[quote]Professor X wrote:
However, to claim blacks should denounce statements against the racist society they grew up in 30 years ago is about the most insane logic I’ve read here to date.[/quote]
stick around, more insanity is coming, I’m quite sure.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Are some of you really that clueless to how people were being treated?[/quote]
I would have to say yes. Is there shame in that? I have no idea how some were being mistreated.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
orion wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
Hell, no, let us discuss this:
Michelle Obama writes a Bachelor thesis about being a black student 23 years ago.
A women that has been her roommate comes out and agrees that yes indeed, there has been racism, because she and her mother were racists at that point.
That is immediately followed by an attack on Prof X for his reverse racism because he points out that y´all are fucking insane?
Is you all crazy?
The point you’re missing is that, yes, she reacted, but we’re trying to determine if she still thinks that way: Why keep it locked up? Why be friends with Bernadette Dohrn? And it wasn’t 23 years ago when her kids were baptised by Pastor Wright, and it wasn’t 23 years ago when Barack started his career in William Ayers’ livingroom.
I trust her judgment of Rev Wright more than yours.
Since she knows him for decades and you don´t.
If I take some posts out of your several hundred I can make you look like a pedophile.
Be sure to never run for office.
Your pastor just loudly proclaimed: “Goddamn Austria!” and then later said, “Any Austrians who die from terrorism deserve it because our chickens are coming home to roost!”. What do you?
Asking myself if Austria has killed enough people lately that there ACTUALLY ARE chicken that could come home to roost?
So, you agree with Pastor Wright, that innocent people deserved to die on 9/11, and that killing them was justified because of what our government does?
I agree that if you kill enough innocent people that you deserve to die and that you are damned in the eyes of the Lord.
You personally or your country? Motives and reasons don’t matter?
Whatever your answer is, I hope it is the same whether the one dying is an Iraqi or an American and whether the one doing the killing wears a uniform or not.
I never brought up nationality.
But yes, murder can be justified. I also believe there are a different set of rules in war, though it doesn’t just give everyone a free pass. Its why the military holds it’s own courts, it doesn’t make sense to apply 100% civilian rules and laws to soldiers.[/quote]
Oh, it does make sense to apply the same standards and that is exactly why the military has its own courts.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Are some of you really that clueless to how people were being treated?
I would have to say yes. Is there shame in that? I have no idea how some were being mistreated.[/quote]
I agree.
Black woman in the 60´s?
How would I know?
[quote]orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
Hell, no, let us discuss this:
Michelle Obama writes a Bachelor thesis about being a black student 23 years ago.
A women that has been her roommate comes out and agrees that yes indeed, there has been racism, because she and her mother were racists at that point.
That is immediately followed by an attack on Prof X for his reverse racism because he points out that y´all are fucking insane?
Is you all crazy?
The point you’re missing is that, yes, she reacted, but we’re trying to determine if she still thinks that way: Why keep it locked up? Why be friends with Bernadette Dohrn? And it wasn’t 23 years ago when her kids were baptised by Pastor Wright, and it wasn’t 23 years ago when Barack started his career in William Ayers’ livingroom.
I trust her judgment of Rev Wright more than yours.
Since she knows him for decades and you don´t.
If I take some posts out of your several hundred I can make you look like a pedophile.
Be sure to never run for office.
Your pastor just loudly proclaimed: “Goddamn Austria!” and then later said, “Any Austrians who die from terrorism deserve it because our chickens are coming home to roost!”. What do you?
Asking myself if Austria has killed enough people lately that there ACTUALLY ARE chicken that could come home to roost?
So, you agree with Pastor Wright, that innocent people deserved to die on 9/11, and that killing them was justified because of what our government does?
I agree that if you kill enough innocent people that you deserve to die and that you are damned in the eyes of the Lord.
[/quote]
How did people in an office building deserve to die? Should you be killed because your government does something to infuriate maniacs?
Attacking troops in war is one thing. Blowing up innocents is quite another.
Do you really want to argue in favor of that? I thought much more highly of you.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Why was Michelle in a room with a white roommate then? I thought that America at the time was this horrible racist den of iniquity.
Is this the logic you teach your students?
I simply smile and wave at you, while the guys with the straight jacket sneak up on you from behind.
[/quote]
If we’re racist, why was she assigned a white roommate? Wouldn’t that belie the concept of a racist institution?
If she’s going to extrapolate from one roommate to an entire race/society, then she’s stupid. Just like I read what you write and don’t conclude that all Belgians are cracked out ass-sniffing Lebenborn descendants.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Professor X wrote:
However, to claim blacks should denounce statements against the racist society they grew up in 30 years ago is about the most insane logic I’ve read here to date.
stick around, more insanity is coming, I’m quite sure.
[/quote]
But the society itself was no longer racist. There were racists IN the society but the society itself no longer legislated or supported racism.
Why’d she even get assigned a white roommmate? Wouldn’t racism dictate otherwise? Why’d she get a high paying job if racism is endemic to this society?
Should we judge T-Nation by Prof X or Wreckless? God help this site if we did!!
[quote]orion wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
Hell, no, let us discuss this:
Michelle Obama writes a Bachelor thesis about being a black student 23 years ago.
A women that has been her roommate comes out and agrees that yes indeed, there has been racism, because she and her mother were racists at that point.
That is immediately followed by an attack on Prof X for his reverse racism because he points out that y´all are fucking insane?
Is you all crazy?
The point you’re missing is that, yes, she reacted, but we’re trying to determine if she still thinks that way: Why keep it locked up? Why be friends with Bernadette Dohrn? And it wasn’t 23 years ago when her kids were baptised by Pastor Wright, and it wasn’t 23 years ago when Barack started his career in William Ayers’ livingroom.
I trust her judgment of Rev Wright more than yours.
Since she knows him for decades and you don´t.
If I take some posts out of your several hundred I can make you look like a pedophile.
Be sure to never run for office.
Your pastor just loudly proclaimed: “Goddamn Austria!” and then later said, “Any Austrians who die from terrorism deserve it because our chickens are coming home to roost!”. What do you?
Asking myself if Austria has killed enough people lately that there ACTUALLY ARE chicken that could come home to roost?
So, you agree with Pastor Wright, that innocent people deserved to die on 9/11, and that killing them was justified because of what our government does?
I agree that if you kill enough innocent people that you deserve to die and that you are damned in the eyes of the Lord.
Isn’t one enough…I’m pretty sure the Lord said thou shall not murder…not thou shall no commit many murders, but 5 is okay.
Even if you are in uniform and your government asks you in a really nice manner?
[/quote]
Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
Killing the enemy of your country and killing an innocent are not the same. I suppose we should let murder’s off with a warning instead of putting them to death? It just wouldn’t be fair to take the life of some one who took a life. Get a grip your arguing that every man to ever kill the enemy in a uniform should be considered a murderer. That’s just dumb.
Well, I’m reading this thesis, and so far I’ve seen nothing “militant” about it.
Princeton, the rich white liberal play ground. Where the rich could gather and marvel at their open mindedness, their exceptance. A place there they could select those that they wished to be seen with. Mostly those that measured up in some way to their standards.
Exactly what about the ways of the rich & powerful do you not understand. The smart ones don’t wait for change. They see it coming and adjust the situation to their favor. The Blacks at Princeton were selected to be there by very rich and powerful people.
The molding process had begun. Time to make these Black people into White people. Do any of you really believe that rich don’t use their power and influence to manipulate situations. Do you think these people aren’t smart and that they don’t have an agenda.
Let me recommend a book for you to read. You’ve heard of it, you may have even read it. Well it’s time to study it, because the rich do. Maybe, just maybe you’ll learn a little about how the world really works. Sun Tzu’s “The Art of War” Happy studies!
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Well, I’m reading this thesis, and so far I’ve seen nothing “militant” about it.[/quote]
Me either. I bet all of these other people just haven’t finished reading it yet.
LOL
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
orion wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
Hell, no, let us discuss this:
Michelle Obama writes a Bachelor thesis about being a black student 23 years ago.
A women that has been her roommate comes out and agrees that yes indeed, there has been racism, because she and her mother were racists at that point.
That is immediately followed by an attack on Prof X for his reverse racism because he points out that y´all are fucking insane?
Is you all crazy?
The point you’re missing is that, yes, she reacted, but we’re trying to determine if she still thinks that way: Why keep it locked up? Why be friends with Bernadette Dohrn? And it wasn’t 23 years ago when her kids were baptised by Pastor Wright, and it wasn’t 23 years ago when Barack started his career in William Ayers’ livingroom.
I trust her judgment of Rev Wright more than yours.
Since she knows him for decades and you don´t.
If I take some posts out of your several hundred I can make you look like a pedophile.
Be sure to never run for office.
Your pastor just loudly proclaimed: “Goddamn Austria!” and then later said, “Any Austrians who die from terrorism deserve it because our chickens are coming home to roost!”. What do you?
Asking myself if Austria has killed enough people lately that there ACTUALLY ARE chicken that could come home to roost?
So, you agree with Pastor Wright, that innocent people deserved to die on 9/11, and that killing them was justified because of what our government does?
I agree that if you kill enough innocent people that you deserve to die and that you are damned in the eyes of the Lord.
Isn’t one enough…I’m pretty sure the Lord said thou shall not murder…not thou shall no commit many murders, but 5 is okay.
Even if you are in uniform and your government asks you in a really nice manner?
Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
Killing the enemy of your country and killing an innocent are not the same. I suppose we should let murder’s off with a warning instead of putting them to death? It just wouldn’t be fair to take the life of some one who took a life. Get a grip your arguing that every man to ever kill the enemy in a uniform should be considered a murderer. That’s just dumb. [/quote]
Isn´t it convenient that people in power get to write the laws?
Isn´t it also convenient that by the magical act of calling it something else in a law, killing suddenly is ok for most people?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Well, I’m reading this thesis, and so far I’ve seen nothing “militant” about it.
Me either. I bet all of these other people just haven’t finished reading it yet.
LOL[/quote]
Two extremists see nothing wrong with it. Case closed.
Who would you like to right the laws? If you say the people don’t you think they would be against murder, but for defending themselve? If you are attaceked shouldn’t you be allowed to fight back or should we just roll over and let people do what ever they want to us?
To everyone who has posted in this thread: Who has actually read the entire thesis before posted their ideas about it?
I just started reading it…and will read ALL of it. Who else has intentions of doing so as well?
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
To everyone who has posted in this thread: Who has actually read the entire thesis before posted their ideas about it?
I just started reading it…and will read ALL of it. Who else has intentions of doing so as well?[/quote]
I did and I still don’t see what the fuss is about.
Most of these guys seem to enjoy having their opinions given to them by blogs. They lash out when the truth is, they gave up thinking for themselves a long time ago.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
To everyone who has posted in this thread: Who has actually read the entire thesis before posted their ideas about it?
I just started reading it…and will read ALL of it. Who else has intentions of doing so as well?
I did and I still don’t see what the fuss is about.
Most of these guys seem to enjoy having their opinions given to them by blogs. They lash out when the truth is, they gave up thinking for themselves a long time ago.[/quote]
I read the first 50 pages I don’t even need to finish it every other word is BLACk or WHITE Jesus just read the title of the paper. Ya their are no racial undertones at all. My God her thesis is about race and how she feels about it. You don’t write 100 pages about the difference between the black and white community and not have some resentment towards one party or the other. It’s how she was brought up fine. Whatever once again who gives a shit she is going to be sleeping in the white house not sitting behind that nice desk in the oval office. She can be whatever the fuck she wants her signature isn’t required to pass or veto bills.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
To everyone who has posted in this thread: Who has actually read the entire thesis before posted their ideas about it?
I just started reading it…and will read ALL of it. Who else has intentions of doing so as well?
I did and I still don’t see what the fuss is about.
Most of these guys seem to enjoy having their opinions given to them by blogs. They lash out when the truth is, they gave up thinking for themselves a long time ago.
I read the first 50 pages I don’t even need to finish it every other word is BLACk or WHITE Jesus just read the title of the paper. Ya their are no racial undertones at all. My God her thesis is about race and how she feels about it. You don’t write 100 pages about the difference between the black and white community and not have some resentment towards one party or the other. It’s how she was brought up fine. Whatever once again who gives a shit she is going to be sleeping in the white house not sitting behind that nice desk in the oval office. She can be whatever the fuck she wants her signature isn’t required to pass or veto bills. [/quote]
Yet this thread exists among about one hundred others.
The thing is “guilt by association” argument has been used for EVERYTHING this election. And since she is wife of president elect Obama…“he must have the exact line of thinking.”
But what if he does or not…so far this thesis can’t be used an argument that Michelle Obama is against or hates white America…or whatever people are trying to claim.
If so,wouldn’t this have been evident in all areas of her life? Especially in her career…and among her peers?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yet this thread exists among about one hundred others.[/quote]
That’s because she “HATES WHITES!!!1!!” Hasn’t PWI taught you that yet?