If aesthetics is the goal, side raises can absolutely help. Most people don’t press in a way that sufficiently stimulates the side delts anyhow.
High volume pressing followed by lateral Raises grew my shoulders better than anything had before.
And I’ve never strict pressed 225 once.
I don’t think people should focus solely on isolation delt head work, but there’s plenty of evidence that it’s useful when combined with pressing. You’re free to disagree, of course, but enough big, strong, and successful coaches have prescribed side delt work that brushing it off as absurd is just being obtuse.
I’ll discuss the benefits of recycling protein in another post…
The guy that started the thread is participating in sports several times a week. He doesn’t have the recovery to spend on things like the posterior part of his lateral deltoid. Someone like him needs to hit the major movements and get out.
How much size do you contribute to laterals vs overhead pressing? I guarantee if you let go of the laterals, it won’t make a big difference. BTW, with the volume you do 135 lbs on OHP, you are strong enough to press 225lbs.
For most gym rats, not at all. For someone playing sports 5x a week, you gotta trim the fat from the gym sessions. Press, pull, legs, carry, then get home and start recovering.
Based on your exact logic, given the fact that OP is already doing bench, OHP would do nothing but further empty the bucket for minimal return on investment. Especially building OHP up to 225
Whilst I can see why some of you are choosing to disagree with B. It is worth rememberring that the OP is not a bodybuilder and does not want to be one. See posts above where he says his primary goals are sports. Just doing some OH work for shoulder strength and adding a little muscle is not bad advice.
What he said and what he meant may not be the same. If the sport is more important than the hypertrophy work then in my book it is going to come first.
Its all a bit irrelevant. At the end of the day, he just needs to find the right amount of work he can cope with and get busy. What exercises he uses aren’t probably going to matter that much. LOL
I’m actually in the camp that would vote to do some small movements for shoulders, given these goals, and skip the OHP; however, to be fair here, more than 75% of regular trainees are not bodybuilders.
It is why I came here. As noted I have done more general work before and the load on CNS is heavy to the point I came here crying. The easiest thing is go do just another 5x5, it has a lot of volume and strength loading to kick hypertrophy. However I will just come back in 2 months crying with the same problems.
I just finished a 60 min practice game. It was heavy due to the fact we pick the starting 11 for Sunday today. Everybody was competitive. My shins are blue from absorbed kicking. My left knee is in blood from tackling.I ve ran 7.5 km for 60 mins, while most of it was walking I have done at least 30-40 sprints of 20-30 meters +. Do you think I can go and do 5 sets of squats tomorrow morning? Probably, but after Sundays game I would want to kill myself. Monday I will skipp just another work out, cause my CNS would like to rest and I will be fatigued.
Oh I forgot the 5 sets of barbel rows and bench/ OHP and rows.
I have been in the other camp with boxing. Doing heavy compund upper body during.the week and then boxing. Good luck with that. Your shoulder just would not snap and your core is so sore from heavy squats and DL you end up arm punching from all the pressure in the body.
I have read in numerous forums, just go heavy and grind strength as an advise for fight sports. This just does not work. I know a couple professional fighters they do zero strength training, but weighted dips and chins. So go eo 1s OHP till you reach 100 kg is not working.
Sure in off season doing strength for a month or two may be beneficial and there will be time for recovery.
That’s my point: most people will get all of the growth they need out of the basics. Even serious lifters often have a lot of room to improve on things like squat before they move onto more advanced things.
As for bodybuilders laughing, I’ve trained with lots of national level and a few professional bodybuilders. Every single one focused on pushing weight. The only thing laughable is a guy under 200lbs worrying about his rear delts.
