I cut everything 3-4 weeks before labs, but ace is quick, e isn’t bad. Neither will show higher TT anyway.
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Not to derail the subject but how come nobody suggested the OP to run mast as an alternative to both EQ and primo? (no high RBC like with EQ and much cheaper than primo)?
Aren’t the benefits of mast similar to both - lean, steady gains - and the side effects fairly similar to both?
OP, how were you happy with the result Masteron gave you on your first blast? If yes, how about a dose of:
500 test/wk (possibly 600)
500 mast/wk (possibly 600)
Maybe add in an oral at the beginning or end of your cycle, depending on your goals. I wonder how 20-30mg of dbol at the beginning would work with the mast. Or perhaps some tbol or anavar the last few weeks for an extra boost.
I believe Primo is superior to masteron if his goals are to mild bulk. Mast never did much for me in that way. That’s my reasoning anyway.
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I’m coming off of 500mg mast e and I feel like it didn’t do much of anything. I wasn’t lean enough to achieve that dry grainy look that others mention. Libido was great though but I was also running Tren so I’m not sure just mast or both actually contribute to that.
Yea, i dropped my mast also…
I swaped it to Ostarine and it actually does work better. I believe it really changed how my mid-section looks.
Altho it might be cause its finally summer here and i also sweat a lot and i have lost like 2lbs of water, so it MIGHT be a coincidence but if its not, 25mg Ostarine a day works much better than 500mg of mast did for me.
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My biggest concern with running high test is acne. Idk if high e2 is related to acne. From past experience I’ve running 210mg TRT for months and never broke out. As soon as I added HCG as low as 50iu 3x weekly my e2 spiked out of range and I started breaking out worse than ever before…left me scarred up (shoulders/arms/back). Dropped the hcg and acne has reduced about 75% before the cycle. On cycle it gets a bit worse, as expected but nothing compared to running hcg…but I also keep my test at a TrT level.
I would love to run 500mg test, but if I run an AI and keep my e2 mid range does that mean that I’m less likely to break out. Is acne more related to e2 management ?
I see all of these massive bodybuilders/fitness guys who are obviously on a ton of gear and have perfect skin. How do they do this? Is it simply a few cycle of accutane and then you’re set? Are they keeping their e2 low/mid range? What’s the secret to running a good amount of gear for growth without being covered in acne.
I literally shower with peroxide wash daily, use spot Acne treatment, use salicylic acid daily and still break out and get scars. I’d love to run more test and other compared, but acne is always a concern. Defeats the purpose of getting jacked if you’re embarrassed to take your shirt off 
They prob don’t have perfect skin close up and without filters. Even if I’m wrong your are looking at the genetically elite / hyper responders to gear. Those guys are 1 in a 100,000+ compared to average Joe’s.
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I assume every pic posted has a filter or skin smoothed these days. There’s a few guys on YouTube and you can tell their skin has been beat up by the AAS
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Nothing online is real. Its all fake. Its all shopped. Even people in those pictures dont look like those pictures. I have seen a few fitness models from my country in the gym and boooy is it a letdown. Some of them are worse looking than some average women at the gym. Same goes with guys - all the big ones are actually 5’5 - not that its a bad thing, its just that you look at Branch Warren and think he is huge but then you see him next to an average height woman and he just looks like a bloated dwarf and is not impressive at all.
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Those guys someone actually wants to watch are the genetic elite. They look better natty than me and you will ever look on the best cycles after 15 years. Genetic elite not only look better natty than most steroid users. They also respond much better and much more effective. There are some black guys who do pushups and look like pro bodybuilders and same goes with drugs - i know guys who take 30mg of dbol a day and they look like they are on grams of shit. Then they skip a meal or two for a few days and now they are ripped and stage ready. With this, also comes little or no side effects, as they need so little and it is used up so optimally they just dont get any side effects.
And… in the higher levels of media and following and money - its the nr 2 combined with nr 1 for the most epic and unrealistic effect ever.
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Thanks for all the input. I’ve decided for my mild bulk cycle to up my TRT to 250mg test cyp and add 250mg of boldenone (only for e2 management). Decided to skip the primo because of the cost and DHT/hair shedding experience I had with masterone.
This will be a much longer cycle than I initially planned. I want to do a 12 weeks bulk/hypertrophy phase and then transition into a 12 week powerlifting phase…so 24 weeks total (October - March). I do plan on adding Anadrol into the mix during the last 4 weeks of the powerlifting phase.
My thought behind this cycle was that I’m increasing my calories and doubling my TRT dose/total testosterone…that should be enough over a 6 month period to pack on some size and get stronger. This cycle will lead into a 3 month off cycle
Phase (just TRT) and then another 12 week cutting phase (new cycle/new compounds). I’m trying to keep things on the safer side and I know these are low doses but I’m optimistic that less is more and diet/training play a bigger role than just AAS doses alone.
Thanks
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