[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
She is a racist, and comes across as anti-American… how is this even debatable?
She stated just recently that it was the first time she was ever proud of America…
why is she getting a pass on this?
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Why would she need to get a pass on this?
Is it some sort of psychological disorder if you do not pop out of the womb waving an American flag?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Why would someone in another town plan on killing me?
I dunno. Are there any Jews left in Austria that you could ask?[/quote]
quite a lot of them.
I know that because I used to work for a lot of them.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Even if a perfect stranger killed your innocent country men?
Why would a perfect stranger do that?
Hmmm… Maybe he has a distorted and inaccurate view of them and their beliefs? And of their responsibility for their government’s actions?
Or maybe he just hates people of another race / religion / political persuasion / ethnic group?
Or maybe it’s just that some guy named Tojo or Hitler or Kim or bin Laden told him to?
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Or maybe he went to a wedding that was wiped out by a daisy cutter.
Or maybe his mother needed insulin and could not get it because of economic sanctions.
Or maybe his little sister died because of poison that was meant to kill coca plants.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Why would someone in another town plan on killing me?
I dunno. Are there any Jews left in Austria that you could ask?
quite a lot of them.
I know that because I used to work for a lot of them.
Went right over your head, I see…[/quote]
The usual “oh, we´re ok because the Nazis were worse”- or is it the always popular “you cannot possibly because your great grand parents…”
No, I got it, it is just that I sometimes I am trying to be polite when someone utters something really stupid.
Don´t worry, it does not happen often.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
<<< Most of these guys seem to enjoy having their opinions given to them by blogs. They lash out when the truth is, they gave up thinking for themselves a long time ago.
Speaking for myself, I’ve never been to any political blog, ever, even once.
My views are mine and have been pretty much unchanged for over 20 years. I simply take the principles that I unalterably believe and apply them to the situations and personalities I see before me. None of this is new with Barack Obama. I agree and or disagree with whoever and whatever is under discussion based on what they say and do. Not what party they’re in and not what color they are.
How bout the rest of the conservatives here? Who gets their views from somebody’s blog.[/quote]
My views are based on the philosphy of Ayn Rand and Aristotle, + throw in some Nietzsche.
I’m also reading Machiavelli, on the recomm of Nephorm.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
<<< What must hurt is that they didn’t find much of anything which made their extreme stance on what they did find seem laughable to many.
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You don’t consider 20 years in an overtly, unapologetically marxist church as anything? Wright himself will tell you of his love for liberation theology which is unabashedly marxist. I read about it long, long before I knew who Barack Obama was.
He says in his books he sought out marxists in college. He is found in the living room of a man who has committed domestic terrorism and who loudly proclaims his anarchistic blatantly America hating marxist views to this day, raising funds for his career. He writes a favorable blurb for the man’s book. He is a keynote speaker for the Democratic Socialists of America.
His every policy position reflects all of this.
If you want a socialist nanny state country, fine, just say that. I mean it. I have more respect for Ayers than Obama. Ayers owns his views like a big boy and is not trying to sell anybody some bullshit about his love for America.
BTW, there have been people in congress with these views for decades already.
[quote]Towards the preservation of your government, and the permanency of your present happy state, it is requisite, not only that you steadily discountenance irregular oppositions to its acknowledged authority, but also that you resist with care the spirit of innovation upon its principles, however specious the pretexts. One method of assault may be to effect, in the forms of the Constitution, alterations which will impair the energy of the system, and thus to undermine what cannot be directly overthrown <<<
It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.[/quote]
George Washington: Farewell address 1796
No truer words were ever spoken and we are witnessing the very thing Washington warned against as I type this.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
orion wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
orion wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Isn´t it convenient that people in power get to write the laws?
Isn´t it also convenient that by the magical act of calling it something else in a law, killing suddenly is ok for most people?
Who would you like to right the laws? If you say the people don’t you think they would be against murder, but for defending themselve? If you are attaceked shouldn’t you be allowed to fight back or should we just roll over and let people do what ever they want to us?
What can I say I am a libertarian.
We have this weird idea that ethical rules also apply to governments.
So yes, self defense is ok.
Travelling 6000 miles to kill a perfect stranger is not.
Even if a perfect stranger killed your innocent country men? Wow I guess we are just different. They are your views I can respect that.
Why would a perfect stranger do that?
Most serial killers don’t know their victims…the people killed on 9/11 had no connection to the terrorist that killed them.
Evil doesn’t need a reason.
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Really, and here I thought they had a whole list of things that pissed them off and shouted it out for everyone to hear.
Also, real sociopaths are extremely rare, I find it hard to believe that everyone blowing up Americans is a mental case.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You don’t consider 20 years in an overtly, unapologetically marxist church as anything? [/quote]
Nope and I don’t care one ounce about Ayers either.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
You don’t consider 20 years in an overtly, unapologetically marxist church as anything?
Nope and I don’t care one ounce about Ayers either. [/quote]
Would you care if McCain went to church with a pastor that preached the exact opposite of Ayers?
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_Church_Racism/2008/01/07/62285.html
(Imagine if Mitt Romney?s church proclaimed on its website that it is ?unashamedly white.?
?We are a congregation which is unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian,? says the Trinity United Church of Christ?s website in Chicago. ?We are an African people and remain true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.? )
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
You don’t consider 20 years in an overtly, unapologetically marxist church as anything?
Nope and I don’t care one ounce about Ayers either.
Would you care if McCain went to church with a pastor that preached the exact opposite of Ayers?
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I assume you mean Rev Wright?
Gee, if whites had been the focus of segregation, loss of civil rights and outright demoralization for centuries, NO. Not in the least.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
You don’t consider 20 years in an overtly, unapologetically marxist church as anything?
Nope and I don’t care one ounce about Ayers either.
Would you care if McCain went to church with a pastor that preached the exact opposite of Ayers?
I assume you mean Rev Wright?
Gee, if whites had been the focus of segregation, loss of civil rights and outright demoralization for centuries, NO. Not in the least.[/quote]
My bad I typed the wrong name line up the firing squad.
I guess you right we should make sure white people don’t fall back into their racist ways from decades ago, but not worry about blacks falling into racist ways now or in the future. Because their isn’t any racism against white right?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
You don’t consider 20 years in an overtly, unapologetically marxist church as anything?
Nope and I don’t care one ounce about Ayers either.
Would you care if McCain went to church with a pastor that preached the exact opposite of Ayers?
I assume you mean Rev Wright?
Gee, if whites had been the focus of segregation, loss of civil rights and outright demoralization for centuries, NO. Not in the least.[/quote]
You do realize that you are probably arguing with people that more than likely weren’t alive 20-30 years ago, or on the off chance that they were alive then, weren’t black 20-30 years ago.
This whole topic is another example of more fear mongering from the right wing and their sympathizers because the scary black man will be in charge of the White House in Jan 09.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
You don’t consider 20 years in an overtly, unapologetically marxist church as anything?
Nope and I don’t care one ounce about Ayers either.
Would you care if McCain went to church with a pastor that preached the exact opposite of Ayers?
I assume you mean Rev Wright?
Gee, if whites had been the focus of segregation, loss of civil rights and outright demoralization for centuries, NO. Not in the least.
You do realize that you are probably arguing with people that more than likely weren’t alive 20-30 years ago, or on the off chance that they were alive then, weren’t black 20-30 years ago.
This whole topic is another example of more fear mongering from the right wing and their sympathizers because the scary black man will be in charge of the White House in Jan 09.[/quote]
I’m just glad I’m not posting on these forums alone anymore. I used to have to deal with getting 10 of these jokers ganging up on me at a time as if racism didn’t exist at all.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
You don’t consider 20 years in an overtly, unapologetically marxist church as anything?
Nope and I don’t care one ounce about Ayers either.
Would you care if McCain went to church with a pastor that preached the exact opposite of Ayers?
I assume you mean Rev Wright?
Gee, if whites had been the focus of segregation, loss of civil rights and outright demoralization for centuries, NO. Not in the least.
You do realize that you are probably arguing with people that more than likely weren’t alive 20-30 years ago, or on the off chance that they were alive then, weren’t black 20-30 years ago.
This whole topic is another example of more fear mongering from the right wing and their sympathizers because the scary black man will be in charge of the White House in Jan 09.
I’m just glad I’m not posting on these forums alone anymore. I used to have to deal with getting 10 of these jokers ganging up on me at a time as if racism didn’t exist at all.[/quote]
I don’t post as much anymore because the same arguments are repeated over and over again, but every once in a while, I’ll do a drive-by to lend a hand.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
You don’t consider 20 years in an overtly, unapologetically marxist church as anything?
Nope and I don’t care one ounce about Ayers either.
Would you care if McCain went to church with a pastor that preached the exact opposite of Ayers?
I assume you mean Rev Wright?
Gee, if whites had been the focus of segregation, loss of civil rights and outright demoralization for centuries, NO. Not in the least.
You do realize that you are probably arguing with people that more than likely weren’t alive 20-30 years ago, or on the off chance that they were alive then, weren’t black 20-30 years ago.
This whole topic is another example of more fear mongering from the right wing and their sympathizers because the scary black man will be in charge of the White House in Jan 09.
I’m just glad I’m not posting on these forums alone anymore. I used to have to deal with getting 10 of these jokers ganging up on me at a time as if racism didn’t exist at all.
I don’t post as much anymore because the same arguments are repeated over and over again, but every once in a while, I’ll do a drive-by to lend a hand.
You guys are hilarious you don’t know anything about me and yet I am scared of the black man in office I believe you said. I don’t know why I waste my time.
You never get the point it is always white vs. black you never actually see the issue. I just love how a black person can go to a church that clearly is pushing their race and that race only, but that is okay in your eyes;
However, a white person could go to say a neo-Nazi church outing and that would be absolutely wrong just because decades ago black people were discriminated against.
Why don’t you go do your drive by? some where else if you don’t like the responses you get.
Another thing I find amusing is Obama just denies the whole thing like, “Whatever I didn’t believe what he was saying the whole time I just went anyway.” (Not an exact quote so relax)
I guess that’s a democratic thing to do like good old Bill, “I did not have sex with that women” ya denial makes it okay right. Wonderful leaders we have.
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First of all, I never mentioned you by name, so why so sensitive? What’s wrong? Tampon feeling a little uncomfortable? I was replying to ProfX’s post and yours just happened to be attached to it.
Nothing was directed at you. Second, I have been on here longer than you have so I will post anywhere I damn well please, so get over yourself little boy.
Third, I was talking about the amount of threads that have been posted in this forum that are nothing more than fear-mongering about what might happen in the future. Again, it wasn’t directed at you. Fourth, if you feel like you are wasting your time, leave. It’s that simple.
No one is forcing you to reply to anything. Finally, if you don’t like anything that I have to say, GFY. I really don’t care what you say, think or do.
