Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Eventually, you will be the evidence of your own inadequacies. And quoting Hitchens to defend DEI doesn’t help your cause.
I don’t think it works like that.
The problem is this assumes every family responsibly managed and passed inheritance, untouched. This doesn’t actually happen in reality. Same for the assumption blacks don’t own and pass property.
If you peruse economic statistics by demographic you’ll find more white people in poverty than DEI recipients. Granted there are more white people in the pot to draw from as a singled out collective group, but it still upends the equity narrative.
DEI requires an assumption that all white families are financial dynasties, passing down significant inheritance, and that all of them built it on the backs of blacks.
Neither is true. Playing Robin Hood from one collective group to another does have a leveling effect, but the narrative around social justice is a false narrative. The recipients don’t care of course, they aren’t actually crusading do-gooders looking for a moral utopia, and so nothing is solved but a hot potato is passed back and forth.
This is how you create longstanding rifts, not solve them.
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I thought I told you to not respond to me.
Now I am going to have to kick your ass, lol.
No, it likely doesn’t work like that, but it was an example to illustrate institutional racism.
Clearly the lack of home ownership opportunities for Blacks in America undermined their ability to build wealth.
Would you deny that?
There is also the fact that DEI, which is the offspring of Affirmative Action, was not intended to benefit blacks but rather all so called minority and marginalized groups, including women. Affirmative Action has benefited white women more than any other group which kind of defeats the purpose of increasing wealth among black people.
AA and DEI have benefited black women more than black men. When you look at college degree attainment, from undergrad through doctorates, black women are significantly outpacing black men. How does helping half a given population help the entire population?
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Yes, but Blacks never had the chance due to CC and R’s and bank redlining.
I’m just curious - who are the DEI recipients?
I think this is a stretch.
If you are white, your family had the opportunity to buy a home Blacks did not.
This is but a single example of institutional racism. There are many others.
This is true - but offers no solution.
I am not sure there is a solution.
I wonder about your use of “so called.”
To put it bluntly, whitey has always helped the Black chicks while holding down the Black man.
A few tokens will speak otherwise, but the white patriarchy is punching down on the Black man.
I know that is not a popular opinion, and I am likely too stupid to defend it, but it is what I saw when teaching in the inner city.
Of course not. The inner cities are the result of those race based (i.e., racist) policies.
I would argue that the issue has gone beyond those policies and so called systemic racism and it needs to be approached as an economic and cultural problem. So if one wants to argue that poverty and crime and the education gap are results of racism, I’ll accept that however, it isn’t racism, systemic or otherwise, that are keeping people in those conditions. If black kids aren’t taking advantage of a free education, for example, it isn’t because of racism. AA and DEI have been around since 1961 I believe. They have obviously failed with regard to black people. Which begs the question, why haven’t they taken advantage of these policies?
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While I don’t agree with current DEI initiatives or application in today’s climate, I wouldn’t tie it to Affirmative Action. It’s hard to objectively deny that blacks had a very difficult time and were often in unacceptable situations, categorically. The problem I have with DEI today is that it assumes the opposite, categorically, which isn’t true (opposite meaning all whites live a Kardasian/Hilton lifestyle). It forces a narrative of “white” as a singular group and completely ignores things like arrival dates, antebellum slavery participation, actual economic plight et cetera. It’s a lie built on misplaced guilt and theft considering.
I also have a problem with “equity”, which you’re alluding to by highlighting categories, but do believe in equality of opportunity. What somebody does with their runway is up to them. If they want to stay in the hanger that’s their choice and the consequences are theirs to own without becoming a drain on society while celebrating handouts.
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Involuntary immigrants subject to leaders with a vested interest in the continued failure or their constituents.
MLK, Sharpton, Malcom X.
How are women a minority group? If we take off our American glasses, we could see this country being made up of many more minority groups. Jews, a minority. Chinese, a minority. Japanese, a minority. Polish, a minority. German, a minority. Irish, a minority. Italian, a minority. And many of these minorities also faced housing discrimination. Some also immigrated here after WW2. American privilege is believing the world is made up of three or four races and the white one is the “majority.” American privilege is thinking there are no white people who are first generation Americans, if not immigrants themselves.
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Welp, from my standpoint, looking for differences is a key problem. Identifying people as Black, Italian, Polish, Jewish is a problem.
And, frankly, part of the problem is the insular nature of some of our population. Jews won’t marry outside of their faith, Greeks and Portugese, same.
Us fucking whiteys will marry anything, but the Japanese, the Jews, etc… want to differentiate.
If one were to look into the backgrounds and beliefs of many of the antiracist, CRT, equity social justice activists, white or black, they will see that they are also Marxists. They push a collectivist agenda which makes individuals and their own interests subservient to the group’s interests. They fail or succeed as a group. It’s the whole it takes a village mentality. Because in Africa, apparently, they don’t have cities.
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Diversity is our strength.
Identifying people as “other” is divisive.
I don’t think we are arguing.
Yet we take on the bulk of “repair”, without historical participation for the vast majority of us, and without sweeping xenophobia present in our decisions.
I am not clear what your point is.
The minorities themselves self-segregate today, and look at a history none of us lived to blame categoric whites for hardships it can create, while in many cases keeping hands out for freebies and advantages. They’re a snake eating their own tail today while expecting, and receiving, outside support in the endeavor. It’s all a sham that requires history to live now. And history is over.
Spoken like a true bigot.
“We”
So you view yourself as a white man, part of a white collective rather than an individual.
I suppose today’s lesson for your offspring is how to be a victim 101.
I don’t disagree.
When I was in Teacher School we talked about voluntary and involuntary immigrants. Best example were the Hmong - did not want to be here but supported the CIA and the Khmer Rouge would commit genocide against them.
In Sacramento, they had no interest in being there, in assimilating. Would live fifteen in a one bedroom apartment, capture the neighbors’ cat and barbecue it in the living room.
Now the Koreans wanted to be there - bought stores, lived above them, brought family over, learned English.
Blacks, historically, were involuntary immigrants and had leaders vested in the continued failure of Blacks - really, if there was equity, Sharpton goes away.
Maybe. I lived on Long Island, extremely segregated. The Portugese live in Mineola, the Blacks in Roosevelt, the Italians and Irish in Levittown.
They didn’t segregate themselves. My home had a no Blacks deed.
In Portland, I grew up with Black kids, The N word rolls off my tongue as a term of endearment (might get my ass kicked in the wrong place). But Portland was integrated.
Long Island, not at all.
Except I’m following context of the narrative being discussed illustratively.
I know comprehension can be hard and playing “I’m rubber, you’re glue” is fun, but the mirror is yours.