(Mighty) Stu Yellin, WNBF Pro Updates n Q&A

Hi Stu!

I think You are one of the most experienced Users on T-Nation :slight_smile: I like to take advices from ā€œoldestā€ people than from 20 years old conselors from other boards :slight_smile:

I have question to You. What do You think about train by intuition? I mean for example not schedule rest/off days ( when i’m feelling very well, very regenerated i will go to the gym, when i’m feelling tired i will stay in home ), one day train with heavy weights becouse i’m feelling power, sometimes do 3 sets per exercises, sometimes 6 sets, sometimes train 10 days in a row, sometimes only 2 days etc. I think You know what i mean.

I have my favourite routine ( Chest + Bic, Back, Shoulders + Tri, Legs ) and detail ( my first exercises is always heavy lift; SQ, BP, DL, Military Press in less reps but more sets and i try to add weights every time ). I always stick to that. Other things i’m changing :slight_smile: I’m the most enjoying from doing it.

So, do You prefer stick 100% to any train program or basic on Your intuition?

[quote]Abkol wrote:
Hi Stu!

I think You are one of the most experienced Users on T-Nation :slight_smile: I like to take advices from ā€œoldestā€ people than from 20 years old conselors from other boards :slight_smile:

I have question to You. What do You think about train by intuition? I mean for example not schedule rest/off days ( when i’m feelling very well, very regenerated i will go to the gym, when i’m feelling tired i will stay in home ), one day train with heavy weights becouse i’m feelling power, sometimes do 3 sets per exercises, sometimes 6 sets, sometimes train 10 days in a row, sometimes only 2 days etc. I think You know what i mean.

I have my favourite routine ( Chest + Bic, Back, Shoulders + Tri, Legs ) and detail ( my first exercises is always heavy lift; SQ, BP, DL, Military Press in less reps but more sets and i try to add weights every time ). I always stick to that. Other things i’m changing :slight_smile: I’m the most enjoying from doing it.

So, do You prefer stick 100% to any train program or basic on Your intuition?[/quote]

Not to answer for Stu, but I think a lot of it has to do with your experience level and knowledge of training. If you’re relatively new to training, just doing what you feel like doing each day with no long term plan or general direction to ensure progression is a good way to spin your wheels. In that case, you might be better off sticking to a specific program or scheme

[quote]Abkol wrote:
Hi Stu!

I think You are one of the most experienced Users on T-Nation :slight_smile: I like to take advices from ā€œoldestā€ people than from 20 years old conselors from other boards :slight_smile:

I have question to You. What do You think about train by intuition? I mean for example not schedule rest/off days ( when i’m feelling very well, very regenerated i will go to the gym, when i’m feelling tired i will stay in home ), one day train with heavy weights becouse i’m feelling power, sometimes do 3 sets per exercises, sometimes 6 sets, sometimes train 10 days in a row, sometimes only 2 days etc. I think You know what i mean.

I have my favourite routine ( Chest + Bic, Back, Shoulders + Tri, Legs ) and detail ( my first exercises is always heavy lift; SQ, BP, DL, Military Press in less reps but more sets and i try to add weights every time ). I always stick to that. Other things i’m changing :slight_smile: I’m the most enjoying from doing it.

So, do You prefer stick 100% to any train program or basic on Your intuition?[/quote]

PWolves really hit the main point with his reply. When you’re at a certain point in your training (beginner to intermediate), you may be the smartest guy in the gym, but not only might you not be able to fully read your body yet, but your development is usually so limited that you can’t really make broad assumptions about how your physique may react to certain approaches.

When I first read your question, I immediately remember an old Flex article ā€œbyā€ Paul Dillet. In it he went on and on about how he trained ā€œinstinctively.ā€ Of course to any relatively inexperienced gym rat, this is probably the worst type of article to read. Some type of structure is an absolute necessity when you’re first building a foundation. Later on though, as you physically develop, you will be in a much better position to ascertain what areas are lagging and need more, or possible just different, work, and what areas are responding well to what you’ve been doing.

In my own case, while I used to plan off days, or even entire weeks off simply because everyone training in the 90’s was obsessed with recovery (usually too obsessed, and missing out a bit on possible gains IMO), I hardly ever took any rest days the last 8 years or so, and during contest preps, aside from 2 days over several years when I was truly in bed barely conscious from fever, there were no off days at all.

Now, that I’m not sporting the crushed velvet posing trunks again anytime soon, I find myself taking rest days for one of two reasons. 1- I truly need it. I’m 40, and I’d be lying if I said my joints didn’t ache a bit at times, or that I just felt a bit run down. 2- Life gets in the way. If I had non-gym commitments during a prep, I’d always find a way to train at 4am or something crazy. Now, if I’ve been up on a workday since 5, and I’m getting home after 10 at night, there’s no reason to kill myself trying to ā€œfit in at least a short session.ā€ In the long run, I have no doubt that the rest after stressing my body mentally all day is the better call.

In terms of what I do at the gym… like you, some days I like to do a lot of different exercises for a few sets each, while others I may just do one or two selections, but for plenty of sets. Currently training around my shoulder, there are days where I had planned to do x,y and z, but for whatever reason, y caused me a ton of pain. Simple fix, just pound away with x and z. I know that some people will hold firm to the stance that you can build a more complete physique by training every muscle from unlimited angles and positions. Others will swear that doing so is solely a way to thwart boredom and isn’t really needed.

Dorian Yates didn’t really change much of his exercise selections from the time he was an amateur all the way until he was a 6x Mr.Olympia winner. Then again, you will always find some people that just won’t respond as well as our obviously gifted Mr. Yates to a similar approach.

My advice to you is to keep doing what you’re doing, but only as long as it’s actually yielding you the results you’re after. Go heavy and hard on those days that you’re feeling great, and backing off on the days you’re a bit less than 100% (push the volume on those days instead). Always be mindful of what you’re physique is looking like. You may not be after a contest ready build, but I think it’s safe to say that everyone who goes to the gym has some image in their mind that they’d like to eventually resemble.

S

So last Sunday I attended an WNBF Judges meeting in CT, and not only had a wonderful time rubbing shoulders with some true legends in the sport (several multi-world champions in one room), but I got to hear stories and get advice from a few folks who have truly been around the block.

One thing that I thought was of interest, especially to anyone who has pondered the many different ā€˜natural’ federations, was just what the deal is, and how it’s common for competitors to fail a drug test in one federation, and then spin around and turn pro, sometimes even becoming a promoter, in another. I’ll do my best to explain, as I’ve seen the question come up on here every time a first time competitor has to pick from a few different contests to do.

Obviously (I assume) all federations that claim to be ā€œnaturalā€, or ā€œdrug testedā€ do some form of testing. The degree to which, the number of athletes, and what is truly done with the test results are what must really be looked at.

-Urine tests can be completed with a wide spectrum of substances being tested for. There are some federations that may choose the battery that includes certain ā€œgrayā€ level supplements, but if a competitor’s sample tests positive, they simply overlook it for whatever reasons.

-Some federations simply don’t select to test for these ā€œgrayā€ level products, essentially signalling a green light for their use by competitors.

-Different levels of failure- What I assume this to mean, is that the amount of, and possibly number of different substances that comes up, can constitute degrees of whether it will be overlooked or not. I would guess that a matter like this would most likely be a promoter decision.

-An additional point that was made, was the deliberate elimination in certain federation’s list of polygraph questions, an inquiry as to whether the competitor has ever failed a drug test in another federation. In this instance, the administrators and promoters are fully aware of the line they are carefully skirting around. Couple this one with the others I mentioned above, and it’s pretty easy to see how you can find such a list of ex-Wnbf’ers who are now Pros in other feds.

Please realize that I’m not sharing this to create any bad blood between federations, because obviously I’m coming to this from the position of a Wnbf Pro and Judge. Still, I think we’re smart enough to realize that there can be a large difference in the various banned substance lists that are all readily available for viewing online, as well as being able to find notices of failed tests by certain names in the sport.

S

So in keeping with my updates on all things related to my training and the competitive side of the sport, I guess you could say I’ve had a small issue the last month and a half.

It’s odd, because it’s one of those things that I have absolutely no idea how it happened, or to be honest, exactly what ā€œitā€ even is.

Using my hands so much (bodybuilding, drawing, tons of typing), it’s not uncommon to experience the jammed finger here and there. Well, my right index finger, middle knuckle felt pretty tight one morning upon waking. I yanked it trying to ā€œpopā€ it back into place like I’ve been doing for years, but to no avail. This feeling lasted a few days, until I just sort of got used to the little tightness and very slight pain if I prodded the area.

I went skiiing and had no issues. I continued hitting my workouts a solid 6, sometimes 7 days each week, with no limitations. After about a month, I realized that the knuckle was swollen a bit larger than the corresponding one on my other hand. I reached out to some of my medical contacts and arranged an X-Ray as MRI. The X-ray showed nothing amiss, quickly alleviating my assumption that I had broken something. The MRI showed some thickening (inflammation) of the tendons, only in that small area. The Doc sent me to get some blood work, just to rule certain things out. Well, after seeing the Rheumatologist yesterday, he told me what I already knew, that what we were basically considering (arthritis) was really a bone issue, and the ones in my fingers were perfectly fine.

He gave me a script for a corticosteroid, which I haven’t filled yet (wondering if I need to), because both Docs think this may just subside on it’s own. When I suggested some type of soft tissue trauma that I had unknowingly experienced, he nodded, adding that ā€œthings like thisā€ can take up to 6 months sometimes.

I know getting a ā€˜shot’ is always an option, as I’ve had a few in my left elbow over the years, but it’s probably not a great idea to just treat them as nonchalantly as some people do. I’m probably going to take some Naproxin (basically extra strength Alieve) for a few days, and then consider filling the script.

I guess it just makes me think to how many ā€œinjuriesā€, bruises, bumps and lumps I’ve had over the years with absolutely no idea what I had done to get them . As an old doctor spoke into his tape recorder many years ago after sticking a very long needle into the bottom of my foot (bone spur) in reference to my not even wincing: ā€œMr. Yellin has a remarkable tolerance for painā€ - lmao. Lucky me I guess :slight_smile:

S

Thats odd, hopefully it clears up. Is it interfering with anything?

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Thats odd, hopefully it clears up. Is it interfering with anything?[/quote]

That’s just it, it’s not really getting in the way of anything I do day to day, but I know the joint just isn’t the way it’s supposed to be. And of course, my not knowing exactly what the hell I did/happened in the first place is a little thorn in my mind slowly making me crazy -lol.

I’ll probably fill that script tomorrow when I get home from work, just to see if it helps at all. I’ve never been a fan of any kind of pain meds, but realizing how much the few cortizone shots I’ve had over the years have actually allowed me to fully heal, well, I’m certainly not against it if it appears my body can’t sort itself out on its own.

S

So in just showing how much the media can cloud public perception, or possibly just how little some people in the ā€˜medical community’ really know about PEDs, I went to fill that script a couple of nights ago.

When the pharmacist handed me the bag containing the bottle of pills, she stressed that she was giving me a ā€œsteroidā€.
ā€œyou mean a corticosteroid?ā€ I sort of questioned while trying not to sound like a dick in correcting her.
She ignored my reply and asked if I was intending to take the pills ā€œfor pain, or for breathing?ā€
ā€œActually, I’m planning on taking them to alleviate some inflammation I’ve been experiencingā€
Another nasty look.

Seriously though, I would think that no one would want to take corticosteroids if they didn’t need to. With all the stories of them being helpful, yet running the risk of excessive use actually breaking down certain tissues, did this woman with years of education (I know a couple of Pharmacists and their schooling was pretty intense) really not comprehend the different between them and actual performance enhancing compounds? Possibly she figured that I didn’t? Honestly, it was just an odd exchange that left me chuckling.

Lonnie- You work in the ā€œfieldā€ as well being a fairly intelligent guy; was this just something stupid I misinterpreted through my gym rat colored glasses, or did this woman just seriously not understand the difference?

S

I could see a few things happening here:

1 - It was probably a pharmacy TECH that was physically handing you the meds, which have no where near the experience or schooling of a pharmacist and likely only have cursory knowledge of meds they pick up on the job. And since corticosteroids are almost exclusively called simply ā€œsteroidsā€ by professionals, she might have had a moment of ā€œOMG I’m handing this heavily muscled guy TEH STEROIDS!!ā€ not knowing the difference

2 - Since you dont fit the typical mold of people getting Corticosteroids (dif breathing or old people), and Going with my inexperienced pharm tech hypothesis, she could have also handed it to you thinking ā€œI wonder why he needs?ā€ and was just checking to make sure you were getting the right thing

3 - Or if it was a real pharmacist, it might have been the same thing as in #2… You just dont look like a guy that needs prednisone or whatever you were getting.

4 - I recently had to go to the pharmacy to get some GI meds for someone, and they always were very careful to make sure I knew what I was getting and always asked if I wanted the Pharmacists to come over and educate me on the pills. So it might just have been a routine thing of ā€œYou know what this medicine is, right?ā€ … Especially with a med that has no many potential side effects like a Corticosteroid, she may have just been being extra cautious that you knew exactly what it was you were taking.

5 - … And of course she may have just been THAT ignorant, which is scary…

In any event… How’s the hand?

lol, you’;re probably right, with any of those possible cases. I guess I just thought it odd considering the people I’m usually chatting with, certain things are just assumed knowledge.

Been taking the meds for several days now, and while at times I may think that it has gone down a small degree, it’s definitely still inflammed compared to other digits on both hands. I’ll finish off the bottle (got a week’s worth) and touch base with the Doc. As I basically always expect now, I’m sure there’s most likely going to be another shot in my future.

At least it’s not affecting my work, or even my training at all. I just don’t want to brush this off as nothing, only to end up with some serious issues with my dominant (and used for drawing) hand down the line.

S

Hopefully it works itself out without anything major.

Well, no great shakes from the week or Prednisone, and to be honest, I can’t even tell anymore if the swelling has gone down at all. I’ll probably check in the with doc either this week or next week, just to see if I should try and wait it out, or if there’s another option.

In the meantime, life’s been a little hectic, but luckily Cat will be done with her 2nd grad degree in May, and things will calm down a bit.

Also,. a bit of good news that the we’ve been sitting on,… Cat’s 12 weeks pregnant! So we’re looking at a little might bundle of joy this coming October, and I couldn’t be happier. Been carrying around a pic of the recent sonogram on my cel phone and just staring at it throughout the day -lol. Despite everything I’ve done and accomplished in my life, at times, I still really do feel like I’m still a kid, just winging it. I guess though, at 40, graying in my goatee, seeing my hair thin a bit, and now, a soon to be father,… maybe I am an adult after all. :slight_smile:

S

That is awesome Stu, congratulations! Really happy for you and Cat

Crazy man, if your patience and attitude on here are any indicator of Real Life Stu, you should be a good dad

This is great to hear Stu,Congrats to you both.

You’ll grow up real fast and become an adult when the baby comes…trust me. : )

Congratulations!

[quote]timmcbride00 wrote:
You’ll grow up real fast and become an adult when the baby comes…trust me. : )

Congratulations![/quote]

I didn’t. I just got new playmates :smiley: I have 3 kids, my wife has 4 :wink:

–Me

Big congrats on the baby Stu! Wishing the best for you and your family.

[quote]kravi wrote:

[quote]timmcbride00 wrote:
You’ll grow up real fast and become an adult when the baby comes…trust me. : )

Congratulations![/quote]

I didn’t. I just got new playmates :smiley: I have 3 kids, my wife has 4 :wink:

–Me[/quote]

Ha, ha, good point, well you grow up on some levels (having to provide for other people), but stay a kid on other levels, i.e. playing with toys, romping around!

Hey Stu, how u doing man?

After a long time doing high volume trainin with low frequency (bodypart trained once a week) i guess im a little bit desapointed with my results, i train for about 4,5 years and im willing to try something new, im here just to ask for a little help of yours, i need a sugestion, i just dont know where to begin, wich split , if im going to train till failure, the volume, exercises, rep range…
Im thinking about DC training or PHAT by layne norton, im lost my brother, could you help me?