[quote]therajraj wrote:
Also Aaron Hill is only 2 seasons removed from a Silver Slugger season. [/quote]
And Kelly Johnson is only one season removed from a .284/.370/.496 season with 26 homers.
As Bad as Johnson’s been this year, he’s been a little better than Hill. slightly higher OBP, way higher slugging (.412 vs .313, 18hr vs 6hr). With the AL-NL transition they may even out.
From what I’ve read, basically TOR knew they weren’t re-signing Hill and were afraid of him accepting arbitration, so they decided to give Johnson a shot to see if they like him.[/quote]
Even though the number don’t show it, I would put Hill and Johnson on the same level power wise. I doubt the Dbacks will lose much offensively with Hill, if not gain.[/quote]
The question there is do you believe the Hill from 2005-2008 and 2011, or the Hill from 2009-2010… two very different players in terms of power.[/quote]
Well he better hope it is 2005-08 & 11 because if not, we’ll ship him out too.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Also Aaron Hill is only 2 seasons removed from a Silver Slugger season. [/quote]
And Kelly Johnson is only one season removed from a .284/.370/.496 season with 26 homers.
As Bad as Johnson’s been this year, he’s been a little better than Hill. slightly higher OBP, way higher slugging (.412 vs .313, 18hr vs 6hr). With the AL-NL transition they may even out.
From what I’ve read, basically TOR knew they weren’t re-signing Hill and were afraid of him accepting arbitration, so they decided to give Johnson a shot to see if they like him.[/quote]
Even though the number don’t show it, I would put Hill and Johnson on the same level power wise. I doubt the Dbacks will lose much offensively with Hill, if not gain.[/quote]
The question there is do you believe the Hill from 2005-2008 and 2011, or the Hill from 2009-2010… two very different players in terms of power.[/quote]
Well he better hope it is 2005-08 & 11 because if not, we’ll ship him out too.[/quote]
Why the hell would you want 2011 Aaron Hill? It’s probably his worst year of all.
I don’t think you’re going to ship him out, the 2nd basemen pool of free agents is pretty thin, if you need proof of that Aaron Hill will likely finish the season with type B free agent status.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Why the hell would you want 2011 Aaron Hill? It’s probably his worst year of all.
I don’t think you’re going to ship him out, the 2nd basemen pool of free agents is pretty thin, if you need proof of that Aaron Hill will likely finish the season with type B free agent status.
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True, I was just copying what the dude above me said.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Why the hell would you want 2011 Aaron Hill? It’s probably his worst year of all.
I don’t think you’re going to ship him out, the 2nd basemen pool of free agents is pretty thin, if you need proof of that Aaron Hill will likely finish the season with type B free agent status.
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True, I was just copying what the dude above me said.[/quote]
Don’t blame me… I think you assumed 2005-2008/2011 Hill was the good one. But 2009-2010 Hill was really the good one.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Why the hell would you want 2011 Aaron Hill? It’s probably his worst year of all.
I don’t think you’re going to ship him out, the 2nd basemen pool of free agents is pretty thin, if you need proof of that Aaron Hill will likely finish the season with type B free agent status.
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True, I was just copying what the dude above me said.[/quote]
Don’t blame me… I think you assumed 2005-2008/2011 Hill was the good one. But 2009-2010 Hill was really the good one.[/quote]
Hold on let me check something.
Edit: You’re right, I totally screwed that up. I knew 09-10 was the good one, too. I feel like an idiot.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Setting your team loyalties aside, who is going to win it?
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Nationals take the NL East[/quote]
I meant 2011, not 2030[/quote]
Pardon me for not being so pessimistic that I change my avatar to a vision of my team’s namesake lying dead on the ground.[/quote]
Well I guess it’s possible, the Nationals do have a few pretty good pieces in Zimmerman, Morse, Lannan and hopefully one day Strausburg. I’m probably leaving out other players but those are the ones I know off the top of my head.
Even if the Phillies significantly decline in a couple seasons (which I think they will), there is still the Braves to contend with. At this point I can’t see the Nationals getting into the post season for at least 3 years. Can you see them getting in any earlier?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Setting your team loyalties aside, who is going to win it?
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Nationals take the NL East[/quote]
I meant 2011, not 2030[/quote]
Pardon me for not being so pessimistic that I change my avatar to a vision of my team’s namesake lying dead on the ground.[/quote]
Well I guess it’s possible, the Nationals do have a few pretty good pieces in Zimmerman, Morse, Lannan and hopefully one day Strausburg. I’m probably leaving out other players but those are the ones I know off the top of my head.
Even if the Phillies significantly decline in a couple seasons (which I think they will), there is still the Braves to contend with. At this point I can’t see the Nationals getting into the post season for 3+ years. Can you see them getting in any earlier? [/quote]
If they make some shrewd signings they can contend for a wild card slot in 2013-ish. Strasburg and Zimmermann (Jordan not Ryan) can be a very good 1-2 punch in the rotation, with Lannan as a solid 3/4 guy, they only need a couple vets (or Alex Meyer, this year’s 23rd overall pick) to fill out the rotation.
I like a lineup with Zimmerman, Morse, Bryce Harper and maybe Werth hitting 3 thru 6. Either Desmond or Espinosa will probably develop into an above-average middle infielder but probably not both. Between Ramos, Flores and Derek Norris we will probably have 1 solid above-average catcher emerge.
I see the Phillies falling off. Howard is already showing signs of aging, Utley can’t stay on the diamond and will only get older, Oswalt has chronic back problems which never get better with age, and their offense is really anemic without much help on the way.
[quote]fnf wrote:
Since NYY and Boston have their 1st basemen, who’s another team that could afford 25+mil for about 7yrs or so? I think the Los Angeles Angels.
I know the Giants wouldn’t bid for him, but do you think the dimensions of AT&T park keep power hitters from signing there?[/quote]
Meh, good hitters will be successful anywhere, Prince Fielder plays in a neutral park and hits very well there. But I know Brian Sabean believes in making the least productive players on the team the best paid so I doubt he would sign Fielder.
[quote]fnf wrote:
Since NYY and Boston have their 1st basemen, who’s another team that could afford 25+mil for about 7yrs or so? I think the Los Angeles Angels.
I know the Giants wouldn’t bid for him, but do you think the dimensions of AT&T park keep power hitters from signing there?[/quote]
Partially, but I also think the Giants aren’t going to be dumping a lot of money into a big left-handed bat anytime soon simply because the value isn’t the same at AT&T for a hitter like that. They’d do better with two hitters who can hit for high average and are gap-to-gap guys with a lot of speed in that park, especially if they also happen to be really good defensive outfielders.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
So scj119, where do you see Prince Fielder signing in the offseason?[/quote]
I would love it, but I’m not sure what type of cash the Nats want to spend yet. They offered a lot to Teix, but then they gave that money to Werth, I’m not sure if they’re willing to have 2 players near $20M or if they can only afford one.
That being said the Lerners have a history of being stingy and given how horribly the Werth signing has panned out, I’m leaning towards “no offer” on Prince.
[quote]fnf wrote:
Since NYY and Boston have their 1st basemen, who’s another team that could afford 25+mil for about 7yrs or so? I think the Los Angeles Angels.
I know the Giants wouldn’t bid for him, but do you think the dimensions of AT&T park keep power hitters from signing there?[/quote]
Meh, good hitters will be successful anywhere, Prince Fielder plays in a neutral park and hits very well there. But I know Brian Sabean believes in making the least productive players on the team the best paid so I doubt he would sign Fielder.[/quote]
Of course good hitters can be successful anywhere, but I’d think they would prefer a park that can pad their stats a bit more.
[quote]fnf wrote:
Since NYY and Boston have their 1st basemen, who’s another team that could afford 25+mil for about 7yrs or so? I think the Los Angeles Angels.
I know the Giants wouldn’t bid for him, but do you think the dimensions of AT&T park keep power hitters from signing there?[/quote]
Meh, good hitters will be successful anywhere, Prince Fielder plays in a neutral park and hits very well there. But I know Brian Sabean believes in making the least productive players on the team the best paid so I doubt he would sign Fielder.[/quote]
Of course good hitters can be successful anywhere, but I’d think they would prefer a park that can pad their stats a bit more.[/quote]
The Angels have been named in virtually every big name free agent rumor mill as a possible destination because of their money… and they never sign ANYONE.
Plus they just took Vernon Wells’s contract for some unknown reason so they presumably have even less cash to spend.