Minimum Wage, Again

Sorry if during my rant I refered to anyone as an idiot, I’m not personaly upset with anyone here, just the situation. I work hard to be where I am, and I’m taxed to death, every day I here about crooked politics, and people scaming money. It drives me nuts, I’m not trying to get rich, just live a good life. I don’t feel the way out of this mess is through more politics, more comities, more goverment involvment. I think we need a reboot, just like my computer, when it gets screwed up, I reset factory settings. We need to go back to a small goverment, and start over. More than 60% of people right now make they’re living from the goverment, in some form, this isn’t a free society.

How can someone run for goverment, on a platform of less goverment spending, pulling back the size of the goverment, when 60%+ make they’re living from the goverment, you’ll never get elected on this platform. In Canada, nobody that works for the goverment makes less than 80 grand a year, including a bus driver. My wife works for the post office, and makes 30 bucks an hour, plus benifits, and pension.

Were going broke paying all these people, and then they’re pensions. People live forever now days. They work 30yrs, and then live for another 40yrs. We pay for this, cities are going bankrupt. The problem isn’t minum wage, we need to shrink the size of the goverment, privatize all these jobs, and loosen up the taxes, so the economy can grow, or say fuck it, let everyone work for the goverment, and go comunist. If you want to talk about real solutions, forget minum wage, jack minum wage, and it kills the economy, small buinesses die, or they jack the price of they’re goods, and then raising minum wage did nothing, because stuff just costs more.

Back where you started, we need less goverment, but we’ve past the point of no return, so they try to spend they’re way out of it, new policies, new comities. This costs money, taxes go up. The reason I can’t hire more people, or pay the ones I have more, has nothing to do with minum wage. It’s because more than half the money I make is taken through taxes. I want to hire a manager at the gym, I can’t afford it. The gyms a sucsess, I have 600+ members in a 5000sqft building, all my equipment is payed for, 600 x 40$ a month is 24000$ a month, less than 3000$ of that is mine to keep. Where does 21 thousand dollars a month go. 6 grand to my land lord, and the rest to the goverment. It breaks my heart, goverment is killing small buisness.

Anyway this rant was alittle more peacefull :slight_smile: Nothing gets changed without discusion, and I didn’t mean to insult anyone the first time, but kids have to open they’re eyes. They’re liberal professors, filling they’re head with liberal idea’s of more goverment, more programs, more more more. Look around, there’s no small buisness left anymore, only big buisness, with big tax breaks, and loop holes. Big buisness doing hand shakes behind closed doors, donating to so and so’s campain. we need to get rid of the fat cats in office, find honest men, that want change.

I wish you could have seen what just happened, here in Toronto, when a hard working honest mayor, tried to do cut backs, wanted tro reduce the size of council form 44 to 22, they raped him in the media, the world now thinks he’s a crack head. Here, we know the truth, the first mayor in 50yrs to have a tax surplus 12 million, after 2yrs, just a normal hard working dude, getting shit done. The big wigs shut him down. I don’t know how we get out of this mess, but I don’t see raising minum wage, being anything but a short term band-aid. Sorry about ramble.

[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Sorry if during my rant I refered to anyone as an idiot, I’m not personaly upset with anyone here, just the situation. I work hard to be where I am, and I’m taxed to death, every day I here about crooked politics, and people scaming money. It drives me nuts, I’m not trying to get rich, just live a good life. I don’t feel the way out of this mess is through more politics, more comities, more goverment involvment. I think we need a reboot, just like my computer, when it gets screwed up, I reset factory settings. We need to go back to a small goverment, and start over. More than 60% of people right now make they’re living from the goverment, in some form, this isn’t a free society. How can someone run for goverment, on a platform of less goverment spending, pulling back the size of the goverment, when 60%+ make they’re living from the goverment, you’ll never get elected on this platform. In Canada, nobody that works for the goverment makes less than 80 grand a year, including a bus driver. My wife works for the post office, and makes 30 bucks an hour, plus benifits, and pension. Were going broke paying all these people, and then they’re pensions. People live forever now days. They work 30yrs, and then live for another 40yrs. We pay for this, cities are going bankrupt. The problem isn’t minum wage, we need to shrink the size of the goverment, privatize all these jobs, and loosen up the taxes, so the economy can grow, or say fuck it, let everyone work for the goverment, and go comunist. If you want to talk about real solutions, forget minum wage, jack minum wage, and it kills the economy, small buinesses die, or they jack the price of they’re goods, and then raising minum wage did nothing, because stuff just costs more. Back where you started, we need less goverment, but we’ve past the point of no return, so they try to spend they’re way out of it, new policies, new comities. This costs money, taxes go up. The reason I can’t hire more people, or pay the ones I have more, has nothing to do with minum wage. It’s because more than half the money I make is taken through taxes. I want to hire a manager at the gym, I can’t afford it. The gyms a sucsess, I have 600+ members in a 5000sqft building, all my equipment is payed for, 600 x 40$ a month is 24000$ a month, less than 3000$ of that is mine to keep. Where does 21 thousand dollars a month go. 6 grand to my land lord, and the rest to the goverment. It breaks my heart, goverment is killing small buisness. Anyway this rant was alittle more peacefull :slight_smile: Nothing gets changed without discusion, and I didn’t mean to insult anyone the first time, but kids have to open they’re eyes. They’re liberal professors, filling they’re head with liberal idea’s of more goverment, more programs, more more more. Look around, there’s no small buisness left anymore, only big buisness, with big tax breaks, and loop holes. Big buisness doing hand shakes behind closed doors, donating to so and so’s campain. we need to get rid of the fat cats in office, find honest men, that want change. I wish you could have seen what just happened, here in Toronto, when a hard working honest mayor, tried to do cut backs, wanted tro reduce the size of council form 44 to 22, they raped him in the media, the world now thinks he’s a crack head. Here, we know the truth, the first mayor in 50yrs to have a tax surplus 12 million, after 2yrs, just a normal hard working dude, getting shit done. The big wigs shut him down. I don’t know how we get out of this mess, but I don’t see raising minum wage, being anything but a short term band-aid. Sorry about ramble.

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Your post is way too long and convoluted , Welcome to civilization I don’t know where you live but the more people that live near you the more GOV you need , sorry , just the facts .

I wish you luck , I am also a contractor in AZ , I come from a long line of Contractors . I would suggest going Union and promoting Union :slight_smile: Peace out

It’s not the facts, bus driver’s - garbage men - postal workers - road crews - The only jobs that need to be goverment, are military, police, court system, and elected officials, everything else should be private, there’s no need to be paying 75 cents of every dollar in taxes, Probably more, if you add in consumtion taxes. The point where everyone works for the goverment is called comunist, thats what are grandpa’s died fighting against, and we’re over 60% of the way there, with more people becoming goverment employies every day, and you say welcome to civilization

It may have been character assassination for political purposes, but the dude was/is smoking crack like a chimney and acting like a drunken fool.
Aside from that I think you have a great perspective.

[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
It’s not the facts, bus driver’s - garbage men - postal workers - road crews - The only jobs that need to be goverment, are military, police, court system, and elected officials, everything else should be private, there’s no need to be paying 75 cents of every dollar in taxes, Probably more, if you add in consumtion taxes. The point where everyone works for the goverment is called comunist, thats what are grandpa’s died fighting against, and we’re over 60% of the way there, with more people becoming goverment employies every day, and you say welcome to civilization[/quote]

why ? I live in a big metropolis . If not for Gov we would have no bus service probably no garbage , probably no postal service either .

You should name a few countries that have started out with private money .

I can name you many vast areas that are tax free and no infrastructure and ZERO development an abundance of poverty

I will say we could pare down our GOV in many places and it would be a good thing .

But the idea of government is that we pool our money and buy the things we need for cheaper than private could do . Does it fail on many cases ? ABSOFUCKINGLUTLY . That is when we should be up their ass and why did it fail ? and fix the problem

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
If not for Gov we would have no bus service probably no garbage , probably no postal service either .

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So… Arizona has no taxi’s, no dumpster pickups and no FedEx or UPS then?

lmao…

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
If not for Gov we would have no bus service probably no garbage , probably no postal service either .

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So… Arizona has no taxi’s, no dumpster pickups and no FedEx or UPS then?

lmao…[/quote]

Sure we have taxis in AZ a trip to the Airport via taxi $25 via bus $2 go ahead and make all you mail via fed ex or UPS I think a letter for $.48 is remarkable

You should go to one of those large slums like Mumbai and start a trash service . I doubt they have much competition , probably on any infrastructure .

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
If not for Gov we would have no bus service probably no garbage , probably no postal service either .

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So… Arizona has no taxi’s, no dumpster pickups and no FedEx or UPS then?

lmao…[/quote]

Sure we have taxis in AZ a trip to the Airport via taxi $25 via bus $2 go ahead and make all you mail via fed ex or UPS I think a letter for $.48 is remarkable [/quote]

The bus service and mail service is cheap at the point of sale because you pay for all the overhead through taxation.

I mean, I have no idea what the breakout is, but if the state still provided those services, and didn’t collect taxation, the price of a bus ride, while likely less than a taxi that ports a single passenger, would be significantly more than $2.

You see what I’m saying? It is cheap at the point of sale. And the only reason it is cheap is because the rest of the overhead was taken out of your paycheck already. It doesn’t mean the service costs that little, it doesn’t. The costs are just socialized across everyone, not just customers, and paid in a remote way (taxation).

No free lunch and all that.

Look at it like this: You can bet the for profit company is doing the action at the lowest cost possible, right? Well, you can look up what FedEx’s profit margin is. Even if you chopped that off the price and the service was priced at cost, it would still be higher than government pricing right? Well… Then it stands to reason the government service has prices below costs then, so those costs have to be paid for elsewhere.

[quote]You should go to one of those large slums like Mumbai and start a trash service . I doubt they have much competition , probably on any infrastructure .

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I’m not advocating the complete removal of government systems. I’m just saying we don’t need the government to provide these things. It may be more convenient, but then again it might be a waste fo funds.

With that cheap public transportation it allows many that could not afford a car to be gainfully employed that other wise could not afford to get a job .

When my normal commute of a half hour turns into an hour and a half I am very appreciative of public transportation

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

You see what I’m saying? It is cheap at the point of sale. And the only reason it is cheap is because the rest of the overhead was taken out of your paycheck already. .
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gladly pay my taxes

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

I’m not advocating the complete removal of government systems.
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you sure sound like it

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
why ? I live in a big metropolis . If not for Gov we would have no bus service probably no garbage , probably no postal service, or beautiful sunsets either .[/quote]
Fixed that for you. Why would you have none of those things? I think what you mean is, some of those things may be more expensive if others weren’t robbed to subsidize your desires.

I can’t. Robert Morris contributed a lot to the revolution in America.

Tax free, as in no taxes, or tax free, as in the people are too poor to pay anything?

Where couldn’t it be cut down?

[quote]But the idea of government is that we pool our money and buy the things we need for cheaper than private could do . Does it fail on many cases ? ABSOFUCKINGLUTLY . That is when we should be up their ass and why did it fail ? and fix the problem
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Not sure I’ve ever before read that given as the idea of government. How is it supposed to work? If you and I walk into a hot dog stand, pool our money, and buy 50 hot dogs, then we may get each dog for a little less than we would have if we each bought just one. However, if we first go next door, to the burger joint, stick a gun in the ear of a man trying to buy a burger for him and his wife, then bring them to the hot dog stand with us, make them buy 50 hot dogs(so we get 100 total) so we get each dog even cheaper, then half of the little cooperative we have set up is still worse off than it would have been(although we are willing to let the nice couple have half the dogs…THEY WANTED BURGERS).

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

You see what I’m saying? It is cheap at the point of sale. And the only reason it is cheap is because the rest of the overhead was taken out of your paycheck already. .
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gladly pay my taxes
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I pay mine, not gladly by any stretch, but I do.

The point is, the service isn’t really that much cheaper than say using FedEx, if at all cheaper.

[quote]NickViar wrote: or beautiful sunsets either
Fixed that for you. Why would you have none of those things? I think what you mean is, some of those things may be more expensive if others weren’t robbed to subsidize your desires.

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in RE: to sunsets , you need to visit AZ it has some of the most spectacular sunsets

Tell me where with out a vast amount of wealth that has no infrastructure ? I would go as far to say that most wealth can not be created with out infrastructure .

Probably the best argument would be some of the oil rich countries where the people in power keep all the wealth for themselves

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
The point is, the service isn’t really that much cheaper than say using FedEx, if at all cheaper. [/quote]

$20.20 for dec 9th delivery Fed Ex express saver

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
The point is, the service isn’t really that much cheaper than say using FedEx, if at all cheaper. [/quote]

$20.20 for dec 9th delivery Fed Ex express saver
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What is the USPS for the same package in the same time? (Your second link didn’t bring me to the same place you were, just a map to start my own search…)

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
The point is, the service isn’t really that much cheaper than say using FedEx, if at all cheaper. [/quote]

$20.20 for dec 9th delivery Fed Ex express saver
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What is the USPS for the same package in the same time? (Your second link didn’t bring me to the same place you were, just a map to start my own search…)[/quote]

$.48

Supply and demand folks. The more people make, the more they want to spend. The more they spend, the less supply from finite resources. The less supply, the more things cost. I mean this is the most simple terms of economics.

Unless we ever evolve into a truly collectivist society, learn to control our breeding habits, and balance what we take from the Earth, we will always live in a world of haves and have nots.

When you live in a world of haves and have nots, the haves will want to keep their stuff and the have nots want their piece of the pie (whether earned or not). You can try to regulate this through policies, laws, and violence, but it will always be there. There is no answer in the current environment we have.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
The point is, the service isn’t really that much cheaper than say using FedEx, if at all cheaper. [/quote]

$20.20 for dec 9th delivery Fed Ex express saver
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What is the USPS for the same package in the same time? (Your second link didn’t bring me to the same place you were, just a map to start my own search…)[/quote]

$.48
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You think it cost USPS $.48 to ship a package?