I’m mid way through week 8 of just Test E 500mg/wk. I did my blood work last week and got results. I’m not super familiar with metabolic panel stuff and a few things popped high. I was hoping to run 50mg of anavar for the remainder of my cycle through week 14, and wondering if the elevated liver enzymes are high enough to warranty no anavar or even stopping cycle.
Lab work was done on a Thursday morning 0800. I had done my injection the night before and taken 12.5mg aromasin with it. Sadly Thursday was my only free day, otherwise I’d have scheduled it differently.
Creatinine : 1.29 Ref .76-1.27 mg/dL
Potassium : 5.6 Ref 3.5-5.2 mmol
AST (sgot) : 50 Ref 0-40 IU
ALT (sgpt) : 54 Ref 0-44 IU
Pre Cycle AST was 41, and ALT 41.
Other results
TT : 4091 Ref 264-916 (is this “too” high for just 500mg a week?)
FT : >50 Ref 8.7-25
Prolactin : 10.8 (was high pre cycle but p5p looks to have brought it down into normal range)
E2: 57.9 pg/ml
SHBGS 26.2 Ref 16.5-55.9
I take 1200mg NAC daily and 250mg TUDCA (just started this week as I just started the anavar). Bloods were done BEFORE starting anavar though. I had started taking TUDCA a week prior to my scheduled anavar start date. I stopped after reading Iron Yuppie’s post regarding not taking it until your start an oral. Could the Tudca have possibly caused any of this?
You can have elevated AST/ALT from a hard workout. Your numbers are barely out of range and I assume that if you’re on cycle you’re lifting pretty hard. I had the same thing happen to me last blood test. I went in early AM after a particularly grueling evening workout the night before. My numbers were pretty much the same as yours. Doc was unconcerned.
Anavar is really mild, and slight liver enzyme elevation for 6-8 weeks is not going to impact you long term. If it did then every guy I went to college with who would binge drink from Friday night to Sunday morning would be dead by now.
Much appreciated, sir! I’m the type that hates any number out of whack, so I got a bit nervous. I had a pretty brutal leg workout Wednesday morning, so maybe that was a contributor.
Thank you sir. I’ll push forward with the Var @ 50mg a day. I’ve taken it only for four days and just yesterday started to feel amazing.
It’s magical. Had I known how amazing it was going to be I would have saved it for later in life rather than using it so early. (It was actual pharma, with a script and all; I was spoiled and didn’t know it)
what’s magical? var? everyone tells me real VAR is close to impossible to get. everyone lies about it and it’s either dbol, windy or something cut in between
Haha I bet! I feel absolutely awesome so far and I’m not even a full week in.
I know physologik talks about ratios with TT : E2, but can’t find why he recommended. Any thoughts on my 4100 TT : 59 E2? I feel great. Last cycle Test e and DBol 30mg I ran no AI and was fine. This time I truly believe I needed to add the 12.5mg of aromasin every 3.5 days with my injection. My irritability was worse than any woman I’ve ever experienced. I also was losing some wood. The 12.5 E3.5D has fixed both. So assuming I should just stick with it.
Thank you and Zeek again for the P5P suggestion for my prolactin. Not sure if you remember, but it was low 30s I believe pre cycle. Now it’s 10.
Yes, var. I wasted a good bit of money on my first order, tested it, and it was DBol. Now I have a 2 year supply of DBol I will never touch again because of how great var is once I found real stuff.
You can get real var, you just need to get it from a good lab. The raws are more expensive than many other orals, but not nearly as much as you’d think. Dianabol has a significantly higher markup than anavar when labs are selling them both in tablet form, so a dodgy lab definitely has an incentive to cheat a little bit. But the reputable sources don’t cut corners because having a good, tested product means that you can gain a ton of market share just by selling what you say you’re selling.
Iron, have you heard of anyone experiencing issues with busting a nut while on anavar specifically?
I feel great otherwise, but there is 100% a direct correlation. Never in my life have I ever not been able to bust a nut (except 15 years ago when I took zoloft and discontinued after a few months).
Libido has dropped ever so slightly, but I still want it, just not 16 year old boy want it. However, I have not been able to bust a nut this week. Absolutely zero changes in anything aside for adding Anavar exactly 7 days ago. Busted fine on Day 2, Day 3 and Day 5 and 6 all nothing.
Can’t speak for iron but iv actually mentioned this in some of my other post. I first ran into this problem with high testosterone I attributed it to high estrogen I literally could not nut unless I myself best my dick to hell. It got to the point where after an hour the wife was annoyed. I used an AI things got better then when my estrogen was in “range” it happened again! It made no sense to me.
Moving forward lowered testosterone started tren, mast cycle everything was fine no AI being used! Almsot started having the opposite issue which was welcoming. Added anavar towards the end and noticed it creeping back a bit. So then I started wondering is the mast and anavar causing my estrogen to be low enough to cause the issue or is it DHT related?
Fast forward a bit I started using cialis for blood pressure and workout benefits was a bit worried because I don’t have and never had erection issues so I was hesitant to use a ED drug thinking once I start then if I stop il develop ED issues because my body will be relying on cialis. Having used cialis now at varying doses for going on 2-3 months i must say the delayed ejaculation problem isn’t a big issue anymore and iv gone weeks with no cialis and still have no issue getting a erection, the cilais def makes me more sensitive tho which I think helps. It’s also great for rocks hard erections like those wake up in the morning have to piss and just had a dream about a porn star type of erections.
Anyways this doesn’t really answer your question mainly because I still don’t have an answer to my question about what caused it. I know for a fact super high estrogen caused it and I know to low of estrogen caused it but I can’t explain it much past that. Il take a shot in the dark I know you said you take a small aromasin dose on injection day and have found a happy medium (I think that was you?) maybe adding the anavar has made it so this isn’t neccary and now your estrogen is a bit to low?
Thank you Zeek, actually sent you an email prior to posting in here. Much appreciated!
Yes, I am the one taking 12.5mg of Aromasin on injection days. However, last cycle, when I started with DBol 30mg and Test 500, I didn’t take any AI and was fine entire cycle.
So is anavar known to possibly lower estrogen? I was worried that maybe it bumped it up a bit more, and thus I needed to bump up my Aromasin by adding 12.5mg a week.
However it sounds like it could be the opposite and maybe I need to drop the AI? I took it Wednesday and prayed that it would fix it, but no luck on Thursday.
My understanding is DHT derivatives such as anavar have a slight AI like effect.
Def no need to bump up the aromasin. Again this is just a shot In the dark but I would try dropping the aromasin for the time being and see if things improve being as tho the new issue has a direct correlation to starting anavar and the only thing different you have done is bump up the aromasin.
Thank you man! I’ll give it a shot. I honestly felt worse the morning after taking the Aromasin, and usually feel better. I thought that was odd, but figured that was just in my head.
I’ve got half my email typed up to you; I’ll finish it up this afternoon man. Thanks again.
I’ve seen people have that problem on a variety of different substances. I think it has less to do with one particular drug and more to do with how said drug interacts with everything else you’re taking. For me nothing has changed my libido/sex life in a negative way. So far. There’s always the chance that the next thing I try could cause that exact same problem.
Had to give you guys a wonderful update as I’m sure you’re all dying to know… some nice afternoon sex led to a successful nut. Still not out of the woods yet, but tomorrow morning would have been my next schedule 12.5mg of Aromasin. So maybe, just maybe it’s related ?
Will post another update in 7 days to see what comes of dropping the Aromasin. Thanks again for the help, Zeek and Iron.
Glad I made it easy for you to sleep tonight. Haha!
Let’s just hope it continues to improve, and maybe I really don’t need the AI now. We shall see how much of a ranging female I turn into in the coming days.
4000ng/dl is expected from 500mg/wk, not abnormal at all, you’re on a vastly supraphysiologic dose of testosterone thus one would expect you’re levels would be… well… supraphysiologic
Not being able to finish is most likely related to the change in your prolactin levels. When I used a dopamine agonist like caber, I had the same issue.