[quote]eeu743 wrote:
Yea well I wasn’t reading this in April so boo hoo.
And I wouldn’t tag team Hallowed with Brian Wilson…she’s almost as old as my mom![/quote]
Wwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttttttt???
Meh, I’m way ambivalent to steroid-users. For one, we’ll never know who all did it, so it’s pointless to guess how much it help, or retroactively punish people. We’re punishing them for admitting to it, not for DOING it - plenty of people did it without punishment. Of course, I’m talking more about people like McGwire, as Bonds continues to lie. But as far as the Hall of Fame debates, I refuse to hold something against someone without having any clue how many others did it.
Secondly, like 80% of the “old-timers” (pre-steroid era) players I’ve heard interviewed said they would’ve done it back then too. That’s just what happens in the highest level of competition.
Third, why does NO ONE care about the well-known, rampant amphetamine use in the 80s - but they care about steroids? I don’t get it.
And fourth - if you told me I could take an illegal pill that would make me the best at my job and triple my salary…sorry, but I’d do it.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Drug addiction and verbal abuse is HARDLY analogous to what Bonds has done. Besides, if you knew anything about musicians who have taken drugs you’d know that their music usually takes a serious downturn when the drug use escalates. Miles Davis between 1973-1975, Led Zeppelin’s last 2 albums, the last couple albums by The Doors, David Bowie’s late 70’s music and even the good Ol’ Dirty Bastard, to name a few. It hardly enhances it. If Amy Winehouse were alive, I’m sure she’d agree. [/quote]
You’re selectively choosing with your musicians - Dr. Dre - The Chronic? The Beatles - Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds? 50 Cent - Get Rich or Die trying? Plenty of musicians created several of their popular pieces of work on drugs. What about musical artists who sold drugs? I like Eazy E, is it wrong to listen to him?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
My analogy should hit closer to home BECAUSE it isn’t quite analogous to the Bonds scenario. You wouldn’t respect the co-worker, someone you actually know, so why would you respect the accomplishments of a total stranger?
As far as the actors and music thing goes, there is another HUGE difference. We don’t actively root for actors and musicians like we do with athletes. Besides, are you a fan of anything that Mel Gibson has put out lately, or will you go to his movies in the future and cheer him when he appears onscreen? What Gibson has done is FAR more analogous to what Bonds did than what may be nothing more than an isolated incident on Bale’s part, which he apologized for directly to the person he berated immediately afterwards.
[/quote]
Why does it matter if we don’t openly root for actors? What does that have to do with anything? If Mel Gibson came out with a new movie I wouldn’t have any qualms about watching it simply because he is a bad person IRL.
Why are you giving Bale the benefit of the doubt? Why are you assuming it was just an isolated incident? It sounds like you’re just selectively choosing what you want to believe. Either way there are plenty of examples of actors/musicians who have done questionable things in their personal lives
Bill Murray beat his wife it wasn’t just verbal abuse.
Chris Brown beat Rihanna, do I have to boycott his music too?
What about Wesley Snipes? He’s incarcerated as we speak.
I worked security for the Live 8 concert in 2005 and I was told not to speak to Dan Akroyd if I saw him because he didn’t want to talk to guys working security. I consider him an asshole, but I couldn’t care less, if I want to watch his movies his personality IRL will not hold me back from doing so.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
All I’m saying is that Bonds crossed that line for me and in some way I feel ashamed of myself for ever brushing it aside in the first place. I have no problem saying that if I were at a game and Bonds was introduced to the crowd I would boo him mercilessly. He certainly isn’t the type of person I would want anyone I cared about hanging around, and certainly not my daughter or mother or sister. I’m not denying that he’s a great athlete, but he’s also a horrible human being on a level that Christian Bale or Bill Murray or drug-addled musicians don’t even begin to approach, and his athletic achievements are tainted by his cheating.[/quote]
The fact of the matter is many actors, musicians and athletes aren’t good people in real life and if I were to hold some arbitrary standard that I should not watch, listen to, or cheer for people that perform questionable acts I would be left with very few people’s work to enjoy.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Drug addiction and verbal abuse is HARDLY analogous to what Bonds has done. Besides, if you knew anything about musicians who have taken drugs you’d know that their music usually takes a serious downturn when the drug use escalates. Miles Davis between 1973-1975, Led Zeppelin’s last 2 albums, the last couple albums by The Doors, David Bowie’s late 70’s music and even the good Ol’ Dirty Bastard, to name a few. It hardly enhances it. If Amy Winehouse were alive, I’m sure she’d agree. [/quote]
You’re selectively choosing with your musicians - Dr. Dre - The Chronic? The Beatles - Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds? 50 Cent - Get Rich or Die trying? Plenty of musicians created several of their popular pieces of work on drugs. What about musical artists who sold drugs? I like Eazy E, is it wrong to listen to him?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
My analogy should hit closer to home BECAUSE it isn’t quite analogous to the Bonds scenario. You wouldn’t respect the co-worker, someone you actually know, so why would you respect the accomplishments of a total stranger?
As far as the actors and music thing goes, there is another HUGE difference. We don’t actively root for actors and musicians like we do with athletes. Besides, are you a fan of anything that Mel Gibson has put out lately, or will you go to his movies in the future and cheer him when he appears onscreen? What Gibson has done is FAR more analogous to what Bonds did than what may be nothing more than an isolated incident on Bale’s part, which he apologized for directly to the person he berated immediately afterwards.
[/quote]
Why does it matter if we don’t openly root for actors? What does that have to do with anything? If Mel Gibson came out with a new movie I wouldn’t have any qualms about watching it simply because he is a bad person IRL.
Why are you giving Bale the benefit of the doubt? Why are you assuming it was just an isolated incident? It sounds like you’re just selectively choosing what you want to believe. Either way there are plenty of examples of actors/musicians who have done questionable things in their personal lives
Bill Murray beat his wife it wasn’t just verbal abuse.
Chris Brown beat Rihanna, do I have to boycott his music too?
What about Wesley Snipes? He’s incarcerated as we speak.
I worked security for the Live 8 concert in 2005 and I was told not to speak to Dan Akroyd if I saw him because he didn’t want to talk to guys working security. I consider him an asshole, but I couldn’t care less, if I want to watch his movies his personality IRL will not hold me back from doing so.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
All I’m saying is that Bonds crossed that line for me and in some way I feel ashamed of myself for ever brushing it aside in the first place. I have no problem saying that if I were at a game and Bonds was introduced to the crowd I would boo him mercilessly. He certainly isn’t the type of person I would want anyone I cared about hanging around, and certainly not my daughter or mother or sister. I’m not denying that he’s a great athlete, but he’s also a horrible human being on a level that Christian Bale or Bill Murray or drug-addled musicians don’t even begin to approach, and his athletic achievements are tainted by his cheating.[/quote]
The fact of the matter is many actors, musicians and athletes aren’t good people in real life and if I were to hold some arbitrary standard that I should not watch, listen to, or cheer for people that perform questionable acts I would be left with very few people’s work to enjoy.
[/quote]
First off, I had no clue that Murray was a wife-beater.
The fact of the matter is that YES, I do choose to boycott certain things based on who has produced them. I don’t use Google at all because of their complicity in the Chinese govt’s systematic denial of access to basic information for their citizens.
I’ve never heard a single song by Chris Brown, but given what I know about him, I never will shell out money for his music.
Dan Akroyd’s a dick. Big deal. Bale might be a habitual verbal abuser. Big deal. Wesley Snipes is guilty of tax evasion. Big deal. You’re missing my point here. At some point, there is a line that people cross in terms of how much a dick they are. I’m not going to boycott shit because the guy is an asshole. But I will surely boycott something produced by a habitual woman-beater, pedophile or murderer. Or rapist. I won’t watch shit with Mike Tyson in it for the most part. I condemned Barack Obama for his association with Bill Ayers. I choose not to watch Roman Polanski’s films anymore, aside from Chinatown which is in my top 10 favorite films for longer than I’ve actually known who Polanski was, because he’s a wanted pedophile.
I draw a line in the sand and when people cross it, I’m done with them. I know it sounds hard to fathom coming from me, but I have certain principles and I stand by them. You’re incessant habit of equating verbal abuse with the atrocities that Bonds has committed, combined with the fact that his on-field accomplishments are largely tainted due to cheating, is totally bogus. Verbal abuse is on one side of the line, beating helpless women on a regular basis is on the other. Where’s your line in the sand drawn, Raj? And what is on either side of it? Don’t you have principles that you stand by, even when to do so may not be popular or easily understandable by others?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Drug addiction and verbal abuse is HARDLY analogous to what Bonds has done. Besides, if you knew anything about musicians who have taken drugs you’d know that their music usually takes a serious downturn when the drug use escalates. Miles Davis between 1973-1975, Led Zeppelin’s last 2 albums, the last couple albums by The Doors, David Bowie’s late 70’s music and even the good Ol’ Dirty Bastard, to name a few. It hardly enhances it. If Amy Winehouse were alive, I’m sure she’d agree. [/quote]
You’re selectively choosing with your musicians - Dr. Dre - The Chronic? The Beatles - Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds? 50 Cent - Get Rich or Die trying? Plenty of musicians created several of their popular pieces of work on drugs. What about musical artists who sold drugs? I like Eazy E, is it wrong to listen to him?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
My analogy should hit closer to home BECAUSE it isn’t quite analogous to the Bonds scenario. You wouldn’t respect the co-worker, someone you actually know, so why would you respect the accomplishments of a total stranger?
As far as the actors and music thing goes, there is another HUGE difference. We don’t actively root for actors and musicians like we do with athletes. Besides, are you a fan of anything that Mel Gibson has put out lately, or will you go to his movies in the future and cheer him when he appears onscreen? What Gibson has done is FAR more analogous to what Bonds did than what may be nothing more than an isolated incident on Bale’s part, which he apologized for directly to the person he berated immediately afterwards.
[/quote]
Why does it matter if we don’t openly root for actors? What does that have to do with anything? If Mel Gibson came out with a new movie I wouldn’t have any qualms about watching it simply because he is a bad person IRL.
Why are you giving Bale the benefit of the doubt? Why are you assuming it was just an isolated incident? It sounds like you’re just selectively choosing what you want to believe. Either way there are plenty of examples of actors/musicians who have done questionable things in their personal lives
Bill Murray beat his wife it wasn’t just verbal abuse.
Chris Brown beat Rihanna, do I have to boycott his music too?
What about Wesley Snipes? He’s incarcerated as we speak.
I worked security for the Live 8 concert in 2005 and I was told not to speak to Dan Akroyd if I saw him because he didn’t want to talk to guys working security. I consider him an asshole, but I couldn’t care less, if I want to watch his movies his personality IRL will not hold me back from doing so.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
All I’m saying is that Bonds crossed that line for me and in some way I feel ashamed of myself for ever brushing it aside in the first place. I have no problem saying that if I were at a game and Bonds was introduced to the crowd I would boo him mercilessly. He certainly isn’t the type of person I would want anyone I cared about hanging around, and certainly not my daughter or mother or sister. I’m not denying that he’s a great athlete, but he’s also a horrible human being on a level that Christian Bale or Bill Murray or drug-addled musicians don’t even begin to approach, and his athletic achievements are tainted by his cheating.[/quote]
The fact of the matter is many actors, musicians and athletes aren’t good people in real life and if I were to hold some arbitrary standard that I should not watch, listen to, or cheer for people that perform questionable acts I would be left with very few people’s work to enjoy.
[/quote]
First off, I had no clue that Murray was a wife-beater.
The fact of the matter is that YES, I do choose to boycott certain things based on who has produced them. I don’t use Google at all because of their complicity in the Chinese govt’s systematic denial of access to basic information for their citizens.
I’ve never heard a single song by Chris Brown, but given what I know about him, I never will shell out money for his music.
Dan Akroyd’s a dick. Big deal. Bale might be a habitual verbal abuser. Big deal. Wesley Snipes is guilty of tax evasion. Big deal. You’re missing my point here. At some point, there is a line that people cross in terms of how much a dick they are. I’m not going to boycott shit because the guy is an asshole. But I will surely boycott something produced by a habitual woman-beater, pedophile or murderer. Or rapist. I won’t watch shit with Mike Tyson in it for the most part. I condemned Barack Obama for his association with Bill Ayers. I choose not to watch Roman Polanski’s films anymore, aside from Chinatown which is in my top 10 favorite films for longer than I’ve actually known who Polanski was, because he’s a wanted pedophile.
I draw a line in the sand and when people cross it, I’m done with them. I know it sounds hard to fathom coming from me, but I have certain principles and I stand by them. You’re incessant habit of equating verbal abuse with the atrocities that Bonds has committed, combined with the fact that his on-field accomplishments are largely tainted due to cheating, is totally bogus. Verbal abuse is on one side of the line, beating helpless women on a regular basis is on the other. Where’s your line in the sand drawn, Raj? And what is on either side of it? Don’t you have principles that you stand by, even when to do so may not be popular or easily understandable by others?[/quote]
Openly berating WC7 and others for their admiration of Barry Bonds is where I hold issue. It’s fine to draw an arbitrary line in the sand for yourself.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Meh, I’m way ambivalent to steroid-users. For one, we’ll never know who all did it, so it’s pointless to guess how much it help, or retroactively punish people. We’re punishing them for admitting to it, not for DOING it - plenty of people did it without punishment. Of course, I’m talking more about people like McGwire, as Bonds continues to lie. But as far as the Hall of Fame debates, I refuse to hold something against someone without having any clue how many others did it.
Secondly, like 80% of the “old-timers” (pre-steroid era) players I’ve heard interviewed said they would’ve done it back then too. That’s just what happens in the highest level of competition.
Third, why does NO ONE care about the well-known, rampant amphetamine use in the 80s - but they care about steroids? I don’t get it.
And fourth - if you told me I could take an illegal pill that would make me the best at my job and triple my salary…sorry, but I’d do it.[/quote]
Good post, I wasn’t aware of amphetamine use in the 80’s
Barry Bonds is one of the greatest power hitters ever to play the game. Plain and simple.
I watch the MLB, and any other professional sport for that matter, to be entertained by the top athletes in the world, not to learn how to live my life or find role models off of the field.
Judge me however you want, but it’s easy to separate entertainment on the field from real life off of it, and I think that might be one of the beautiful facets of sports.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
Yea well I wasn’t reading this in April so boo hoo.
And I wouldn’t tag team Hallowed with Brian Wilson…she’s almost as old as my mom![/quote]
I’m glad we’re on the same page kiddo… now go put some pants on 
Beides, I no be share Brian Wilson!
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
Yea well I wasn’t reading this in April so boo hoo.
And I wouldn’t tag team Hallowed with Brian Wilson…she’s almost as old as my mom![/quote]
I’m glad we’re on the same page kiddo… now go put some pants on
Beides, I no be share Brian Wilson![/quote]
It’s pretty cool that you can joke about your age. I think I’m wearing more pants than you in my picture lol.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
Yea well I wasn’t reading this in April so boo hoo.
And I wouldn’t tag team Hallowed with Brian Wilson…she’s almost as old as my mom![/quote]
I’m glad we’re on the same page kiddo… now go put some pants on
Beides, I no be share Brian Wilson![/quote]
It’s pretty cool that you can joke about your age. I think I’m wearing more pants than you in my picture lol.[/quote]
Hey thanks, being cool is um… well its cool.
When I get a chance to be cool, I try to take it.
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
Yea well I wasn’t reading this in April so boo hoo.
And I wouldn’t tag team Hallowed with Brian Wilson…she’s almost as old as my mom![/quote]
I’m glad we’re on the same page kiddo… now go put some pants on
Beides, I no be share Brian Wilson![/quote]
It’s pretty cool that you can joke about your age. I think I’m wearing more pants than you in my picture lol.[/quote]
Hey thanks, being cool is um… well its cool.
When I get a chance to be cool, I try to take it.
[/quote]
I always thought you were cool, especially when you make da sammiches.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
Yea well I wasn’t reading this in April so boo hoo.
And I wouldn’t tag team Hallowed with Brian Wilson…she’s almost as old as my mom![/quote]
Speaking of Wilson…
“Brian Wilson (elbow) is likely to be placed on the disabled list, according to Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News. Baggarly believes they’ll make the move official on Sunday”
-RotoWorld.
I seriously think EVERYTHING that could go wrong for the Giants, currently is.
If everything fell into place perfectly for us last year during the stretch run and through the playoffs (both from a luck and skill standpoint), I’d say that the exact opposite is happening this year.
I wouldn’t be surprised if something crazy happened this week, like Eli Whiteside testing positive for HGH. Maybe that’s why he has a full head of gray hair at the age of 31.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Speaking of Wilson…
“Brian Wilson (elbow) is likely to be placed on the disabled list, according to Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News. Baggarly believes they’ll make the move official on Sunday”
-RotoWorld.
I seriously think EVERYTHING that could go wrong for the Giants, currently is.
If everything fell into place perfectly for us last year during the stretch run and through the playoffs (both from a luck and skill standpoint), I’d say that the exact opposite is happening this year.
I wouldn’t be surprised if something crazy happened this week, like Eli Whiteside testing positive for HGH. Maybe that’s why he has a full head of gray hair at the age of 31.[/quote]
I started getting gray/white hairs when I was 14…I don’t know if my hair color will even make it another ten years lol. Jerk 
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Speaking of Wilson…
“Brian Wilson (elbow) is likely to be placed on the disabled list, according to Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News. Baggarly believes they’ll make the move official on Sunday”
-RotoWorld.
I seriously think EVERYTHING that could go wrong for the Giants, currently is.
If everything fell into place perfectly for us last year during the stretch run and through the playoffs (both from a luck and skill standpoint), I’d say that the exact opposite is happening this year.
I wouldn’t be surprised if something crazy happened this week, like Eli Whiteside testing positive for HGH. Maybe that’s why he has a full head of gray hair at the age of 31.[/quote]
I started getting gray/white hairs when I was 14…I don’t know if my hair color will even make it another ten years lol. Jerk :/[/quote]
Haha lay off the HGH then…
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Speaking of Wilson…
“Brian Wilson (elbow) is likely to be placed on the disabled list, according to Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News. Baggarly believes they’ll make the move official on Sunday”
-RotoWorld.
I seriously think EVERYTHING that could go wrong for the Giants, currently is.
If everything fell into place perfectly for us last year during the stretch run and through the playoffs (both from a luck and skill standpoint), I’d say that the exact opposite is happening this year.
I wouldn’t be surprised if something crazy happened this week, like Eli Whiteside testing positive for HGH. Maybe that’s why he has a full head of gray hair at the age of 31.[/quote]
I started getting gray/white hairs when I was 14…I don’t know if my hair color will even make it another ten years lol. Jerk :/[/quote]
You look old enough to be my Dad! 
haha JK joke joke joke. Silver hair is sexy when theres lots and lots of it.
Dont go bald.
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I started getting gray/white hairs when I was 14…I don’t know if my hair color will even make it another ten years lol. Jerk :/[/quote]
You look old enough to be my Dad!
haha JK joke joke joke. Silver hair is sexy when theres lots and lots of it.
Dont go bald.[/quote]
Oh now Grandma has jokes! We could date, if only I was 20 years older.
I’m hoping I end up like Anderson Cooper, it works for him I think. As long as the rest of me doesn’t look old, I think I’ll be ok. I def don’t think I’ll be going bald, everyone on both sides of my family still has lots of hair and mine is really thick as it is.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I’m hoping I end up like Anderson Cooper.
[/quote]
Anderson Cooper is a homosexual. Are you trying to appeal to homosexual men?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I’m hoping I end up like DB Cooper.
[/quote]
Anderson Cooper is a homosexual. Are you trying to appeal to homosexual men?[/quote]
There raj, I fixed it for him. That’s what he meant to say.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I’m hoping I end up like Anderson Cooper.
[/quote]
Anderson Cooper is a homosexual. Are you trying to appeal to homosexual men?[/quote]
So? I think he’s a handsome guy, his sexual orientation doesn’t matter to me. He’s just easiest example I can come up with of a well-known figure who has white hair younger than you’d expect.
Why, are you interested?
OK
Verlander.
19 w’s.
Detroits up 5.5 in the central heading into September. Whitesox are on their west coast swing. This shit is about to get interesting as a motherfucker.
NYY or Boston is going to get the wildcard so who cares, but this AL Central looks like a lot of fun.