‘Protect and Serve Act’ Would Make Police a Protected Class and Violence Against Them a Hate Crime

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5698

The only Real protection police have is their skills and abilities. Laws don’t mean anything at the point of conflict.

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True. Thankfully the courts and judges, through thousands of cases and studies, realize police work is often dynamic, dangerous, can go “bad” instantly, etc… afford us a reasonable amount of latitude in the performance of our duties. Unfortunately, it’s obvious far too many people don’t understand why we’re granted this latitude and think we’re allowed to operate without consequence or repercussions, which is complete bullshit.

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A dem that hates police… Shocking.

While there is plenty of room for improvement on our part; the police, when will there be a call for citizens to act accordingly ?

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Gun free zones keeps kids safe so…

Leaving aside the issues of reform, this bill is a terrible idea. Protected classes are the highest constitutional protections we have, and should be reserved for only those people suffering the very few issues striking at fundamental liberties.

This is how it has historically been used. The police do not meet this bar, no matter how much respect one has for the law.

Further, nothing good will come from elevating an authority group in any legal way. The police by definition have elevated power in their hands (again, I am not discussing good/bad cops, just LE in general).

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If they, meaning politicians, actually wanted to protect cops instead of playing a game to appear that they care, they would do their jobs and fix those communities where being a cop is most dangerous.

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This seems incredibly unnecessary as there are already laws on the books at every level of government making any kind of assualt against police officers a serious crime. More serious than an assault on regular citizens, and I believe it should be.

So what is this? Legislative grand standing? I hope some of the police officers who frequent these boards chime in.

Something else?

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I really like you guy, but holy shif do you get the Captain obvious award today.

They just need to fix those communities!

Okay…

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Where did you get that he hates police from this?

I don’t think it’s that obvious when pundits say, “all they need to do is stop listening to rap.”

Besides, they’re the ones, the whole lot of them, who are to blame for the problems in the first place. Including whatever issues there may be with policing. Cops are just the politicians’ fall guys.

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I worked in a public school in one of the worst towns in America. I was talking to a custodian about how new the building looked and he said it was less than a year old. He then said that they should have fixed the neighborhood first. Like the playground across the parking lot that was frequented by gang members and had needles lying around on the ground. So an immigrant custodian apparently saw the obvious more than the politicians who approved the millions of tax payer dollars to build a new school for kids, most of whom were not going to even graduate high school.

The war on drugs is a massive part of the problem, for example. But even that has no easy answer. Crack, heroine and Crystal Meth would destroy lives and devastate lives and communities regardless of whether they were legalized or not.

It could be argued there would be less collateral damage. You would have addicts, you have addicts everywhere in society, but take the profit out of it and gang members will have to find real jobs. This is one reason why methadone clinics have been burned down in Sicily by the mafia as they lost customers. In the US, as the drug war, especially under Reagan diverted more funds towards enforcement and less towards treatment, you see a rise in incarceration as well as use. The crack epidemic occurred under his watch. Was Reagan’s drug war a response to it, or a cause of it? Nixon had his drug war but no epidemic and treatment was better funded. And when he had law enforcement concentrate on the border, the country cried about it. So sure, you will still have addicts but you will have communities that can deal with it rather than get destroyed by it.

What most people don’t understand is that the laws are applied consistently in our country. We routinely work homicides where the shooter is arrested and later released because no one cooperates. There are also times where it appears that it was a shootout and the killer was acting in self defense so the district attorney will decide not to go to trial.

When a cop kills someone, the same judgement is used. The prosecutor still has to have a case to proceed and most of the time there’s nothing there to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the cop crossed the line. The difference is that people riot when a cop kills someone but no one cares when a thug kills someone.

Wait, you want to put some of the blame on the general public? Preposterous! :joy:

You’re forgetting that the liberal politicians want the communities to be on government assistance and ignorant so they can control them. It’s all about getting votes and keeping that fat paycheck and lifetime benefits for not really doing any damn work.

I wouldn’t say the laws make it a serious crime. Often our cases of battery to an LEO are plead down to other crimes. Even the ones convicted don’t serve any time. Killing a cop can be charged as capital murder with the death penalty in a lot of places. Unfortunately, no one ever executes a prisoner anymore.

I’m not so sure it’s drugs in particular that causes problems with gangs. Those people want to make money without actually working. They do what’s easy. They sell drugs, run prostitution, raise dogs, fight dogs, etc. They’re drawn to whatever requires little effort but makes money. I don’t think it’s necessarily the legality of things; it’s the demand. They profit from people’s basic desires and self gratification.

Legalizing and controlling drugs might cause more problems. For some people, the stigma of doing illegal things is the only thing keeping them from crossing that line.

A lot of our pharmaceutical drugs are forms of street drugs. The products are already there. I’m sure the pharmaceutical companies would love to sell stuff closer to street drugs to make more money, but I just don’t see it working out. If you legalize it, you condone and accept it.

There is one way I wouldn’t mind seeing it done. Control the drugs. Sell them and document who is buying them and then use that to disqualify people from welfare and disability. If you’re not actually trying to do anything in this world then you get no more free money.

An attack on a policeman is, by extension, an attack on us all. As much as some sub mental cretins hate police we serve a vital function. I don’t believe I’m “special” or more important than anybody else at all, but the purpose I serve is indeed vitally important. Bigger than us all.

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Absolutely. St Louis is a text book case of decades of failed liberal policies that are often blamed on policing methods. Kabuki theater. The politicians play these people like a fiddle. It’s disgusting.

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Since the whole “hate crime” thing is dumb as hell anyway, why not? There are probably more crimes committed against Police for their position than there are against most or all of the “protected(some people are more equal than others) classes” anyway.

Only the SJW low iq race baiter approved victim classes can be victims of hate crimes, duh.

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And conservative ones want to imprison and disenfranchise them. Both sides profit from the conditions.

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