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Two Amazing things smashing into one video…my mind is blown.
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
Also,
I <3 Barry Bonds[/quote]
Yes and yes. True SF girl right there.
I’m rocking my orange Bonds player shirt today, its essence alone with bring us a win.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
^ Yeah I heard both Cain and Lincecum have each had 9 starts where they received 0 run support.
I have no idea whether he’d leave but if he did join the Yanks or Sox his numbers would also dropoff. I used the example of Roy Halladay earlier, since moving to the NL his ERA, WHIP, hits given up have all dropped significantly. He won only one Cy Young in Toronto and has already matched that total in Philadelphia and will likely surpass it this year.
The main advantage Lincecum has in joining the Red Sox/Yanks is his win total will skyrocket, but anyone who knows anything about baseball knows a pitchers win total is meaningless. I guess it’s possible the Giants could no longer be WS contenders by the time Lincecum hits free agency and another upside would be regular post season appearances. Especially with the 2nd wildcard to be in place within the next couple of years.[/quote]
Man, that whole second wild card thing really gets me. Doesn’t Selig realize that they’ll have to play well into November (probably on the East Coast somewhere most years too) unless they shorten the schedule or add a lot of doubleheaders to the schedule? Which is something the players’ union will never go for.
Plus, a bye for the top team would end up being disastrous. Baseball doesn’t lend itself well to taking 5 to 8 days off and if they just make the first round a best-of-three scenario it still means several days of rest for the top team AND it increases the likelihood that the better team suffers due to some bad break. And the whole point of adding this 2nd wildcard team is to ensure that deserving teams get into the playoffs. By extension, they must also want to ensure that the most deserving teams gets to the Series, a cause that would be seriously endangered with the proposed format. The best thing they could do if they add a 2nd wildcard would be to give THEM the bye. Baseball players are VERY routine-driven and anything that gets them out of the routine they’ve been locked into for 6+ months is detrimental to the team.
Personally, I think the only changes MLB needs to make is to get rid of all inter-league play and all divisions. Just let the top four teams in each league into the playoffs, period, and keep the format the way it is now. Add a few doubleheaders, maybe one a month, maybe a little more than that. They should also enact a salary-cap of some sort, along with a salary-floor, and redo the draft so that foreign players have to enter it instead of becoming free agents like what we have now. They should also allow teams to trade their picks.
I think baseball tries too hard to compete with football, especially in terms of TV ratings, and it just isn’t capable of doing so. Baseball has NEVER been a sport that really appeals to casual fans in terms of TV viewing and it never really will. These constant attempts to change the NFL has ruined it in many aspects, in my opinion, and I’d hate to see baseball do the same thing.
Truth be told, I think a lot of this is indicative of many of the problems that we have as a country. We’re constantly unsatisfied with things in our lives to the point where we have become this crazed, uber-materialistic, consumer-driven society in which we incessantly try to change who we are by buying more and more shit that we don’t really need. Baseball really hasn’t changed all that much at all, rules-wise, in the last 70-90 years and it’s actually doing really well in all aspects except for its inability to compete with the NFL.
The NFL has a built-in advantage that baseball will NEVER have. For the most part, all of the action happens on one day, so casual fans can totally immerse themselves in it on Sundays and then forget about it for the rest of the week without missing anything. Baseball is played 7 days a week and I think each team averages about 6.5 games a week over the course of a season. I also think that baseball fans in general tend to lose interest in the postseason once their team is out of it. On top of all THAT, baseball already experiences the sort of parity the NFL is always searching for anyways. Look at all the World Series participants. It’s a different winner all the time and really, with a 7-game series, the most deserving team wins anyways.
This latest idea of Selig’s reeks of sporting socialism and the bottom line is that if a team doesn’t make the playoffs, too fucking bad. As good as the 1993 Giants were, they didn’t deserve to make the playoffs. They won 103 and it took 104 wins to get in that year. Tough luck. And that’s coming from a hardcore Giants fan.[/quote]
The plan for the proposed new Wildcard is only going to be 1 game not a 3, 5 or 7 game series. Therefore the extension of the season would be minimal and over-resting the division winners doesn’t apply.
Also there isn’t much parity in the AL East. The Jays, Rays, and Orioles have little to no chance of making the playoffs with any regularity when you have two teams in the same division spending exponentially more EVERY year. If it were up to me, I would implement a balanced schedule and have the top 4 teams of each league make the post season.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
^ Yeah I heard both Cain and Lincecum have each had 9 starts where they received 0 run support.
I have no idea whether he’d leave but if he did join the Yanks or Sox his numbers would also dropoff. I used the example of Roy Halladay earlier, since moving to the NL his ERA, WHIP, hits given up have all dropped significantly. He won only one Cy Young in Toronto and has already matched that total in Philadelphia and will likely surpass it this year.
The main advantage Lincecum has in joining the Red Sox/Yanks is his win total will skyrocket, but anyone who knows anything about baseball knows a pitchers win total is meaningless. I guess it’s possible the Giants could no longer be WS contenders by the time Lincecum hits free agency and another upside would be regular post season appearances. Especially with the 2nd wildcard to be in place within the next couple of years.[/quote]
Man, that whole second wild card thing really gets me. Doesn’t Selig realize that they’ll have to play well into November (probably on the East Coast somewhere most years too) unless they shorten the schedule or add a lot of doubleheaders to the schedule? Which is something the players’ union will never go for.
Plus, a bye for the top team would end up being disastrous. Baseball doesn’t lend itself well to taking 5 to 8 days off and if they just make the first round a best-of-three scenario it still means several days of rest for the top team AND it increases the likelihood that the better team suffers due to some bad break. And the whole point of adding this 2nd wildcard team is to ensure that deserving teams get into the playoffs. By extension, they must also want to ensure that the most deserving teams gets to the Series, a cause that would be seriously endangered with the proposed format. The best thing they could do if they add a 2nd wildcard would be to give THEM the bye. Baseball players are VERY routine-driven and anything that gets them out of the routine they’ve been locked into for 6+ months is detrimental to the team.
Personally, I think the only changes MLB needs to make is to get rid of all inter-league play and all divisions. Just let the top four teams in each league into the playoffs, period, and keep the format the way it is now. Add a few doubleheaders, maybe one a month, maybe a little more than that. They should also enact a salary-cap of some sort, along with a salary-floor, and redo the draft so that foreign players have to enter it instead of becoming free agents like what we have now. They should also allow teams to trade their picks.
I think baseball tries too hard to compete with football, especially in terms of TV ratings, and it just isn’t capable of doing so. Baseball has NEVER been a sport that really appeals to casual fans in terms of TV viewing and it never really will. These constant attempts to change the NFL has ruined it in many aspects, in my opinion, and I’d hate to see baseball do the same thing.
Truth be told, I think a lot of this is indicative of many of the problems that we have as a country. We’re constantly unsatisfied with things in our lives to the point where we have become this crazed, uber-materialistic, consumer-driven society in which we incessantly try to change who we are by buying more and more shit that we don’t really need. Baseball really hasn’t changed all that much at all, rules-wise, in the last 70-90 years and it’s actually doing really well in all aspects except for its inability to compete with the NFL.
The NFL has a built-in advantage that baseball will NEVER have. For the most part, all of the action happens on one day, so casual fans can totally immerse themselves in it on Sundays and then forget about it for the rest of the week without missing anything. Baseball is played 7 days a week and I think each team averages about 6.5 games a week over the course of a season. I also think that baseball fans in general tend to lose interest in the postseason once their team is out of it. On top of all THAT, baseball already experiences the sort of parity the NFL is always searching for anyways. Look at all the World Series participants. It’s a different winner all the time and really, with a 7-game series, the most deserving team wins anyways.
This latest idea of Selig’s reeks of sporting socialism and the bottom line is that if a team doesn’t make the playoffs, too fucking bad. As good as the 1993 Giants were, they didn’t deserve to make the playoffs. They won 103 and it took 104 wins to get in that year. Tough luck. And that’s coming from a hardcore Giants fan.[/quote]
The plan for the proposed new Wildcard is only going to be 1 game not a 3, 5 or 7 game series. Therefore the extension of the season would be minimal and over-resting the division winners doesn’t apply.
Also there isn’t much parity in the AL East. The Jays, Rays, and Orioles have little to no chance of making the playoffs with any regularity when you have two teams in the same division spending exponentially more EVERY year. If it were up to me, I would implement a balanced schedule and have the top 4 teams of each league make the post season. [/quote]
I think I said that same thing buried in my dissertation somewhere.
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
O had to get up off the leg press and walk across the gym to get a better look at it.
Man, I am impress!!!
Also,
I <3 Barry Bonds[/quote]
I haven’t been in your thread for a while. I’ll check it out. I like the orange!
Okay, so I had an ugly, slightly nasty argument with WestCoast about Barry Bonds and what a piece of shit he is. He has now put me on ignore because he’s a sensitive child and although I tried to send him a PM apologizing for getting a little out of hand, I’ve had a change of heart and I hope he continues to block me because, to be honest, his whole “kiss the ring” bullshit is getting old and pathetic at this point and I could really care less about anything he has to say anymore based on his rigid, unwavering defense of a known wife-beater, an admitted cheater, an absentee father, an unfaithful husband, a liar and a convicted criminal.
Anyways, I’m going to try to engage you in the same debate, but in a more toned-down manner this time. Forgive me if I spiral out of control.
So, why do you love Barry Bonds? How is it you set aside the complete horror he has routinely visited upon his entire family with his behavior? I know that’s off-field stuff, but how do you also give him any respect for his ON-field accomplishments when they have been undeniably tainted by his cheating? He even admitted in his grand jury testimony that HgH helped his eyes track the ball better. He failed a steroid test AND a methamphetamine test. How is it that you reconcile these facts with yourself?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
O had to get up off the leg press and walk across the gym to get a better look at it.
Man, I am impress!!!
Also,
I <3 Barry Bonds[/quote]
I haven’t been in your thread for a while. I’ll check it out. I like the orange!
Okay, so I had an ugly, slightly nasty argument with WestCoast about Barry Bonds and what a piece of shit he is. He has now put me on ignore because he’s a sensitive child and although I tried to send him a PM apologizing for getting a little out of hand, I’ve had a change of heart and I hope he continues to block me because, to be honest, his whole “kiss the ring” bullshit is getting old and pathetic at this point and I could really care less about anything he has to say anymore based on his rigid, unwavering defense of a known wife-beater, an admitted cheater, an absentee father, an unfaithful husband, a liar and a convicted criminal.
Anyways, I’m going to try to engage you in the same debate, but in a more toned-down manner this time. Forgive me if I spiral out of control.
So, why do you love Barry Bonds? How is it you set aside the complete horror he has routinely visited upon his entire family with his behavior? I know that’s off-field stuff, but how do you also give him any respect for his ON-field accomplishments when they have been undeniably tainted by his cheating? He even admitted in his grand jury testimony that HgH helped his eyes track the ball better. He failed a steroid test AND a methamphetamine test. How is it that you reconcile these facts with yourself?
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A knows wifr beater? Did she stay with him after he beat her ass? Bet she did.
I guess I DGAF if the dude is an asshole. There are some things an athlete could do that would ruin his athletic achievements to me but I am not aware of Barry every doing them.
I <3 him because he always hit a fucking home run when I went to a game. Thank you BB.
Thank you for hitting home runs. I <3 home run hitters.
Aaaaaaaaand… I love our ballpark which I give him a lot of credit for. He made the team money kept the fans coming.
Don’t you remember candlesitck? ::::shudder::…
And you probably know I’m not a debater on here. I like to skim the surface. So I’m trying to be accomodating by at least stating the basis of my feelings.
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
A knows wifr beater? Did she stay with him after he beat her ass? Bet she did.
I guess I DGAF if the dude is an asshole. There are some things an athlete could do that would ruin his athletic achievements to me but I am not aware of Barry every doing them.
I <3 him because he always hit a fucking home run when I went to a game. Thank you BB.
Thank you for hitting home runs. I <3 home run hitters.
Aaaaaaaaand… I love our ballpark which I give him a lot of credit for. He made the team money kept the fans coming.
Don’t you remember candlesitck? ::::shudder::…
And you probably know I’m not a debater on here. I like to skim the surface. So I’m trying to be accomodating by at least stating the basis of my feelings. [/quote]
Exactly.
Enjoy the game.
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
O had to get up off the leg press and walk across the gym to get a better look at it.
Man, I am impress!!!
Also,
I <3 Barry Bonds[/quote]
I haven’t been in your thread for a while. I’ll check it out. I like the orange!
Okay, so I had an ugly, slightly nasty argument with WestCoast about Barry Bonds and what a piece of shit he is. He has now put me on ignore because he’s a sensitive child and although I tried to send him a PM apologizing for getting a little out of hand, I’ve had a change of heart and I hope he continues to block me because, to be honest, his whole “kiss the ring” bullshit is getting old and pathetic at this point and I could really care less about anything he has to say anymore based on his rigid, unwavering defense of a known wife-beater, an admitted cheater, an absentee father, an unfaithful husband, a liar and a convicted criminal.
Anyways, I’m going to try to engage you in the same debate, but in a more toned-down manner this time. Forgive me if I spiral out of control.
So, why do you love Barry Bonds? How is it you set aside the complete horror he has routinely visited upon his entire family with his behavior? I know that’s off-field stuff, but how do you also give him any respect for his ON-field accomplishments when they have been undeniably tainted by his cheating? He even admitted in his grand jury testimony that HgH helped his eyes track the ball better. He failed a steroid test AND a methamphetamine test. How is it that you reconcile these facts with yourself?
[/quote]
A knows wifr beater? Did she stay with him after he beat her ass? Bet she did.
I guess I DGAF if the dude is an asshole. There are some things an athlete could do that would ruin his athletic achievements to me but I am not aware of Barry every doing them.
I <3 him because he always hit a fucking home run when I went to a game. Thank you BB.
Thank you for hitting home runs. I <3 home run hitters.
Aaaaaaaaand… I love our ballpark which I give him a lot of credit for. He made the team money kept the fans coming.
Don’t you remember candlesitck? ::::shudder::…
And you probably know I’m not a debater on here. I like to skim the surface. So I’m trying to be accomodating by at least stating the basis of my feelings. [/quote]
It came out in his federal perjury trial that he was physically-abusive toward his first wife, who left him, he was physically-abusive toward his mistress, Kimberly Bell, and his second wife just filed for divorce last year. I can only imagine what irreconcilable differences led to that. His son, Nikolai, the same one we’ve seen in the dugout with him as a batboy, was also arrested last year on 5 misdemeanor assault charges for beating up his mother, Sun, Bonds’ first wife. I wonder if maybe he’s just emulating his father? I also met a guy when I was in college who had started dating Sun Bonds after their divorce, and according to this guy Sun told him that Barry used to beat the living SHIT out of her. I shrugged it off as total bullshit (this was about 6 months before the whole BALCO thing became public) at the time, but in retrospect I believe him. This is a guy who, according to testimony in his perjury trial, threatened to cut the breast implants out of his mistress’ chest if she ever left him.
As far as his cheating goes, his grand jury testimony transcript from 2003 shows that he tested positive for steroids twice, including testosterone in November of 2000. He also failed a drug test for amphetamines in 2006 and then blamed it on a teammate.
I guess where I’m going with all of this is, at what point do the off-field atrocities committed by a player outweigh your love and/or admiration for him? Also, I understand that he inadvertently helped knock down Candlestick Park and build AT&T. But let me put forth a similar scenario that I presented to WestCoast.
Let’s say a co-worker of yours is outperforming everyone in the office, to the benefit of everyone in the office. You’re a huge fan of his work and you admire his accomplishments. He’s even directly responsible for getting the company moved into a new building. But then you find out that this guy cheated on his first wife, habitually, beat her, beat his mistress, his current wife is divorcing him, presumably after finding out about his multiple affairs and possibly due to repeated physical assaults, his work accomplishments have been gained in large part due to cheating of some sort, he’s been caught cheating by his superiors and has repeatedly lied about it, including to YOU and now he’s under federal indictment related to this cheating. Would you still be a big fan of him and his work?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Two Amazing things smashing into one video…my mind is blown.
hahahahahaha am I the only one who loved that video?
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Two Amazing things smashing into one video…my mind is blown.
hahahahahaha am I the only one who loved that video?[/quote]
No, I love it too! Am I the only one who wants to tag team Hallowed with Brian Wilson?
I guess to a certain extent who he is as a person is separated for me from who he is as an athlete.
When I say I <3 Barry I mean I <3 him as an athlete.
Its not up to me to judge him as a person. He isn’t paid to be a ‘person’ I don’t go to the park to see him be a ‘person’
As far as the cheating, and again SKIMMING THE SURFACE… I have decided I have no clue what performance enhancing drugs professional athletes take and therefore it doesn’t weigh on my feelings about their athletic performance.
Exceptions to this are in tested competitions ie the olympics during which an athlete actually fails a test. In those cases I do agree with them being disqualified from the win. Did Barry ever fail a league drug test while playing?
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Two Amazing things smashing into one video…my mind is blown.
hahahahahaha am I the only one who loved that video?[/quote]
Well I liked it when I posted it in April
^^^
Great repost great video great original contribution Raj 
Back to my thinking about BB: damn Coop, why you make me think? I no like think too hard!
Barry not a great personl. I not a great person. I have done plenty of fucked up shit in my life. I have problems. Barry has problems.
Not up to me to get all judgy mcjudgerson on him. Same way I don’t get upset about athletes with drug arrests.
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
I guess to a certain extent who he is as a person is separated for me from who he is as an athlete.
When I say I <3 Barry I mean I <3 him as an athlete.
Its not up to me to judge him as a person. He isn’t paid to be a ‘person’ I don’t go to the park to see him be a ‘person’
As far as the cheating, and again SKIMMING THE SURFACE… I have decided I have no clue what performance enhancing drugs professional athletes take and therefore it doesn’t weigh on my feelings about their athletic performance.
Exceptions to this are in tested competitions ie the olympics during which an athlete actually fails a test. In those cases I do agree with them being disqualified from the win. Did Barry ever fail a league drug test while playing?[/quote]
Yes. Three of them. This was before any punishment system was in place, but he DID fail three times and he was tested by MLB all three times.
I guess what I’m trying to get at here is, aren’t you relieved that you don’t “have” to cheer for this monster anymore now that he’s retired? I mean, I rooted for him as much as any other Giants fan and I regularly stood up for him in arguments with others regarding his cheating and his generally cancerous attitude in terms of team chemistry. Jeff Kent once said that he and Bonds had had numerous clubhouse scuffles with each other.
But at the same time, I knew deep down that I was simply minimizing or denying about Bonds what I would have vilified if he played for anyone else. In this respect, I am GLAD he is gone and when people make some off-hand comment about my Bonds jersey I just tell them it’s a Bobby Bonds jersey. I wouldn’t expect Giants fans to actively root against him as long as he was wearing the Orange and Black. But even I began to begrudgingly root for him the last couple years he played. I suppose that I felt I was being held hostage as a fan by him at some point and the Stockholm Syndrome I suffered from slowly wore off, starting around 2004.
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
^^^
Great repost great video great original contribution Raj
Back to my thinking about BB: damn Coop, why you make me think? I no like think too hard!
Barry not a great personl. I not a great person. I have done plenty of fucked up shit in my life. I have problems. Barry has problems.
Not up to me to get all judgy mcjudgerson on him. Same way I don’t get upset about athletes with drug arrests.[/quote]
What’s wrong with thinking about something? What’s wrong with having a belief or a position challenged in an intelligent manner? Don’t you challenge yourself in this way? I do all the time. Like I always say, chop something down and it only grows back stronger, if not different.
I wish people would challenge me and my beliefs more often on this site. I could use the mental exercise.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Let’s say a co-worker of yours is outperforming everyone in the office, to the benefit of everyone in the office. You’re a huge fan of his work and you admire his accomplishments. He’s even directly responsible for getting the company moved into a new building. But then you find out that this guy cheated on his first wife, habitually, beat her, beat his mistress, his current wife is divorcing him, presumably after finding out about his multiple affairs and possibly due to repeated physical assaults, his work accomplishments have been gained in large part due to cheating of some sort, he’s been caught cheating by his superiors and has repeatedly lied about it, including to YOU and now he’s under federal indictment related to this cheating. Would you still be a big fan of him and his work?[/quote]
Not a Barry Bonds lover, but if I were this analogy would hold no water with me.
Barry Bonds is someone I watch on television, I’ve never met him, he does’t work for the same company as I, and he is far and away in a different world outside of my reality.
By this same logic I should not listen to music by known drug users, I mean they’re using ILLEGAL drugs to help them write songs while others do not right?? Oh crap, I better delete almost every artists in my iTunes…
I should not watch movies with known physically and verbally abusive actors right? I guess watching Dark Knight and it’s sequel is out of the question since we have physical evidence of how abusive Christian Bale can be verbally at least. I’m also going to miss those Bill Murray movies.
It’s fair to say his accomplishments should all be followed by an asterisk but he’s still an incredible athlete that knew how to put to the bat to the ball. That’s how I see him.
^^^
To me its up to MLB to put a punishment system in place. I guess I generally feel that if MLB is deciding no system in place they’re doing it for a reason and allowing it to go on.
No honestly Coop I don’t feel relieved Bonds is retired. I still have affectionate feelings when I think of the great times I had watching him. Remember that bat corking thing? No one’s all happy to not cheer ffor Sammy Sosa no one is all hateful towards mark mcGuire… people hate barry because of his personality and to them I say get over it. I don’t think he’s a monster, I just think he’s a dick.
EDIT to say my lil arrows s/b pointing to Coop’s post not Raj’s
Which is why I shhoulda quoted oops
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Let’s say a co-worker of yours is outperforming everyone in the office, to the benefit of everyone in the office. You’re a huge fan of his work and you admire his accomplishments. He’s even directly responsible for getting the company moved into a new building. But then you find out that this guy cheated on his first wife, habitually, beat her, beat his mistress, his current wife is divorcing him, presumably after finding out about his multiple affairs and possibly due to repeated physical assaults, his work accomplishments have been gained in large part due to cheating of some sort, he’s been caught cheating by his superiors and has repeatedly lied about it, including to YOU and now he’s under federal indictment related to this cheating. Would you still be a big fan of him and his work?[/quote]
Not a Barry Bonds lover, but if I were this analogy would hold no water with me.
Barry Bonds is someone I watch on television, I’ve never met him, he does’t work for the same company as I, and he is far and away in a different world outside of my reality.
By this same logic I should not listen to music by known drug users, I mean they’re using ILLEGAL drugs to help them write songs while others do not right?? Oh crap, I better delete almost every artists in my iTunes…
I should not watch movies with known physically and verbally abusive actors right? I guess watching Dark Knight and it’s sequel is out of the question since we have physical evidence of how abusive Christian Bale can be verbally at least. I’m also going to miss those Bill Murray movies.
It’s fair to say his accomplishments should all be followed by an asterisk but he’s still an incredible athlete that knew how to put to the bat to the ball. That’s how I see him. [/quote]
Drug addiction and verbal abuse is HARDLY analogous to what Bonds has done. Besides, if you knew anything about musicians who have taken drugs you’d know that their music usually takes a serious downturn when the drug use escalates. Miles Davis between 1973-1975, Led Zeppelin’s last 2 albums, the last couple albums by The Doors, David Bowie’s late 70’s music and even the good Ol’ Dirty Bastard, to name a few. It hardly enhances it. If Amy Winehouse were alive, I’m sure she’d agree.
My analogy should hit closer to home BECAUSE it isn’t quite analogous to the Bonds scenario. You wouldn’t respect the co-worker, someone you actually know, so why would you respect the accomplishments of a total stranger?
As far as the actors and music thing goes, there is another HUGE difference. We don’t actively root for actors and musicians like we do with athletes. Besides, are you a fan of anything that Mel Gibson has put out lately, or will you go to his movies in the future and cheer him when he appears onscreen? What Gibson has done is FAR more analogous to what Bonds did than what may be nothing more than an isolated incident on Bale’s part, which he apologized for directly to the person he berated immediately afterwards.
Like WestCoast said, enjoy the game. I DO enjoy the game, just like I enjoy Bale’s and Murray’s films. But there is a clear, distinct difference between enjoying the game or a film and “respecting” who the person on the field or on the screen is when the last out is made or when the final curtain drops. And again, Bale and Murray bear no reasonable comparison to beating women. Maybe it’s just me, but I think that habitually beating a woman is a crime only surpassed by pedophiles and murderers. At some point the behavior of people sullies our admiration for what they have accomplished in their professional life, especially when part of that behavior entails cheating at the very accomplishments we admire.
All I’m saying is that Bonds crossed that line for me and in some way I feel ashamed of myself for ever brushing it aside in the first place. I have no problem saying that if I were at a game and Bonds was introduced to the crowd I would boo him mercilessly. He certainly isn’t the type of person I would want anyone I cared about hanging around, and certainly not my daughter or mother or sister. I’m not denying that he’s a great athlete, but he’s also a horrible human being on a level that Christian Bale or Bill Murray or drug-addled musicians don’t even begin to approach, and his athletic achievements are tainted by his cheating.
Yea well I wasn’t reading this in April so boo hoo.
And I wouldn’t tag team Hallowed with Brian Wilson…she’s almost as old as my mom!