Mighty Stu, How do you Train?

While my lifts were nothing a ‘real’ powerlifter would even notice, they were pretty good for me. I’ve always maintained that I’m a weak powerlifter, but a damn strong bodybuilder -lol.

I was probably pushing my heaviest weights when I was weighing about 195 lbs or so. My bests that I can recall:
Back Squat - 550
Front squat - 275 (5 reps)
Full Dead - 500
Flat Bench - 385 (for 2 reps, I totally regret not trying for 400, but this was the beginning of my shoulder problems -lol)
Inline BB - 315
Military Press BB - 275

Hmnnn can’t really think of any lifts worth mentioning… I will be the first to point out that I always would have prefered to have had the size over the strength. If anything, I’ve wondered if the muscle strength contributed to some of the joint pains and aches I’ve experienced over the years. actually, it was in my attempts to traing AROUND my strength that enabled me to put on more size (different angles, new exercises, pre-exhaust, rotating exercise order each week, rep tempos…)

I had mentioned in my earlier post (last night) what my basic split was in grad school. To elaborate on the exercises (I started keeping a notebook log at this time, even had a pic of Yates pasted in the back! -lol)

MON:
Flat Bench, Inc DBs, DB Flyes
DB laterals, DB Presses
Skull Crushers, Dips
WED:
Pullovers, Rev Grip Chins, BB Rows, Dead
Inc DB Curls, BB Curls
FRI:
Squats, Leg Extensions, Leg Curls, Calf Raises (I didn’t know anything else for hams!)

I’ll continue after lunch -lol

S

My next memorable split was:
Chest
Shoulders and tris
Back and Bis
Legs
I figured that I should have Chest by itself as it was such a weak area for me, and if I was only training once a week, I could probably handle more work. I was a typical M,T,Th,F type split, allowing me weds and weekends off so I could try to have some sort of social life.

Around 1998, I had just moved back to NY rom LA, and was working at different commercial studios in midtown. The ‘desk job’ really gave me the ability to control most of what I was eating. It was at this point I actually started carring food with me. My desk was routinely stocked with a few boxes of protein bars, cashews, and cans of tuna. Not to say that I ate a ‘clean’ diet… lunch most days was from one of those deli/bodegas where you take what you want and weigh it. As long as I figured I’d taken enough chicken (and not even always grilled chicken, I’d totally go for breaded, or sesame all the time), I’d have pasta with pesto sauce, plantains,… you name it. I’d also have a nice big nasty muffin with my coffee and protein bar each morning when I settled in to my desk. I always looked at my eating habits as ‘mostly’ productive. I was eating frequently, getting enough protein, and as long as I was training hard, could afford to have some ‘normal’ stuff. Suffice to say, I continued making gains, which is something so many newbies on here don’t realize when they don’t eat enough… sometimes you eat so clean that you’re not getting enough total calories to make any progress.

It was also during this period of my life that I first tried the no-carb diet to get shredded for a little trip to vegas. Stupidly, I didnt realize that my particular body needed some carbs to maintain musclemass, and I plumetted from about 195 to 170… and no, I didn’t look shredded, I looked like an athlete, not a bodybuilder. After my misfortunate experiment, I started popping onto testosterone.com during my lunch hours. I had been on the site a few times, but I can still remember quite vividly printing out articles and having computer techs, and other animators looking at me like ‘what the hell are you reading?’. When I put my lost weight back on (took a few months), it looked alot different. I was never really soft per say, but this was the first time I gave any real thought to post workout nutrition (before my pop tart addiction, I would have a bowl of frosted flakes!), as well as the concept of fast proteins vs slow proteins. It’s really amazing how much of a difference those two little ‘secrets’ made in my training. I actually found myself explaining both concepts on an almost daily basis in the gym.

Okay, time for a food break :slight_smile:

S

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

IN hindsight, I did everything wrong. I was still running 9 miles a few times a week, was going to the gym every day, and I was eating a very very carb heavy diet

Questions? Answers?
(Thanks all, this was a nice little compliment)

S
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Hey Stu, I have a question for you…

I was pretty much in the same situation as you when you were young. I was 5’9" and 155 pounds and used to hit the gym 3-4 times a week and ran close to 9 miles every week, until I started coming into T-Nation forums and reading about the disadvantages of running hard/lifting.

Now I’ve only gained 15 pounds but I can definitely see a difference in my muscle mass and strength. But I’m having the hardest time trying to get rid of some love handle I have. It’s not big, but it’s there.

I know lots of it has to do with my diet which I have been really working on, but I want to incorporate a good cardio work that will help me get rid of it. I’ve been doing sprints instead of long distance running so far (4-8 100 meter dash with 30-60 sec rest in between depending on the day and how I feel).

Now I’m sure your not running 9 miles anymore. What kind of cardio work do you do now? And any advice on good cardio work for me?

Thanks Stu.

VERY interesting about being unable to maintain muscle mass without carbs. Are you sure you weren’t just undereating because of limited food options?

G

[quote]djsk wrote:
Hey Stu, I have a question for you…

I was pretty much in the same situation as you when you were young. I was 5’9" and 155 pounds and used to hit the gym 3-4 times a week and ran close to 9 miles every week, until I started coming into T-Nation forums and reading about the disadvantages of running hard/lifting.

Now I’ve only gained 15 pounds but I can definitely see a difference in my muscle mass and strength. But I’m having the hardest time trying to get rid of some love handle I have. It’s not big, but it’s there.

I know lots of it has to do with my diet which I have been really working on, but I want to incorporate a good cardio work that will help me get rid of it. I’ve been doing sprints instead of long distance running so far (4-8 100 meter dash with 30-60 sec rest in between depending on the day and how I feel).

Now I’m sure your not running 9 miles anymore. What kind of cardio work do you do now? And any advice on good cardio work for me?

Thanks Stu.[/quote]

Well, I can tell you that even though I’m specifically dieting for a show, I’ve tried to get away with as little cardio work as I can. Based on my PERSONAL experiences with my own physiology, I run a fine line between leaning out and losing muscle.

Currently, I’m doing 2 cardio sessions every 6 days (2 days weights, 1 cardio, 2 days weights, 1 cardio…). Each session lasts no longer than 20 minutes, and is always comprised of interval work, alternating 2 minutes of steady state (easy) work, and 30 seconds of all out, gut busting sprints.

You won’t drop 10 lbs of lard overnight doing this, and obviously if you were to do it with too much frequency, you would eat away at your recovery abilities and most likely (most likely!) lose some LBM. I’ve found so far in my prep, that it is a numbers game. If I were to be losing any more than a lb a week, I would know it was coming from my muscle.

Patience is a big thing here. I’ve been tempted many times during my current prep to add in more cardio and really tear things up. Luckily my training partner smacks me in the head, and tells me to ride things out. You only make changes when you stop getting results from what you’re doing.

Something else to keep in mind (and I think I may have mentioned this in my prep thread), is that keeping your muscle should be a priority.

It’s the amount of muscle you have that your metabolism has to support. Less muscle = you need less calories → metabolism slows down → you suddenly have more ‘excess’ calories to store → you think you’re getting fatter → you drop your calories again → you lose some more muscle → your metabolism slows down… (see where we’re going here? -lol)

I started out using the elliptical machine, but during my sprints it felt like it was gonna fall over, so I’ve been using a recumbent bike the last couple of weeks (little easier on my back -lol).

Hope that helps.

S

[quote]G87 wrote:
VERY interesting about being unable to maintain muscle mass without carbs. Are you sure you weren’t just undereating because of limited food options?

G[/quote]

It is possible. It was definitely during a time where I was first really coming to understand the ‘numbers’ game, and admittedly I wasn’t writing dietary decisions down (and I had a very sedentary job, so I didn’t really think I needed to be eating tons).

Of course I can’t venture a guess as to the real culprit now, I certainly know some individuals who can maintain size w/o carbs, and some who cannot.

I’ve always held the belief that it is an individualized thing, that has to do a lot with your specific metabolism, or even (I read this in a book, and it’s an interesting notion) your blood type - apparently some writers put forth the notion that different blood types can have different predispositions to ranges of insulin sensitivities.

Again, I’m not sure how possible this is, but it certainly is a novel theory to ponder -lol. I personally had a difficult time reintroducing higher carb intake to my diet the last few months after thinking for years that I couldn’t handle them. Now I think a lot more about what I’m doing on a specific day (no carbs on a cardio day, but A LOT on days I train my chest).

I’m sure some folks who are more sensitive to carbs can slowly reintroduce them to their diet in the proper manner (didn’t Thibs talk about this after a contest diet?), but at the opposite end of the spectrum, we’ve obviously got some people who will just always be better off keeping them to a minimum (usually I would guess sedentary types).

As always, it’s most likely an individualized thing and everyone needs to try to be as objective and analytical as they can. Hell, your question was something that I never would have considered, especially now, about 10 years later -lol.

S

Something I think is interesting, which I do, and seems to be a novel concept to a lot of the younger trainers in my gym, is to constantly change the order of my exercises. I truly believe that if I had not suffered the few injuries I have, that I would still be going into the gym each evening with a training journal, looking at what weights I lifted the week before, and constantly be trying to get 1 more rep, or 10 more lbs on every single lift.

Some weeks, I may start with isolation work (pre exhaust has helped me out loads in terms of bodyBUILDING and not just moving heavy weights), and others I may go straight ahead with some heavy compound work. Some back sessions I start with lat work, and others with midback. The best days are the ones when someone else is using the equipment I want to use, and I have to pick something else, usually an exercise I didn’t feel like doing… now I have to (talk about something you’re body has to adapt to).

I would also like to say that as I’ve gotten a little older (36 in 5 weeks), I actually do a bit more volume work. Possibly because I no longer attempt the sheer intensity of the most insane weights I can correctly handle (injury? Sanity of age? acceptance of my own mortality? -lol). I remember Bill Pearl writing that the more experienced lifters can handle more volume, but then every else I read through the 1990’s focused on intensity over volume. I’m sure that were I to switch back to the way I used to train maybe 5 years ago, I’d get some results simply from the new stimulus (although I would be a lot more careful at my ripe old age!). So long as your nutrition, sleep, and whatever else aids in recovery are in place, I think most of us can handle more than we expect.

S

Name some of your favorite exercises, diet foods, cheat foods and your favorite body part to train. Please, of course. :wink:

[quote]elusive wrote:
Name some of your favorite exercises, diet foods, cheat foods and your favorite body part to train. Please, of course. ;)[/quote]

Do it…or else :wink:

This is some good stuff. You mentioned exercises you did back when doing Dorian Yates type stuff, were those just with one all out set per exercise?

what do your current exercises and # of work sets look like?

Well, obviously I was influenced by Dorian Yates, I started training just as he was Mr. Olympia, and the first issue of Flex I remember having (still have it actually) was right after he won it a 2nd time in 1993. A few years ago I threw out most of my old magazines, but I kept all of the ones that covered the Mr O’s when Yates won. Just the pics alone are inspiring as hell. For everyone who grew up with Ronnie (and I love Ronnie!), I don’t think you can truly grasp just how much Yates stepped beyond where everyone else was in 1993. Levrone, another fav or mine, was one of the bigger guys on stage, but when you see just how much meat Dorian had packed onto his frame, how grainy, and stone-like in appearance it was… then couple it with the notion that he was so driven that he just outworked evryone else,… well, how could you not get all fired up to train?

ANyway, the combination of Yates’ physique, as well as my buddy Scott (Scott was huge to me, at 5’10, maybe 220), who was certainly not one to ever show off, but had this cobra like back that would essentially allow him to fill out anything he wore (which in Albany most of the year, was a lot of sweaters, sweatshirts, and hockey jerseys)… it made me realize that if you had a big back, you’d look big in any normal clothing you decided to wear. So while everyone else was obsessed with the ‘show-off’ muscles, chest, arms,… I would look forward to back and shoulders.

I know I outlined in some other thread how upon realizing that all the drones on the pulldown machines never seemed to make any progress, I forced myself to always start my back workouts with actual chin ups (this is when I was in college) before doing anything else. I routinely did the other standard exercise that most newbs gravitate towards, seated cable rows. I really can’t remember what other exercises I did, except at one point, one of the guys from the football team who knew Scott (everyone knew Scott, he bounced at one of the better bars in town, and I guess I was deemed “okay” because I was always seen training with Scott) pulled me aside and explained to me how I needed to learn how to deadlift. “Just fuck the bar” as he so eloquently put it. I didn’t get caught up in big weights yet, but by my Senior year (I started training during sophmore year), I was living off campus, using a real gym (I’d never make progress in the crappy SUNY Albany gym! -lol), and actually being exposed to some ‘hardcore’ meatheads, who were not merely college kids, but full blown nut jobs coming in to the gym each evening with a “job” to get done. This was the year I started incorporating Bent Over Barbell Rows (I would do some sets underhand, like Dorian!, and some overhand), as well as T-Bar Rows. Eventually, I abandoned my chinning fanaticism, and built most of my routine around Rows, and Deadlifts. Oh I’d still do Chins, or pulldowns, but usually towards the end of the workout, and usually with a close, or reverse grip (like Dorian! -lol). I pretty much stayed with the focus on thickness over width until recently, when I started trying to get a little wider again to balance out my thicker waist. I guess it just always seemed easier to me to get a V-Taper so long as you weren’t a big fat-ass… but the inner back? The really cool “stuff” that 90% of gym rats never seem to get… I knew that would take time, and I had to get started right away (or Dorian would be disappointed in me).

To jump all the way ahead to the last couple of years,… Mighty Stu, suffers some weird forearm chronic inflammation, and has a difficult time doing standard overhand chins. Sure my back could take it, hell, I was strapping a plate around my waist with a chain to make it more difficult, but the pain in my arm was getting horrible. I knew most people couldn’t get good back contractions simply because they allowed their biceps to do too much of the work (usually unknowingly). So one day, I decided to try to simulate a wide grip chin, but completely eliminate my arm movements (at least most of my bicep contractions). I stood in the center of the Cable X-over station, grab the handles, and then stepped backward about a foot. Looking slightly up at the ceiling, and bending my knees just a bit, I squeezed my scapulae together as controlled, and tightly as I could… until my mid back was fully crunched up, and my elbows hadn’t bent much more than a couple of degrees.AFter my first set, I realized I had stumbled upon something great. My weights started going up, and I kept this as the first exercise in my back sessions at least 9 out of 10 times. If you think you’re having trouble developing your back, start with these (don’t worry about the weight, just focus on your back, and on not contracting your biceps), and then go do some bent over rows. I guarantee you’ll send me a hateful email the day after -lol

ANother trick I had to learn through injury, was that I could no longer pull a crapload of weight doing reverse grip BB rows. My wrists were just taking a beating with the positioning. The alternatives I found that helped a lot, were two that I still incorporate a lot.
1- I will actually put the ‘curl’ bar attachment on the bottom cable station, and grasping it at the outer sections (so my thumbs are a little higher angles than my pinkies), rows as low into my pelvis as I can (I usually have to pin an extra plate to the stack, as the cables really aren’t accurate weight wise due to the mechanical advantage inherent to the device).
2- Using a smith machine, I can do rev rows, if I use a very wide grip (little bicep assistance), and allow myself to bend very far over the bar (so the bar slams into my pelvis, but my torso is angled a good foot in front of the bar’s tracking plane). If you can get the form down, you’ll really feel this one, especially after the scapular retractions if you do them first.

One more trick I’ve discovered for my back, is applicable to chinning. I like to grab the V-Attachment that so many guys use for the cable rows, and actualy hang it over the top supporting bar of the cable x-over station. I do my chins here. The difference, however between what I do, and what most of the kids in my gym do is this: I truly do not worry about full ROM. What I focus on is continuous work by my back muscles through a range of motion that keeps stress where I want it, and not where I don’t. I will pull myself up and down, usually at a slightly back angle (chest going up in line to touch the bar) simply because I feel a better contraction that way. Jim Cordova would later tell me that an 80 degree angle is the best way to build lat width, but I stumbled upon this just from thinking about how I felt doing it different ways. I also (and this is the big difference), only pul myself up until my hands are in front of my face. Sure, some trainers will say you have to go all the way and pull your elbows back behind your body for a ‘peak contraction’, but by doing so you completely shift the stress, and at the point where your arms take over most of the load, I feel that the back muscles actually slacken a bit, and you lose the intensity that you’ve built up during the set. Similarly, I will only go down so far as the back is still tensed, forget all that stretch BS, you want to make the target muscle work as hard as possible so it is forced to adapt. Besides, by utilizing a closer hand spacing (the close grip attachment), you will get a hell of a stretch even if you do not extend all the way at the bottom of the movement.

Alrighty Then! I think that’s a nice little bit about my back training approach. I actually have to go train now, but I’ll try to add some more later (staying in doing laundry today!)

S

Cool tips Stu, would you be able to list what you do as far as number of working sets (hard, maybe near failure sets) and exercises go?

For instance:

chest
Exercise 1: # work sets
Exercise 2: ‘’ ‘’

Thanks

Also if your focus is not on adding weight/reps at this point how do you judge your progress in the gym? Like how do you know this month your doing better than last month if it’s not by numbers?

Yeah, I guess I really didn’t outline any sort of routine. It’s just that so much of training is assessing your own progress, that it really is an individualized learning curve.

I do have one rule I follow with all of my routines though, I will alternate between two approaches depending on how I feel (mental acuity, energy etc)…
1- very few diff exercises, lotta sets
2- Many diff exercises, only 2 ‘work’ sets

There have been instances where I came into the gym, and done 10 sets of BB rows, and 10 sets of chins, and left totally destroyed. Other times, like yesterday for example… I did this:
-Straight arm pressdowns w/rope
-Scapular retractions
-Bent over Rows w/2 DBs
-V-Grip CHins
-Rev Rows on Low Cable.

I tend to usually err on the side of doing more warmup sets than I may need, but always make sure to end each one before I feel myself actually ‘working’ at all. Just trying to get the feeling of some blood in the area, and familiarize my body with the motion I will be asking it to perform. When I’m doing 5 different exercises like this, I would typically do 3 sets each, although admittedly, lately I’ve been doing some extra because whether it’s scientifically proven or not, I just feel like the extra work will harden me up (considering my contest prep has contained very little cardio in it so far).

As far as gauging progress, and I think I must have mentioned this (if not, I apologize), I used to always go for that extra rep, or weight, but at this point, after 16 years of training, my goal is to give the muscle something it’s not accustomed to. WHether that is a new exercise, or new rep range, or even a new order of exercises, I find that I never repeat the exact workout two weeks in a row. Of course I know that I’m pushing each set to failure, I think most of us can gauge that without some sort of objective standard.

The question I ask myself when I’m approaching the end of a set is “If I stop now, will I look back tomorrow knowing I cheated myself just a little bit?”. I also don’t typically do forced reps, although on rare occassions, usually when I’m doing heavier weights, and lower volume training, I like to to drop sets on the last set of each exercise. I do think that intensity ‘extras’ can be overused, especially if your diet and rest are not in order.

Did that clarify anything? -lol. I’ll try to check some old logs and see if I have actual numbers for you :slight_smile:

I’ll also get back to the whole foods thing after I switch my laundry and run to the supermarket (it’s a high carb day, and I want me some pasta!)

S

oh ok, yea thats what I was wondering, thanks :slight_smile:

It seems you train much more like “how the pro’s train” in the magazines. I was wondering because lately I’ve been reading a lot from C_C, Prof. X, DC followers, etc… how most big guys and pro’s actually generally ramp up to their work sets which they only do about 1-2 for per exercise. Clearly you do much more volume than this.

I was wondering how you could judge progress if you weren’t focusing on adding reps/weight but you cleared that up. Its a little hard for me to understand how you could tell you definitely progressed from say a month ago but I guess that’s something you know about your body. So you take all of your sets to concentric failure?

I always find it interesting how 2 successful lifters points of views can be so different.

I do take the majority of my working sets to failure. Of course once you’ve suffered any sort of injury, it’s always in the back of your mind not to get sloppy for the sake of one extra rep in a set.

OKay,… to some other questions that were brought up…

Favorite exercises?

I love doing Barbell Rows. I just get into that whole beastly/guttural nature of it. THere’s also something about doing an exercise that is regarded as difficult that I think spurs me on.

So many trainers do the seated cable row, or the supported row machines… I’m certainly not saying that advances in equipment is a bad thing, but thinking that I’m doing the same thing Yates did, that Arnold did, that Mentzer did… it’s like some sort of connection.

You look around at the average joe’s doing their easy exercises, and then you realize that you’re practically on the floor, wheezing, and feeling truly spent after a hard set and you know you’re working harder.

When it comes to Shoulders, of course I like doing DB presses, probably because I’ve always been really strong at them, and it looks great when you sit in front of a mirror, but I think seated laterals are the better overall exercise.

My shoulders were always a strength, I’ll reiterate that before going on, but I attribute the laterals with adding meat on the sides of my shoulders (making me look wider, as well as thicker), and creating that really cool shadow/division between the delts and the upper arms.

Unless you’re front delts are especially a weakness for you, I don’t think they need a lot of stimulation if you’re doing heavy chest (incline) work. Sure, I still do presses, but I like to start off with the laterals, which probably also gives a nice little pre-exhaust effect.

Actually, this morning, I did a complete shoulder workout which involved all isolation work before a couple sets of DB presses at the end… -Seated laterals, Bent laterals face down on an incline bench, front raises with a plate, and lastly a few sets of DB presses (still move the 100’s though! -lol).

For Chest, I’ve always been a big fan of incline barbell work. Even though I used to do heavy flat, it always seemed to affect my tris and delts more than my chest (even though my chest would get sore as hell the next day).

The incline just seemed to give me a better stretch feeling at the bottom, and as my training partner and I look back at earlier pics (before my contest cut), my upper chest looked pretty thick compared to most gym rats.

Eventually, I started ding DB work, then alternating between the two, then switching angles, from 45 degrees to 30 degrees until my current approach which is
Incline Barbell (45 degrees) followed by a few sets of Incline Dumbbells (30 degrees).

This way I’m at least hoping to preserve some of the real upper thickness I used to have, while the lower angle allows for more upper/middle chest development, which I feel I may be lacking due to flat work not really being an effective choice for my build.

For Triceps, I’ve always liked doing dips between benches. Yes, I know everyone does them with the dipping bars or similar situated machine, but the positioning of the hands (fingers facing front, palms back) just feels more natural to me.

I will typically do them with my feet elevated on one of the dumbbell racks, or even occasionally in the squat rack. What I don’t do is pile a ton of plates on my knees hoping to impress the hell out of everyone. If they seem a little easy on a given day (which is rare, as I always do them last, after rope work, and non-lockout french presses), I will really slow down the negative portion, as well as shift my torso a little more forward so that there is no ‘resting’ lockout at the top of the movement.

For biceps, I feel the most effective exercise for me over the years has been incline dumbbells curls. I actually like to scoot the incline bench right up to the dumbbell rack, and have my feet up on the rack. I find that this allows you to completely relax the rest of your body,

also keeps your head back against the bench so you don’t actually hunch forward like so many guys do in an attempt to swing the weights up. The point of the movement is to get that deep stretch at the bottom (myostatic reflex anyone? -lol), and then curl up just to the point where you biceps are about to disengage (resting the weights on your bones when you’re perpendicular to the floor!), squeeze hard, and then lower.

For anyone who’s biceps won’t grow from tons and tons of BB curls,… do these first, and then do your BB curls. After you stop whining about having to lift lighter weights, you may notice some growth.

For Quads, I’m a big believer in front squats. I spent many many years doing back squats, and again, although moving heavy ass weights, did not look like I thought I should. It was only after a couple of lower back injuries, and actually not training them for a whole year did I discover how amazingly the front squats target your quads.

Yes it is awkward as hell. Yes you will have some bruising on your collarbones once you start raising the amount of weight you’re lifting. Yes the bar will be pressed against your throats sometimes and you may panic… but suck it up man! You will feel the soreness in your quads the next day just like Flex magazine tells you you’re supposed to feel it when you back squat (but instead, only your ass hurts the next day)

For Hamstrings, without a doubt, stiff legged dead lifts. I was totally scared of doing these for along time, thinking they were just an accident waiting to happen, but really, any exercise in the gym poses a good amount of risk.

I certainly wouldn’t recommend anyone start with heavy weights, especially if they’re not used to the movement, they’re inflexible, or they’re just an idiot who won’t pay attention when some chick in tight shorts walks by.

Originally I would do these with a barbell, eventually using the smaller plates (25’s) instead of the bigger ones so that I could get a better stretch at the bottom without banging the plates on the floor (yes, I know I could stand on a box!). THe past year, I’ve moved to using dumbbells.

They just feel a lot more natural the way my arms hang down, sometimes rotating in front of my body, and sometimes rotating to my sides. Th real trick I’ve found to doing these though, is not allowing the back dominant part of the ROM to take over the movement. I do this by actually staying in the lower portion of the movement.

Before people scream at me about how dangerous it is, I will emphasize that if you keep your back straight, and do not allow it to round when you are at the bottom of the movement, or even at the ‘top’ (which isn’t very high), you should not feel a lot of stress there. IN fact, the real trick, is to stop the movement just about the point where the Dumbbells reach your knees.

This pretty much ensures that your hams are working though out the entire shortened ROM. Think of it as focusing on providing continuous tension to the muscle, yet getting a great stretch (myostatic reflex again!) at the bottom. I try to move in a slow, rhythmic almost ‘pumping’ motion. Try this before doing your usual routine of just leg curls, and watch what happens over the next couple of months.

Calf training is really pretty boring. I know I’ve been asked a hell of a lot on here about what I do, and let me tell you that there aren’t any real secrets I’ve discovered. What I have learned is this:

1- Angling your toes doesn’t do a damn thing. What can make a small difference is whether your typically place your foot stress at the top of the movement (full contraction) on the inner ‘balls’ of your feet, or if you tend to rotate outward naturally. I’m sure most of you are sitting down now, press your feet into the floor, first angled in even so slightly (not your ankle!

Don’t bend your ankles doing this or you WILL hurt yourself), then outward soooo subtly. See what I mean?!

2- I most people, the gastrocnemius can handle heavy weights, and will be best suited for low rep work (employed during knees straight calf exercises). The soleus, on the other hand, can handle lighter loads, but for more prolonged intervals of time, and is best suited for higher rep work (employed during knees bent calf exercises).

This is true MOST of the time, but unless you get yourself a muscle biopsy, you will never know with 100 % accuracy what you fast/slow twitch muscle ratio is. I like to go with the odds that I’m in the majority, only occassionally varying my rep schemes just to shake things up a bit.

3- If you insist on doing ‘calf’ work after a grueling leg workout, there is no way you will do them justice. The best thing I figured out, and this was only in the last 5 years (which means I wasted 11 years thinking I couldn’t get my calves to grow), was that if I split my calf workout into two separate sessions (one for the gastroc, and one for the soleus), I could hit them harder, and with enough volume to get some sort of adaptation response. I know do straight leg calf work after chest, and bent leg calf work after upper legs.

I’ll readily admit that most of the year (hell, most of my lifting career) I don’t do direct ab work. I find that not using a belt when doing heavy squats, shoulder presses, even stabilizing myself for BB rows or Pullups, has enabled my abs to be pretty strong.

Obviously I’ve been doing some work as I prep for a show. I’m hoping that by intentionally thickening up the front section, it will look better all depleted. My approach though, is that it’s not comfortable, and I will rather endure a short, really painful training session, than wasting tons of times doing zillions of crunches.

My partner COrey and I like to do what he calls Dragon Flags (not sure if it’s the technical name). If you’ve see Rocky IV, you know what I’m talking about. They truly hurt like hell, and I have yet to see anyone else in our crappy little gym approach us, ask what they are, and then actually be able to do one correctly -lol.

Whfew! Okay, that’s a lot of typing, hope I actually answered some questions in there! I’ll try to get to all of them, and any new ones… keep 'em coming, I’m kind of enjoying having a little forum on here :slight_smile:

S

Fantastic post on back. Exactly what I need, because I’m like you - in my mind, having a huge, wide back and shoulders is what makes or breaks a physique, and I have neither, right now :frowning:

The calf point is helpful too. I love having seperate days for squats and deads, so I’m thinking of staggering calf work into both of those. It never occured to me to split the calves like that before!

Thanks for all your posts so far, Stu, very helpful info!

That’s a ridiculously long post Stu! Will get back to it after my workout. Thanks for taking the time to write all this crap out, by the way.

Stu, this has been an informative read. You mention your training partners here and there. How important has having a reliable training partner (even if there goals took you in a different direction) been to your progress? I am thinking in terms of motivation, feedback, form, spotting, etc.

And good luck!

Stu, where are you currently teaching?

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Stu, this has been an informative read. You mention your training partners here and there. How important has having a reliable training partner (even if there goals took you in a different direction) been to your progress? I am thinking in terms of motivation, feedback, form, spotting, etc.

And good luck![/quote]

I think training partners have a time and place, of course it is all dependent on who you’re training with. When I first started lifting, I pretty much just followed my buddy Scott around, and did whatever he did. When I couldnt lift a certain weight, he’d assist so that I could. That’s really what most people imagine when they hear about a training partner, someone to egg you on, or give a little ‘spot’ when you need it.

For most of my lifting career though, I’ve trained alone. Sure, you see the same guys at the gym each night and shout the occassional encouragements, but I didn’t have specific plans to train with people.

It’s really only in the last year or so that I kind of clicked with Corey. For the most part, I’ll admit that I kind of look down on a lot of the younger trainers in my gym. I see idiots wearing their wife beaters, or shirts that are obviously a size too small, as they do exercises incorrectly, all while eyeballing me in the mirror as if to say “look what a badass I am”.

On occassion, if I’m feeling like a good guy (and not having a particularly bad day), I try to offer suggestions, or advice in as non-threatening/asshole manner as I can. Most of the time, the receipient of my advice will just ignore what I just offered up, and continue their road to no-gains-ville (which sometimes ends up with a detour to hurt-yourself-training-incorrectly-town).

I saw Corey doing Full Deads one day, and as it seemed he hadn’t fully grasped some fundamentals of the full movement, and seemed in danger of possibly hurting his back, I approached him, and after commending him for even doing deads, suggesting a variation on his form which would allow not only more weight, but less chance of injuring his spine.

Never had I met a young kid who actually listened to my most likely overly detailed explanation. Well, long story short, Corey is probably the only kid under 25 who I trust for suggestions and advice in my own training. He just recently turned 24 (I’ll be 36 in a few months), and at 6’3, has become a beast strengthwise in the gym. At first, I think he was a little scared to up his calories, considering he was a pudgy kid when he was younger.

It took some convincing, but eventually I got him eating (even doing dietary spreadsheets, an anal habit of mine -lol). During the past year, his weights have gone up at an astonishing rate. Now I’m not comparing him to a powerlifting or anything, but to see this young kid, who has only been training seriously for a little over a year, doing seated shoulder presses with the 80’s for reps… well, not too many folks in our gym can do it (I mean, really lift it with muscular strength, not throw the weights around).

Corey is now about 220 or so, at while certainly not giving Branch Warren a run in the Most-Muscular category, he has easily put on 10 lbs of solid muscle in the last year. His chest, shoudlers and arms have become incredibly thick, and his quads have a sweep that makes me jealous whenever I look at the products of my own 16 years training -lol.

We’re planning to take him down to about 200/205 and then rebulk, hopefully hitting 230 this time. (I’d like to say that 17" arms at 6’3 is mighty impressive despite how big the pros look).
Now, that you;ve got a little backstory on him, here’s the part that makes him worthwhile as atraining partner. He’s fired up sbout bodybuilding. Even though our ages are a good deal different, he’s passionate. We’ll talk total BS when we hang, but when it’s time to bang the weights, he’s all business.

Are there some differences in experience levels, strength levels, injuries between us? sure, but you always make some concessions. There aren’t too many kids with such a few years’ experiences that I will reasily listen to suggestions from. Corey will come into the gym some weeks with articles printed out from all different sources, antsy to get my thoughts on something new that we’ve never tried. He’s also been my primary set of “eyes” during my contest prep.

Everyone else in the gym who’s been watching me tighten up is constantly praising me, or kissing my ass… Corey, as he puts it, isn’t a cheerleader. He’s the guy who on my most shredded day, will call me fat and tell me that if I’m only doin g 20 mins of intervals, the other competitors are doing 30. Corey’s the guy who takes my pics each week, and scrutinizes them with no concern about hurting my feelings. Corey has my best interests in mind as I do his.

Even when we’re training different bodyparts (my schedule has changed a lot since starting my prep), there’s the constant checking on each other, spotting, “how does this look?”, or “what do you think about doing this exercise instead of that one?”.

Can I train without a partner? Of course I can, and I often do, but having a good person you can count on, to always get yourback, to be honest in appraisels, and to be helpful in suggestions is priceless… That and he’s the guy who gets to apply my Pro-Tan before my show -lol

S