“nopal_juventus, it is quite obvious we are both set in our beleif systems. It isn’t that I mind the discussion, but I feel now it is just getting pointless. I will however address a couple points.”
Agreed. I’ve tried to correct most people’s stances here, but failed. I just hope you’ll see my side of the story, since I see yours completely.
“When you say spending funds on things like Police. Puting it that way does not go around police bashing, because it brings police into the equasion. My rebutle of that study was that it brings police into the equasion when it isn’t part of the problem.”
I used police as an example. I don’t really think extra cops are the main factor for an increase in crime in southern california, I think funds mismanagement is. I showed you an example of this in which said cops were the recipients of said funds.
"As for my coments on Bill Cosby. Blacks do have the same atmosphere and opportunities as whites. Some of our richest and most sucesfull people in the past 50 years have been black. Larry Elder, a black talk show host I listen to puts it this way. Black people have a victom mentalaty. They don’t put effort into there education and such, as they are under this idea that they are allways opressed. They convince themselves that no matter what they do they wont succeed. Things like affirmative action gaurentie them a job , regardless of there skills. So they don’t train there skills. If this is not true, then explain to me this. Imagrents from India and Asia, from 1st to 4th generation do
A: Very well in out education system and generaly get very high scores.
B: In general don’t get involved with gangs, or hive high teen pregancy rates.
Why? Because of the way these people people raise kids, and were raised. As Bill Cosby said, high pregancy rates and slured speach. That has nothing to do with opertunaties, it is everything to do with how you raise your kids. Plenty of people in life lived in ghetos and run down block of societies, yet raised their kids to achive.
A lot of the problem is that the door has been opened for blacks, and they just don’t step through. Asians seem to deal with our society just fine. Even though Asian immagrents generaly are not given a better start or opurtunaties then black people."
This is just plain naive. I used to feel the same way about religious freedom in the U.S., or feminism, until I came back here and saw for myself all the discrimination that there still is. I also used to feel that blacks constantly kept purposely portraying themselves as victims, until I came back to the U.S. BookerT has already adressed the issue, so you only need to read over his posts to see that blacks, whites, and mexicans aren’t yet equal, not by a long shot. Asians most certainly don’t have the same atmosphere and living conditions as blacks and latinos.
“Latino’s that are 3rd and 4th generation latinos do have the same opportunities as whites. One Latino bought a sports team (or was it a stadium) about a year or two ago. He atributed his success in life to his parents being dedicated Americians, and teaching him things like that he had to speak english. Even if a first generation is not given those opertunaties, they can give them to there kids. By raising to adapt to our society. To speak our language and live as we do.”
Nearly all mexicans know english to an extent (enough to comunicate in english). However, they choose to speak in spanish amongst themselves. Is this no different than chinese speaking mandarin, or Indians speaking in their native dialect? The thing is that since there are so many mexicans it’s much more obvious.
“Otherwise you have to explain why Indian and Asian immagrents do so well (a lot of whom came here with very little), and why black people and latino’s don’t.”
So you’re saying that blacks and latinos aren’t trying as hard or equal in a certain way to asians? That is the definition of racism. You imply that there is an ethnic reason for blacks and latinos being perpetually poor, when it’s sociological and economical.
“As I say though, I doubt we will change each others minds so I probaly wont continue beyond this post.”
Same here. If no one even bothers reading the links that I post, it’s of no consequence whether I post or not. I see that at least you haven’t continued arguing the economic necessity of illegals, so I might have won something after all.
