Perhaps people misunderstood me. Although I still believe that the creation of Israel was totally unjust, I’m not in favor of giving all of Israel back to the Palestinians. To a large extent, what’s done is done. What I do favor is along the lines of what Jews for Justice and Jews not Zionists organizations advocate. Provide generously to those Palestinians who got displaced by the creation of Israel and return to the borders prior to the 1967 war. What I’m outlining here is nothing new really. Many, like Thomas Friedman of the NY Times (who is also Jewish–fervently Zionist at one point in his life) advocate Israel retreat to the 1967 lines. Yes, it is true that Arafat will have BIG problems having his people accept never being able to return to their homes in what is now Israel, but a few years ago, you would have never heard him agree that Israel had a right to exist. Things change. The main goal for mediators like the US is to have a consistent policy–advocate the 1967 borders, stop further Israeli settlements in Palestinian territories and stop terrorists. For those who posted that we should let them just fight it out, there is no doubt what would happen if we did that. Once the $3B of military and economic aid is cut off,Israel would be wiped off the map in a matter of months. I doubt very much the Christian Right and Jewish American leaders would allow that. Roger and out. I’ve no more say about this issue, especially those who cannot be polite, like Doug K (is that you Dr. Kalman? If it is, real nice Doc. It is sad that one can immediately know someone’s view on the Middle East just by their religion/ethnicity. If not, I apologize in advance for the mistaken identy.) I ask that someone who is pro-Israel but is not Judeo-Christian in origin or beliefs, or those who are pro-Palestinian but is not Muslim or Arab post the next response. I have found from experience that these kind of folk are the only ones who can speak intelligently on the subject. I’m confident most of you don’t fit in either of these two categories.
“thats all they want”
They want Israel and all israelis dead period, and they are just conning everyone, playing political games to get leverage.
for F**K sake they are paying people to blow up there own children, the smug super rich bloated rulers are useing peoples children for there own political games.
“According to the FBI document, Holy Land Foundation officials have talked at meetings inside the United States about how their organization was supporting the families of Palestinian “martyrs.” An FBI informant reported that, at a 1994 Muslim youth association conference in Los Angeles attended by the foundation’s chief, a spokesman for the Hamas military wing said, “I hope no one is recording me or taking any pictures … because I’m going to speak the truth to you. It’s simple. Finish off the Israelis. Kill them all! Exterminate them! No peace ever! Do not bother to talk politics.” According to the FBI report, $207,000 was raised after this speech for “the cause.””
one minor problem with going back to the 1967 lines-Jerusalem.
PS: I am pro-Israeli (people) but not Judeo-Christian in origin or beliefs, AND pro-Palestinian (people) but i’m not Muslim or Arab.
The surrounding Arabian countries should re-absorb the Palestinians, and they should be given education and hope for a future, but they are but tiny pawns in a sick game, used as pure cannon fodder for the Arabic elite, they are being suckered, conned, mind Fked with twisted religio-idiology, we got a huge Jim Jones situation here, the arab states couldnt’ give a rats ass for Joe Palestinian on the street, all they offer is “heres’ some money for your family, go blow yerself up and do us proud, well have a parade for ya” I’d be thinking… ok fearless leader, if its so great … YOU FIRST MuthaFer … we’ll watch, and say hello to allah for me.
Ive’ known some realy beautiul and loving and very cool Palestinians and Jews, they can be seriously beautiful people, but the leaders?
F**king POS elite genocidal smug bastards
And all Israel can do is fight like hell to survive, god help them all.