Mideast Ceasefire

Ok cool vroom. The reason i guessed you had some relation to the jews out there is your use of the inclusiev ‘we’ regarding anti-islamic terrorist attacks etc. Probs cos you ideologically relate. No problem. Just i’d never said ‘we blew up the infidel pigs, rah rah’ lol but everyone assumed i was scum.

“Again, I don’t think drumming up sympathy, for either side as it is very easy to do, really amounts to a hill of beans. Yes, I am a left-leaning and I have argued that the western world creates conditions that lead to terrorism in the past. However, in no way does that mean I can justify terrorism under any circumstances.”
Ok so you and i are one in this. I just spoke for longer about these problems as they are very under-exposed in western culture/media/ ignorant social conscious etc. Admit it.

“I believe the Arab world feels that the rest of the world has advanced and they haven’t.” True. I believe they are a little backward also. But really, what fuel has driven the west’s renaissance, that we’ve all but spunked and now have to steal from peasant arabs? that’s right.

" They need to let go of their misplaced persecution complex and simply learn to coexist with everyone else." Which group are we talking about here? No seriously, i agree. Though the Israelis will have a shitload of this to do if the war ever does end.

In my understanding the only mideast countries that profit from their liquid gold are 1) pussy cons. countries that take it from USA- ie UAE, and 2) radical fucker countries that regular Americans say “we need to nuke that fucker” about. Sorry for predominance of USA, but their influence is BIG, you said you knew that, so cool, we understand each other.

“The inferior living conditions are because they won’t simply live in peace.” My agreement is gone.
“Funny, I don’t think basic needs have been denied. I don’t hear of people dying of starvation or of thirst.” Do you have a telephone to Gaza? or a cctv? No. Look up multi-prize winning palestinian journalist Amiri Baraka (think i spelt that right), who gets fucked up regularly by the IDF for writing the truth of it all.

" Hell, if the place was peaceful I’m sure they’d have full access to anyplace they wanted. This is what people don’t seem to get. " I get this, too. I agree. It’s really hot out though, and i just had to go to the bank, i’m overdrawn… man i just had to have a cigarette and water or i would have killed some infidels… No seriously You need water. If you tactically steal the water from even suspected terrorists, that’s a no-doubt stone cold war crime. to do it to people in Gaza is VERY wrong, don’t you agree. I don’t care about their worship, I’m an agnostic, but its a factor for them to sort out, as it matters to the arabs and will be a sticking point.

No water- because jews in Israel outprice it for Israeli arabs, and palestinians. Get me? You can’t move. You’re trapped in Gaza. that’s the rules. You look like a load of terrorists (you’re an arab) No water for you. Just sand lol.

On the whole vroom, i’m glad you posted that, i respect what you wrote, and you aren’t ignorant of ethics and people.

“I don’t see the Israeli military as murderers on the same level as the baby killers on the other side. That is where we diverge, and where your obvious sympathy for the terrorists makes the rest of your opinions invalid as far as I am concerned.” Ok rainjack, i don’t like being ‘accessory to babykillers’ so i’ll chill. Please realise i hate babykillers (love little babies, little shiny eyed bastards they are). I know about some shit that may change you mind. Jenin. Sabra. Shatila. Just a few. But ok, please read my original post in this thread, and don’t be dismissive, but constructive

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Ok so you and i are one in this. I just spoke for longer about these problems as they are very under-exposed in western culture/media/ ignorant social conscious etc. Admit it.[/quote]

I’m not going to “admit it”. There is no point in having the media focus on reasons that both sides are pissed off. This simply a way to garner sympathy for whoever has been transgressed against. Life isn’t fair, too bad.

Okay, you are going way over the top here. You’ve bought into the concept that the world owes the Middle East something. We pay for every drop of oil they sell to us. The fact the money is squandered by shitty leaders is what should really be pissing off the regular people.

Wow, you are showing your anti-western propaganda colors here again. The Arab world needs to understand that their ills are not based in US influence. Their ills are based in poor leadership and stupid choices over the centuries. If they want things to be better, they need to start working to better themselves and their circumstances.

These days, some very influential group of them have decided to focus on terrorism instead. Too bad. They are only driving themselves backwards. The entire region is paying the price for this decision.

Surprise, surprise.

Maybe I should just watch Al-Jazeera or Hezbollah television, right? They aren’t spewing propaganda about the unfair suffering of the Arab world at the hands of the evil Jews and the evil Americans are they?

Much of the “journalism” in the region is anything but. The Arabs have played the “we’re suffering” game too long and too hard. If they stopped playing the terrorism game, based on these “justifications” then conditions would certainly be able to improve. Only they can make this choice, or instead not make it and whine about the consequences hoping the rest of the world will give them everything they want.

I don’t have the full information on this supposed issue. Your wording suggests that the Arabic community has lost control of water supplies based on land ownership changes.

It sounds like it is a weakness or vulnerability more than anything else. Maybe this is another consequence of ongoing bad decision making skills?

“The fact the money is squandered by shitty leaders is what should really be pissing off the regular people.” True…
glad we can agree/disagree and be cool about it.

Good point about al-jazeera etc. It is just that. A counterbalance to Western propaganda, which is just that. Not trying to sound hippy, but we should take the middle way…

Alright mate. As a consequence of the (tactically stupid/half-arsed executed arab attempts at war with Israel 1948-now, they’ve steadily taken good land, and left the arabs with shit. Maybe they deserve it, but they don’t retain lots of the land they do (about 30% more than internationally approved i think) for military/tactical reasons. It’s economic. they have land which can bear crops, has water etc- then sell it. I posted exact figures earlier, and

“An International Monetary Fund report concluded that since the 1993 Oslo peace process began, unemployment in the occupied areas doubled, and the average income fell by 20%, while Israel kept a captive market for its exports.”

So without melodrama, it’s quite deep, not just a black and white ignorant arabs things. Someone said earlier Palestinians have like the highest PhD rate per capita (in the world0 i don’t remember exactly, but i heard something like that.

Obviously, a PhD arab will look very much like an ignorant arab if he’s trapped in Gaza with no chance to even go to neighbouring arab countries to improve his situation

"True. I believe they are a little backward also. But really, what fuel has driven the west’s renaissance, that we’ve all but spunked and now have to steal from peasant arabs? that’s right.

Okay, you are going way over the top here. You’ve bought into the concept that the world owes the Middle East something. We pay for every drop of oil they sell to us. The fact the money is squandered by shitty leaders is what should really be pissing off the regular people."

Regarding this, i think it’s partially true, but there’s an element of The US ‘internationalizing’ arab oil, which was a statement i recall. What a phrase

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Regarding this, i think it’s partially true, but there’s an element of The US ‘internationalizing’ arab oil, which was a statement i recall. What a phrase[/quote]

Maybe if you focused less on the specific value or harm that seems indicated by key phrases and more on the underlying issue of choices available to the regional populace, you would have a different outlook.

Terrorism as a useful tactic is over, period. No amount of justification will make any difference, ever again. Once the spectre of terrorism is gone, then the potential to address previous greviances may arise, but not until then.

That is the reality of the situation today. No amount of historical bullshit will have any sway at this time. Once again, the Arab world needs to adjust to the current day situation and make a choice based on what is now available before it.

What choice will it make this time?

[quote]dannyrat wrote:

“So without melodrama, it’s quite deep, not just a black and white ignorant arabs things. Someone said earlier Palestinians have like the highest PhD rate per capita (in the world0 i don’t remember exactly, but i heard something like that.”

The Palestinians have the highest WHAT rate?
There are a mere 12 Million Jews in the entire world yet they have received 169 Nobel Prizes. The Muslims number 1.4 Billion or 117 times the number of Jews! Based upon this 117:1 Muslim-to-Jewish ratio, one might expect the Muslims to have 22,260 Nobel Laureates. They have SEVEN! and one of them, Yasser Arafat. was a murderer.
Unless the Swedes and Norwegians start awarding Nobel Prizes for plane hijackings and bombings, restaurant bombings, civilian bus attacks, Jihad suicides/homicides, drive-by shootings, throat-slittings, embassy attacks and other such acts of barbarisms, the embarrassing low level of contribution to the welfare of civilization and humankind by the Muslim world will continue.

dannyrat, you continued: “Obviously, a PhD arab will look very much like an ignorant arab if he’s trapped in Gaza with no chance to even go to neighbouring arab countries to improve his situation”
[/quote]

All Arabs will forever remain ignorant while they are trapped by a religion like Islam. It was Jesus Christ, coming from the Jewish tradition and perhaps to some extent following in the footsteps of the Greeks, who gave the world Humanism. The West, as we know it, developed. The Mulims stayed where they were a thousand years ago. The tragedy is that Islam demands that we submit or die.

Wow. I thought there were more jews.
They’ve done very well, undoubtedly by that figure. I think that your later comments are a bit Craaaaazy. Seriously, Israel should be careful. There’s so many muslims, they should chill, for their own safety. Oh and plus, given the current birthrates, in like 20 years there’ll be more Palestinians that Israeli Jews, and in 75, more Israeli arabs than jews (if they don’t do something like expel all the arabs, which will def. not make them popular)

chew on this…
Nuke Iran, Blame the Jews
Who Benefits from the Israel-Lebanon Flare-Up?

by Jorge Hirsch

Members of the Jewish faith and others correctly point out that Jews are often blamed for the sins of others. They may be about to be proven right again, in a big way. The current conflict may escalate to the point where the US will use nuclear weapons against Iran, in what will be the first use of nuclear weapons in war since Nagasaki. And the world will blame it on the Jews.

Israel’s hugely disproportionate response to Hezbollah’s actions is causing immense suffering, is in blatant violation of the Geneva conventions, and deserves the strongest of condemnations. It is especially important for Jews today to distance themselves from Israel’s immoral government policies and US’s support for them. Fortunately some are doing this [1], [2], [3], unfortunately, many are not. “Thousands of American Jews clogged the streets” in New York and elsewhere in the US [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8] in support of Israel’s actions, reports the Jerusalem Post. Both Houses of the US Congress have just passed solidly backed bipartisan resolutions supporting Israel’s actions in Lebanon [1], [2], to “solidify long-term backing of Jewish voters” according to the Washington Post.

The irony is, Israel’s war crimes are going to be dwarfed in comparison to the crime against humanity that will take place if the US uses nuclear weapons against Iran. Israel, by its disproportionate reaction and by accusing Iran (without proof) of being behind Hezbollah’s actions [1], [2], [3] , [4], will be seen as having played a key role if the conflict escalates to engulf Iran and the United States. Yet the motivation for those that want this to happen [1], [2] is not to ensure Israel’s hegemony in the Middle East, rather it is to ensure US hegemony in the world.

Israel’s Interests

It goes without saying that Israel would benefit from the destruction of Hezbollah. Yet it is hard to see how the indiscriminate attack against Lebanon that is taking place will achieve anything other than strengthening the already strong support for Hezbollah in Lebanon and elsewhere in the Arab world. Shmuel Rosner argues in a Haaretz OpEd that Israel is “America’s deadly messenger”, being used to promote Bush’s “democracy agenda”. It certainly appears that Israel’s current actions are irrational and self-destructive. Unless their real aim is to draw Syria and Iran into the conflict, following directions from Washington. At the very least it is clear that Israel would not be doing this in the absence of a guarantee from the US that it will intervene if the conflict widens, which in any event Bush has already publicly announced.

If Iran enters the conflict and shoots a single missile against Israel, the US will step in and destroy the military infrastructure of Iran by aerial bombardment. As suggested by Seymour Hersh and others [1], [2], [3], [4], this is likely to involve the US use of nuclear “bunker busters”.

It has been predicted that if the US or Israel attack Iran, Iran will unleash Hezbollah who will carry out devastating attacks against Israel. “Hizbollah was also seen as a means of tying our hands on the Iranian nuclear threat,” says an Israeli official. Well, we are in the dress rehersal, and we are seeing that despite all the hype, Hezbollah is a paper tiger. Green light for the Iran attack.

Iran’s Interests

What is really unusual about the current flare-up in the Middle East is the barrage of strident denunciations against Iran, from the Bush administration, politicians from across the political spectrum [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], and the mainstream media [1], [2], [3], [4], that uniformly accuse Iran (without presenting evidence) of being behind the Hezbollah actions. This has never happened before when there was conflict in Lebanon where Hezbollah was involved, why now?
One argument is Ahmadinejad’s stated animosity against Israel. However, that has been Iran’s stated position since 1979.

The other argument is that Iran is trying to “divert attention” from the nuclear issue. That defies the most elementary logic. If Iran was really intent in getting nuclear weapons and destroying Israel, it would try to keep things as quiet as possible until it gets those nuclear weapons, several years into the future.

The reality is that, whether one ascribes to Iran evil or benign intentions, Iran draws no benefit whatsoever from the current turmoil in Lebanon. Neither does Syria. Consequently the rhetoric from the US and Israel suggests a deliberate attempt to draw Syria and Iran into the conflict.

The US’s Interests

A US attack on Iran has been predicted by analysts for several years. The US policy vis-a-vis Iran is clearly directed towards confrontation rather than accommodation. There are many reasons for the US to attack Iran, including the control of energy resources, suppression of a regional power opposite to US and Israeli interests, etc. However I have argued for many months that the key reason for the US to seek a military confrontation with Iran is that it will “force” the US to cross the nuclear threshold and use low yield nuclear weapons against Iranian installations. And this is seen as essential to further US geopolitical goals.
The United States used nuclear weapons against Japan not because it had to. It did so to demonstrate to the world that it was in possession of a new weapon that packed the destructive power of thousands of bombing missions into a single one. To tell the rest of the world, beware.

Since then, it has spent over 5 trillion dollars in building up its nuclear arsenal, but nuclear weapons have become “unusable” after 60 years of non-use. America has achieved nuclear primacy but it is useless, until it shows that nuclear weapons are usable again.

Everything has been put in place. The US is likely to have obtained classified “intelligence” concerning hidden Iranian chemical and biological underground facilities. Low yield B61-11 nuclear bunker busters must have been deployed, just in case “surprising military developments” give rise to “military necessity”. Once Iran is drawn into a conflict and shoots a single missile against Israel or US forces in the region, the US administration will argue that the next Iranian missile could carry chemical or biological warheads and cause untold casualties among Americans, Iraqis or Israelis. A low yield nuclear bunker buster will be touted as the most “humane” way to prevent further loss of life.

Why it may happen

In 1941, a vast military effort was started by the United States to create nuclear weapons, culminating in the Trinity test and subsequent bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. The effort was shrouded in secrecy and any moral qualms were set aside. When it succeeded, it was argued that many American and Japanese lives had been saved by nuking Japan into surrender.
Any speculation during the period 1941-1945 that the United States had 100,000 people devoted to create a secret weapon million-fold more powerful than any known weapon would have been dismissed as the ultimate “conspiracy theory”.

Similarly, much evidence indicates that a deliberate project, shrouded in secrecy, exists today that will culminate in the nuking of Iran, to “save lives”. Many are privy to parts of the plan, as Seymour Hersh revealed, only a few know the plan in its entirety. Low-yield nuclear bunker busters will be used, untested but as reliable as the untested “Little Boy” that leveled Hiroshima. Americans will buy the “military necessity” argument because it will be true: American troops in Iraq will be sitting ducks facing Iranian missiles, with or without WMD warheads.

After the US uses nuclear weapons again, it will have established the usability of its nuclear arsenal against non-nuclear countries. It will be possible to wage war “on the cheap”, saving many American lives in future conflicts. “Support the troops” is the one thing all Americans, no matter how diverse their views are, agree on.

It should not be allowed to happen. The President has sole authority to order the use of nuclear weapons against Iran. We know from previous actions of this administration what Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are capable of. There have been radical changes in US nuclear weapons policies and in preemption “doctrine”, and the Bush announcement that the nuclear option is “on the table”. In response, there needs to be a strong groundswell call to restrict the absolute presidential authority of this President to order the use of nuclear weapons against Iran. By the general public, by “antinuclear” organizations, by scientific, political and professional organizations. To push Congress into action before it is too late. Without a “nuclear option”, the US will be more interested in negotiation than in confrontation with Iran.

Cui Bono?

In the short term, Israel certainly will benefit from the destruction of Iran’s military capabilities. But Israel will not enjoy peace as a result, because the nuking of Iran will create enormous animosity against Israel in the Muslim world and beyond. To the extent that the world buys the US fable that the nuking of Iran was required by “military necessity” and not premeditated, Israel (and Jews worldwide) will bear a heavier than deserved brunt for having contributed to “precipitate” these events.

The US will reap enormous benefits. Flexing its nuclear muscle, it will establish its absolute hegemony in the Middle East and Central Asia and beyond, and gradually squeeze China and Russia into nuclear disarmament and complete submission.

In the end of course we will all lose. Because the nuclear genie, unleashed from its bottle in the war against Iran, will never retreat. And just like the US could develop nuclear weapons in only 4 years with completely new technology 60 years ago, many more countries and groups will be highly motivated to do it in the coming years.

Think about the current disproportionate response of Israel, applied in a conflict where the contenders have nuclear weapons. 10 to 1 retaliation, starting with a mere 600 casualties, wipes out the entire Earth’s population in eight easy steps. Who will be willing to stop the escalation? The country that lost 60,000 citizens in the last hit? The one that lost 600,000? 6 million?

As the nuclear holocaust unfolds, some will remember the Lebanon conflict and subsequent Iran war and blame it all on the Jews. Others will properly blame Americans, for having allowed their Executive to erase the 60-year old taboo against the use of nuclear weapons, first in doctrine and then in practice, despite having the most powerful conventional military force in the world. Others of course will blame “Muslim extremism”.

And then the blaming will wither away as a three-billion-year old experiment, life on planet Earth, comes to an end.

Jorge Hirsch is a Professor of Physics at the University of California at San Diego, a fellow of the American Physical Society, and organizer of a recent petition, circulated among leading physicists, opposing the new nuclear weapons policies adopted by the US in the past 5 years. He is a frequent commentator on Iran and nuclear weapons. Email to: jorgehirsch@yahoo.com.

[quote]coolexec wrote:
dannyrat wrote:

“So without melodrama, it’s quite deep, not just a black and white ignorant arabs things. Someone said earlier Palestinians have like the highest PhD rate per capita (in the world0 i don’t remember exactly, but i heard something like that.”

The Palestinians have the highest WHAT rate?
There are a mere 12 Million Jews in the entire world yet they have received 169 Nobel Prizes. The Muslims number 1.4 Billion or 117 times the number of Jews! Based upon this 117:1 Muslim-to-Jewish ratio, one might expect the Muslims to have 22,260 Nobel Laureates. They have SEVEN! and one of them, Yasser Arafat. was a murderer.
Unless the Swedes and Norwegians start awarding Nobel Prizes for plane hijackings and bombings, restaurant bombings, civilian bus attacks, Jihad suicides/homicides, drive-by shootings, throat-slittings, embassy attacks and other such acts of barbarisms, the embarrassing low level of contribution to the welfare of civilization and humankind by the Muslim world will continue.

dannyrat, you continued: “Obviously, a PhD arab will look very much like an ignorant arab if he’s trapped in Gaza with no chance to even go to neighbouring arab countries to improve his situation”

All Arabs will forever remain ignorant while they are trapped by a religion like Islam. It was Jesus Christ, coming from the Jewish tradition and perhaps to some extent following in the footsteps of the Greeks, who gave the world Humanism. The West, as we know it, developed. The Mulims stayed where they were a thousand years ago. The tragedy is that Islam demands that we submit or die. [/quote]

your an idiot. the middle east under the control of the persian empire was a very humanist empire. freedom of religion, rights for women, and the list goes on. even today, the muslim country of Iran has a very humanist leadership style. just last week they celebrated national womens day. as far as submit or die, that would be the catch phrase for christianity as well. or is your head to far up your ass to remeber there was the inquisition. the fact that you believe complete propaganda bullshit is the real tragedy.

Good summary of some of the underhanded blatant conspiracy unraveling in front of us. Bet we’ll read about in 50 years or so.

Reading that, reminded me of another article i read (in the Economist i believe, if you doubt it’s validity) where Israel was already getting nukes in 1963, they wanted to use them against the arab countries as a kind of announcement of their coming policies. preemptive strike before the 6 day war. The USA at that time were against this, so the UK and France sold them seperate materials to combine secretly, and loaned experts to prepare the bombs. That doesn’t sound much like the Arabs were first aggressors does it. Sadly i think i’d have to tattoo everything i know before people would see that perhaps the sources they’ve been reading have been propagating the whole time they were growing up, building further hostility and divisions between us.

This is a very very deep observation- look at the disproportion of Arabs vs Jews dead due to violent acts, then read this “10 to 1 retaliation, starting with a mere 600 casualties, wipes out the entire Earth’s population in eight easy steps. Who will be willing to stop the escalation? The country that lost 60,000 citizens in the last hit? The one that lost 600,000? 6 million?”

Just saw that 2nd mazilla post. tru dat. Also, if the babylonians had been a less tolerant/pluralistic society, when they took jews to babylon they would have made them renounce their faith (preventing the nearly 3 millenia grudge buildup which is now erupting in the vicinity)

Dannyrat,

I know you’re new around here little guy. I’ll help you out with some free advice.

When you have as totally different characters as Rainjack, JeffR, and vroom agreeing that your knowledge and reasoning are minimal, it might be time to go back to your community college and hit the books again.

Also, any time that you find yourself in agreement with genocidal groups like “Throw the Jew monkeys into into the sea” Hezbollah and “Obliterate all the Jews” Hamas, your little opinions may have swung from just ignorant to full-blown despicable.

Take this thought to bed tonight: While you are writhing around crying to your scrawny pals about the injustice of the USA and Israel, they will be doing the right thing…

AND THERE’S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!

You can scream and cry and blabber all you want, but Israel won’t lose to any Pan-Arab Caliphate (or the Babylonians, since you seem to have found some small fact about them and can now defend launching rockets filled with ball bearings at schools in light of this prehistoric fact), you could boycott the USA and no-one would care, you could vote but Tony Blair will win until he feels like quitting, communism lost and was proven disastrously wrong, you’ll never know the joy of a 600 lb. deadlift, British people are still patriotic, your dad still has never met you and couldn’t care less, and when you die Israel will still be there, just like it was in antiquity.

Man, that felt really good!

I don’t care what variety of dissent there is. I don’t have to prove things. What i know is documented, it’s historical fact, interspersed with my opinion (you’ll be able to tell the two apart)

Don’t patronise me.

My friends aren’t scrawny, i’m among the smallest at 12 and a half, and i can handle myself very well thank you.

Although i never once claimed to support hizbollah, i believe their comment about the sea was stupid, and unattainable.

I don’t cry or scream etc, as i speak my truth as quietly as possible above a din of resounding north american jingoism and regurgitation of most journalists, who go to israel, see a man in a rag with a gun, and israelis in tanks and then fill in the dots themselves.
Well. There is no pan-arab caliphate to speak of, though israeli/US agression might just achieve that unity, ironically. This is just how it is. I won’t be wearing a kufi astraddle any rockets. I’ll just have known what was going on, ahead of time, in this small area of human affairs, because i put in the time and studied it.

The reference to babylonia is only pertinent in my opinion since that is the start date for the consolidation of the old testament, which reeks of hatred for goyim. Bible study constitued a massive part of jewish identity since this time, and was further intensified by the aforementioned educational protocols israel deliberately constructed to build a war-ready, aggressive nation, to fight outsiders. Nowadays they do that a lot.

Just because i see both sides and admit it, don’t think i should be ashamed.

Nothing can defend “launching rockets filled with ball bearings at schools”.
A prehistoric fact would be undocumented by history (DUH)

Communism lost… etc etc you went way off point here, i bet the spittle splashed from you open mouth and shorted your keypad. If not, don’t bother replying, you expended all your viewpoints in your last post (which i quite respected, but you didn’t answer my questions, or acknowledge that you didn’t confuse me, or expose me as ignorant)

I’ll believe what i believe, and unlike yours, my beliefs will not accelerate the demise of whole nations. Peace

chuckyt you have officialy been owned. danny, way to give him something to think about tonight. bahahahahaha

[quote]vroom wrote:
dannyrat wrote:
Regarding this, i think it’s partially true, but there’s an element of The US ‘internationalizing’ arab oil, which was a statement i recall. What a phrase

Maybe if you focused less on the specific value or harm that seems indicated by key phrases and more on the underlying issue of choices available to the regional populace, you would have a different outlook.

Terrorism as a useful tactic is over, period. No amount of justification will make any difference, ever again. Once the spectre of terrorism is gone, then the potential to address previous greviances may arise, but not until then.

That is the reality of the situation today. No amount of historical bullshit will have any sway at this time. Once again, the Arab world needs to adjust to the current day situation and make a choice based on what is now available before it.

What choice will it make this time?[/quote]

terrorism is over? bahahahah good luck with that one. maybe i should come to canada, your dope is obviously better than ours.

i don’t advocate any form of terrorism, but with populations in the billions i don’t see terrorism as being over. besides, there are plenty of countries that fit somebodies definition of terrorists. except canada, nothing dangerous ever comes from canada(with the exception of celine dion). :wink:

[quote]coolexec wrote:
dannyrat wrote:

“So without melodrama, it’s quite deep, not just a black and white ignorant arabs things. Someone said earlier Palestinians have like the highest PhD rate per capita (in the world0 i don’t remember exactly, but i heard something like that.”

The Palestinians have the highest WHAT rate?
There are a mere 12 Million Jews in the entire world yet they have received 169 Nobel Prizes. The Muslims number 1.4 Billion or 117 times the number of Jews! Based upon this 117:1 Muslim-to-Jewish ratio, one might expect the Muslims to have 22,260 Nobel Laureates. They have SEVEN! and one of them, Yasser Arafat. was a murderer.
Unless the Swedes and Norwegians start awarding Nobel Prizes for plane hijackings and bombings, restaurant bombings, civilian bus attacks, Jihad suicides/homicides, drive-by shootings, throat-slittings, embassy attacks and other such acts of barbarisms, the embarrassing low level of contribution to the welfare of civilization and humankind by the Muslim world will continue.

dannyrat, you continued: “Obviously, a PhD arab will look very much like an ignorant arab if he’s trapped in Gaza with no chance to even go to neighbouring arab countries to improve his situation”

All Arabs will forever remain ignorant while they are trapped by a religion like Islam. It was Jesus Christ, coming from the Jewish tradition and perhaps to some extent following in the footsteps of the Greeks, who gave the world Humanism. The West, as we know it, developed. The Mulims stayed where they were a thousand years ago. The tragedy is that Islam demands that we submit or die. [/quote]

Do you know who Al Khawarizmi, Avicenna or Averroes were ?

If you don’t look them up.

The words algorithm and algebra come from Al Khawarizmi.

Islam can be synonymous with progress.

Of course it’s a bit difficult to see that today :wink:

[quote]mazilla wrote:
terrorism is over? bahahahah good luck with that one. maybe i should come to canada, your dope is obviously better than ours.[/quote]

Maybe you shouldn’t skip so many words when you read things. Some of them actually mean something…

I’m sure there will be plenty of terrorism in the future, but there has been a sea change with respect to people feeling sympathy for terrorists. It will no longer have the effect it used to have.

[quote]mazilla wrote:
chuckyt you have officialy been owned. danny, way to give him something to think about tonight. bahahahahaha[/quote]

Translation: ChuckyT has dominated.

If mazilla is for you, you are lost.

JeffR

danny wrote:

“My friends aren’t scrawny, i’m among the smallest at 12 and a half, and i can handle myself very well thank you.”

Ok, I want to make sure you help us with this one.

12 and a half what? 12 and a half balloons? 12 and a half milligrams?
12 and a half lightweights? 12 and a half tea-spoons? 12 and a half stones?

TWELVE AND A HALF WHAT?

Handle yourself where? Don’t tell me that if ChuckyT is deadlifting 600 pounds, you would have a chance in hell.

We are not fans of bruce “I’m small but wiry” lee. A good large man will always defeat a good small man.

ALWAYS!!

If he is pulling 600, you cannot begin to imagine the amount of force he could bring to bear on your torso. Imagine the shock as your arms are being torn from their sockets. Imagine the look on your face as you see the mass approach with anger in his eyes.

Now, enough talking trash.

Let’s get serious.

JeffR

[quote]JeffR wrote:
danny wrote:

“My friends aren’t scrawny, i’m among the smallest at 12 and a half, and i can handle myself very well thank you.”

Ok, I want to make sure you help us with this one.

12 and a half what? 12 and a half balloons? 12 and a half milligrams?
12 and a half lightweights? 12 and a half tea-spoons? 12 and a half stones?

TWELVE AND A HALF WHAT?

Handle yourself where? Don’t tell me that if ChuckyT is deadlifting 600 pounds, you would have a chance in hell.

We are not fans of bruce “I’m small but wiry” lee. A good large man will always defeat a good small man.

ALWAYS!!

If he is pulling 600, you cannot begin to imagine the amount of force he could bring to bear on your torso. Imagine the shock as your arms are being torn from their sockets. Imagine the look on your face as you see the mass approach with anger in his eyes.

Now, enough talking trash.

Let’s get serious.

JeffR

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jeff you have once again proven your a retard. a “good” big man will “ALWYAS” beat a little man??? are you for real? i’m a good big man, and i know there are ton’s of little men out there that would put it on me hands down. for you to think otherwise is as foolish as it is childish. you must not have been in a fight in your life, or you only fight douche bags. either way your pathetic. how many big guys do you know that would handle a de la hoya? or a vargas, or leonard or a griffin, or even a gracie for that matter? i 'll bet it’s close to zero. you know ZERO like the amount of thought that went into that b.s. you called a post.