense. I’m fine with that.
Melky - I think the storyline no one is talking about is his suspension has lead to rust. I don’t expect last year’s performance but do expect him to produce.
Lawrie - He’s an elite defensive 3B already (insanely good). This is only his second year in the league he’s like 22. Not sure what to expect with the bat thus far, but he missed spring training with an injury so he’s just now turning it around.
Rajai Davis - He’s a bench player
Lind - Agreed
Kawasaki - He’s a fill in for Reyes, not supposed to be good just solid defensively
Bonifacio/Izturis - They both blow.
Encarnacion - There’s nothing you can criticise him about
Bautista - 140-150 games is fine with me.
Morrow - He always sucks in April, notorious slow starter
Buehrle - he sucks
Happ - He’s the 6th starter. He was a high end prospect only a few years ago, not sure why you hadn’t heard of him. When Halladay was on the trade block, Happ was the starter the Phillies were unwilling to deal.
What’s really killed them? Their defense actually, Bonifacio, Izturis and Arencibia have been god awful . That combined with the bats just starting to wake up now slowly a bunch of bad luck has hurt them.
I’d be worried if Tampa was off to a good start, but they’re below .500 too. Yankees won’t continue, their lineup is awful.
Boston is the only unknown really. While they will not continue this torrid pace they do have a bunch of decent veterans who can have career years. If Bucholz and Lester become legit 1 and 2’s well then it’s not looking good.
Also: it’s looking like Vogelsong and Zito will be pitching in Toronto.
Was really hoping for a Dickey/Cain game.
Hopefully it happens in SF in June.
I kinda hope you go to that game if they do.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
What’s really killed them? Their defense actually, Bonifacio, Izturis and Arencibia have been god awful . That combined with the bats just starting to wake up now slowly a bunch of bad luck has hurt them.
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Also: More evidence that the game is played up the middle. SS, 2B and C defense has been atrocious.
The yankees lineup has far exceeded expectations, and Granderson is due back shortly and Tex in a month, when and if some of these guys slow down the reinforcements will be there. Blue Jays, are overhyped and the yanks demise was greatly exaggerated. I certainly don’t want to here about injuries either because half of the Yankees are on the DL, so its no excuse.
RA dickey has not been “really” good your fucking nuts, he has been extremely pedestrian for your so called “ace” but wont admit it…28 strikeouts in 36 innings a 4.50 era and 2-4 is not really good. I would expect Dickey to be like this the rest of the year.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The yankees lineup has far exceeded expectations, and Granderson is due back shortly and Tex in a month, when and if some of these guys slow down the reinforcements will be there. Blue Jays, are overhyped and the yanks demise was greatly exaggerated. I certainly don’t want to here about injuries either because half of the Yankees are on the DL, so its no excuse.
RA dickey has not been “really” good your fucking nuts, he has been extremely pedestrian for your so called “ace” but wont admit it…28 strikeouts in 36 innings a 4.50 era and 2-4 is not really good. I would expect Dickey to be like this the rest of the year.[/quote]
Right that’s what happens with one horrendous game and only one month into the season.
Pitchers have no control over wins so pitching wins are meaningless.
I mean, did you see him pitch against the Yankees?
RA Dickey so far
@ Yankees 7IP, 3 ER
@ BAL 6IP 4ER
@ CHW 6IP 0 ER
@ KAN 6.1IP 1ER
@BOS 4.2IP 7ER - he sucked bad
@CLE 6IP 3ER - 2 of the runs were as a result of passed balls.
Soooo 1 terrible start, one mediocre start and the rest were good. Results do not reflect performance in a small sample size.
Too much AL East chatter in here
I get enough of that from sports media already.
Seriously, is the ever a yankees red sox game that isn’t on national TV?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The yankees lineup has far exceeded expectations, and Granderson is due back shortly and Tex in a month, when and if some of these guys slow down the reinforcements will be there. Blue Jays, are overhyped and the yanks demise was greatly exaggerated. I certainly don’t want to here about injuries either because half of the Yankees are on the DL, so its no excuse.
RA dickey has not been “really” good your fucking nuts, he has been extremely pedestrian for your so called “ace” but wont admit it…28 strikeouts in 36 innings a 4.50 era and 2-4 is not really good. I would expect Dickey to be like this the rest of the year.[/quote]
Right that’s what happens with one horrendous game and only one month into the season.
Pitchers have no control over wins so pitching wins are meaningless.
I mean, did you see him pitch against the Yankees?[/quote]
Which is why I put that last, as it doesent mean much other than to compound my point that he has been a disappointment. Of course I have seen the game against the yankees especially when retreads like Overbay and Boesch smacked homers against him. I mean an ace can’t lose to this shit lineup of the Yankees.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
RA Dickey so far
@ Yankees 7IP, 3 ER
@ BAL 6IP 4ER
@ CHW 6IP 0 ER
@ KAN 6.1IP 1ER
@BOS 4.2IP 7ER - he sucked bad
@CLE 6IP 3ER - 2 of the runs were as a result of passed balls.
Soooo 1 terrible start, one mediocre start and the rest were good. Results do not reflect performance in a small sample size.[/quote]
Yeah but when your starter has only finished the 7th once this year you have to factor bullpen in bigtime.
Plus I think he was just getting evaluated for a possible neck injury.
Also I don’t think knuckelballers have the luxury of excusing passed balls, kind of have to accept that with the pitching style.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
RA Dickey so far
@ Yankees 7IP, 3 ER
@ BAL 6IP 4ER
@ CHW 6IP 0 ER
@ KAN 6.1IP 1ER
@BOS 4.2IP 7ER - he sucked bad
@CLE 6IP 3ER - 2 of the runs were as a result of passed balls.
Soooo 1 terrible start, one mediocre start and the rest were good. Results do not reflect performance in a small sample size.[/quote]
If he would have dazzled in the beginning you wouldn’t bring up small sample size. But I will defer to you, when does the sample size become big enough to come to a decision as to whether he is having a good / great / shitty year or not.
[quote]Anonymity wrote:
Too much AL East chatter in here
I get enough of that from sports media already.
Seriously, is the ever a yankees red sox game that isn’t on national TV?[/quote]
no
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The yankees lineup has far exceeded expectations, and Granderson is due back shortly and Tex in a month, when and if some of these guys slow down the reinforcements will be there. Blue Jays, are overhyped and the yanks demise was greatly exaggerated. I certainly don’t want to here about injuries either because half of the Yankees are on the DL, so its no excuse.
RA dickey has not been “really” good your fucking nuts, he has been extremely pedestrian for your so called “ace” but wont admit it…28 strikeouts in 36 innings a 4.50 era and 2-4 is not really good. I would expect Dickey to be like this the rest of the year.[/quote]
Right that’s what happens with one horrendous game and only one month into the season.
Pitchers have no control over wins so pitching wins are meaningless.
I mean, did you see him pitch against the Yankees?[/quote]
Which is why I put that last, as it doesent mean much other than to compound my point that he has been a disappointment. Of course I have seen the game against the yankees especially when retreads like Overbay and Boesch smacked homers against him. I mean an ace can’t lose to this shit lineup of the Yankees. [/quote]
So because shitty players homered off him, it therefore is a bad start to you? What about the good hitters in the lineup he dominated like Cano? How does that fact work into your calculations?
He gave up 4 hits in 7 innings 1BB and 4K. That’s a good outing no matter how you slice it.
[quote]Anonymity wrote:
Yeah but when your starter has only finished the 7th once this year you have to factor bullpen in bigtime.
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Same is true for Matt Cain. Strasburg’s only done it twice.
Not sure how the bullpen factors into Dickey’s performance. You mean runner’s LOB when he’s taken out? But that’s true for any SP.
[quote]Anonymity wrote:
Plus I think he was just getting evaluated for a possible neck injury.[/quote]
He is and he’s been pitching hurt. I’m not worried though, he pitched all of last season with a torn abdominal muscle which required surgery and he won the Cy Young.
[quote]Anonymity wrote:
Also I don’t think knuckelballers have the luxury of excusing passed balls, kind of have to accept that with the pitching style.[/quote]
Fair to a point. But his catcher, especially the first start was horrendous.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
RA Dickey so far
@ Yankees 7IP, 3 ER
@ BAL 6IP 4ER
@ CHW 6IP 0 ER
@ KAN 6.1IP 1ER
@BOS 4.2IP 7ER - he sucked bad
@CLE 6IP 3ER - 2 of the runs were as a result of passed balls.
Soooo 1 terrible start, one mediocre start and the rest were good. Results do not reflect performance in a small sample size.[/quote]
If he would have dazzled in the beginning you wouldn’t bring up small sample size. But I will defer to you, when does the sample size become big enough to come to a decision as to whether he is having a good / great / shitty year or not.[/quote]
I wouldn’t bring it up for the simple fact he’s had 3 good straight years. If Sabbathia stunk in April it would be meaningless to me. Matt Cain has been atrocious, but I don’t expect him to suck.
I would say the end of May/beginning of June you can start saying it’s no longer a slow start and is a bad year?
If the Jays don’t play well in May, I’m pretty much going to agree they’re going to suck this year.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The yankees lineup has far exceeded expectations, and Granderson is due back shortly and Tex in a month, when and if some of these guys slow down the reinforcements will be there. Blue Jays, are overhyped and the yanks demise was greatly exaggerated. I certainly don’t want to here about injuries either because half of the Yankees are on the DL, so its no excuse.
RA dickey has not been “really” good your fucking nuts, he has been extremely pedestrian for your so called “ace” but wont admit it…28 strikeouts in 36 innings a 4.50 era and 2-4 is not really good. I would expect Dickey to be like this the rest of the year.[/quote]
Right that’s what happens with one horrendous game and only one month into the season.
Pitchers have no control over wins so pitching wins are meaningless.
I mean, did you see him pitch against the Yankees?[/quote]
Which is why I put that last, as it doesent mean much other than to compound my point that he has been a disappointment. Of course I have seen the game against the yankees especially when retreads like Overbay and Boesch smacked homers against him. I mean an ace can’t lose to this shit lineup of the Yankees. [/quote]
So because shitty players homered off him, it therefore is a bad start to you? What about the good hitters in the lineup he dominated like Cano? How does that fact work into your calculations?
He gave up 4 hits in 7 innings 1BB and 4K. That’s a good outing no matter how you slice it.
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No matter how you slice it, his ERA is still more than a full run below Zito’s at 4.50 to 3.29.
Zito’s game log thus far:
7 IP 0 runs 3 hits
7 IP 0 runs 7 hits
2.2 IP 9 runs 8 hits
7 IP 0 runs 5 hits
3.2 IP 1 run (5 unearned) 6 hits
ok fair enough