Yes, this is often an overlooked aspect when people smugly dismiss the “crazies”.
For poor, young adult men in shithole (to quote the POTUS) Muslim countries marriage, offspring, sexual intercourse, employment, even negligible amounts of wealth accumulation are completely off the table, for ever and ever.
So the only way to get all or some of those things is a social upheaval or a war, preferably a war of conquest. So the same driving factors as they were a thousand years ago.
Tell me about it. My nonagenarian great-aunt was verbally abused and spat on by neo-Nazis because she was a Holocaust survivor. In freaking Ashdod.
What I find weird is how closely they keep to themselves. They are not interested in interacting with Americans unless they have too. At least, that’s the appearance I get.
What I did not appreciate is that fact that they don’t de-bone the goat before they mix it with the rice. A warning would have been nice, like " Hey, we just hack the fucker up and throw it in, bone and all." I almost shattered my teeth.
I’m actually familiar with the incident. Or I thought I was. It was in Petah Tikva.
They were a band of teenagers from Russia and the Ukraine who managed to get to Israel because they had one Jewish grandparent, but who were not Jewish and declined to convert.
Very strange story and full of self-loathing. The Russians have been the least able to integrate into Israeli society.
And one of the bad habits they brought with them was antisemitism – and binge drinking at an early age.
No, the one in Petah Tikva made the national news, the Ashdod is low key but still going.
“It’s a beautiful country, it’s a shame there are so many filthy Jews here” uttered in Russian is a remark I’ve overheard more than once in Ashdod…
Yes. In Russia, if you have one Jewish grandparent you’re addressed by his or her’s surname, regardless of your actual surname. Even Putin did that, most notably when the opposition politician Boris Nemtsov was murdered, he made a slip-of-the-tongue calling him “Eidman” after his mother’s maiden surname.
And then those same people come who are casually singled out during everyday life come to Israel and rant about “the Jews”.
The phrase “self-loathing Jew” gets thrown around a lot, but in this case it’s applicable.
thats weird too. but i haven’t really heard of any blacks, whites, or any other ethnic group besides mexicans actually living in mexico. That might be the reason why i guess.
It’s a joke, but only partially. There are actually two types of Mexicans, 3 really if you count the mix. You have the natural decedents of the Aztecs, you have the Spanish decedents, and the mixed.
Guess which ones tend to be the richer ones and don’t like the other ones?
When you consider that, Mexicans trying to get rid of Mexicans is less of a joke…
And middle-eastern, including Jewish, who have been in Mexico since the Spanish Inquisition (which no one expected)*. I have a friend from Monterray (sp?) who speaks Ladino – which is the Spanish equivalent of Yiddish.
Irish Catholics, also, were big immigrants. Lots of red heads in central Mexico.
You would have really really enjoyed Raj struggling to dodge the “define race” question back before he got permabanned for being a slimeball. If you haven’t eaten lately go take a peek at the Biology of Race thread (for the love of god don’t you fucking dare revive it :D)
The Spanish instituted a convoluted twelve caste system to describe different levels of intermarriage between Aztecs and Spaniards. One of the reason for the Bolivar’s revolt(s) against the Spanish rule was that being “white” in New Spain and Mexico compared to Spain proper meant two very different things . which came as a shock for the Spanish-American elites.
Well, it’s pretty much everywhere. The paler you are, the higher you’re on the totem pole. Case in point - Brazil. Even in Africa, in many instances there is a very strong differentiation based on the alleged “whiteness” or skin tone to be precise.
In places like the Middle East, Central Asia, the Caucasus you simply cannot use the bizarre US system of classifying ethnic or religious groups into races - “white”, “black” etc.
In Russia, at least half of the people from the Caucasus to whom the ethnic Russians refer by using the Russian n-word could attend a NASCAR event in the US without anyone noticing.
Here’s a telling example - Bashar al-Assad and his wife. Look past the public figure(s) (murderous dictator and his wife). Do they look “brown” like the desert Arabs from the Arabian peninsula? If anything, they look like the archetypal upper middle class French couple.
If “no one expects the Spanish Inquisition” is an obscure joke then we’re all too old…
At Indian weddings they paint the bride and groom in Tumeric the day before the final ceremony as it has a lightening effect and is considered a more desirable look
oh so the Spaniards ones are the whiter looking Mexicans am I correct.
I work as a cashier at the international airport near me, and I see a lot of these dudes. I lived in texas my whole life, and most of the Mexicans that I have gone to school with and grown up around have usually had browner skin.
The customers I see at work that speak Spanish I always at first think they are Europeans, mostly french, or Italian before they speak. once they start to speak I start to wonder if they are either from spain, argentina, or Colombia, because they look nothing like the Mexicans I interact with daily at work and school.
Nope. The crusaders haven’t left any meaningful impact in terms of genetic material.
They have looked like that for millennia - it’s just that in the West identity politics conditioned the general public to equate “Middle Eastern” with “desert Arab” or even “Pakistani” further afield.
Western Syrians (including Assad’s Alawites) and Lebanese (pictured above) don’t look like the stereotype of Arabs - genetic studies have shown that they’re more related to ancient Canaanites and that there wasn’t any influx of genetic material from the Arabian peninsula.
Or as Taleb and Zallua have eloquently described:
No, Jesus was not a “Middle Eastern”, that is like inhabitants of swath of land from Saudi Arabia to Pakistan. (I wonder which idiot made that classification). Jesus looked like a typical Mediterranean, that is, just like a Southern European, and quite standard at that, as we will see below. The inhabitants of the cities around the Mediterranean, by his time, were already quite similar in looks, even if they didn’t speak the same languages, and (as today, in many cases) much different from those that reside say, a hundred miles inside. And we know how Western speakers of Semitic languages looked like, which is no different from today’s Western Syrians: like Southern Europeans; like generic Roman citizens (although most Jews were technically not citizens at the time of Jesus). Strikingly, Western Syrians (a.k.a. urban Syrians) still look the same today — in my experience they are usually indistinguishable from the Ionian Greeks, Cretans, or Cypriots who are in identity politics called “white”.
In general, people in the Middle East don’t look like as one would expect and cannot be grouped into monolithic structures,especially by supposed “race”.
For example, as @Jewbacca can attest, there is a striking variation among the Israeli population in general, which can sometimes be disconcerting to Americans who are used to thinking along clear racial lines.
Speaking about the futility of labeling people in the ME as “white” or “non-white”, show this to picture of a Palestinian with Israeli LEO officers to a racial identity politics advocate and watch his or hers head explode.
Well, King David was notoriously known as a ginger. And don’t get me started about “Esau” (who was so hairy and red-headed, his name is “red”). So red hair goes back to at least Ur.
But I’ll use myself as an example: I am swarthy, darker than any Italian Tall. Proud nose. Black curly hair. Black beard (formerly with red parts, now grey). Bright blue eyes.
I am also a Cohen model haplotype (as in, you don’t get any more genetically Jewish than me).
I’m a widower and had two wives. My first wife was very fair, with brown eyes. Two daughters with green eyes. One with brown. One with blue. (And yes, they all look like me.) Hair ranges from blond and straight to black and wooly. Just depends.
My second wife is dark, with class European features (Persian Jewish via Egypt and Ashkenazi). Four daughters with auburn hair. Two curly. Two straight. Thee fair, one darker than me. Three with brown eyes – and the darkest skinned one with blue eyes.
The Bible apparently was not kidding when it said the Hebrews were a “mixed multitude.”
Raj was an interesting dude. When he first stepped into the hallowed halls of PWI, he was a staunch liberal, much like yourself @pfury . That’s not meant to be an insult, just means that when he first joined here he sounded a lot like yourself on many different issues.
It seems like he disappeared for a while or posted very little, then whamo! He comes back alt-right, right-wing. I have never actually seen anybody 180 like that before.
I know most of you guys hated him and I understand why, but I didn’t because I knew him before (as much as you can know somebody over the internet) and he stuck to his guns, right, wrong or indifferent.
Trumps’ his guy and his guy can do no wrong. The end.
I wish I could ask him one more question… Why the change? What changed him from liberal, to alt-right, right? I seldom see that kind of flip, if ever.
