Michael Richards' Trial Balloon?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Actually, I tend to think Richards probably could have cared less what race the hecklers were. He got frustrated with them, and went for the most hurtful thing he could say. Had it been two obese whitemen he’d probably would’ve screamed “fat fucks!” It’s speculation, but I tend to think he just blew up and went for the obvious.

In the end we’re talking about Michael Richards. A name that prompts most to say, “Who?” Then, when one says Kramer…“Ooooh.” Why did this even make the news? Maybe 30 seconds spots the first night, but damn.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
If you really want to shock people…prove me wrong and respond with a post that mirrors at least an attempt to double your IQ so that we can read it without losing interest.[/quote]

If I really want to shock people? You make it sound as if that was my intent in the first place, to shock. Yet, I didn’t use racial slurs, sexual content, scatological humor, descriptions of bestiality, etc. I even avoided quoting the word this topic centers on.

Frankly, the word bothers me, period. Regardless of intent, or race of the speaker. That includes hearing it blaring repeatedly out of some young kid’s speakers at a stop light.

Which is why I bring up the double standard. Is it a repulsive word, or not? What’s up with the racially based double standard? Why is some one trick pony comedian big news, when various rap stars (white kids buy this music too) are making money off of records filled with this word? The difference is the race of the speaker? Wow, socially acceptable vocabulary segregation. “I can say it, but you can’t.”

Bull.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I’m telling ya, he was just spitting out some lyrics for his new gangsta thug song. Sorry, the word has meant diddly squat since it became common hip hop venacular. It’s the “I’m black and can say it, but if any of you white boys use it, I’ll beat your ass” word. I really don’t care what context they use the word. Either it’s taboo, or not. Not both ways. Otherwise, it’s a joke.

You’re an idiot.

Your mom.

Thought I’d come down to your level.

Th fact that you don’t seem to realize there is a difference between a black man saying “nigger” and a white man saying it suggests that the level you’re on is that of a third grader already.

And apparently you’re on the Pre-school level. Hello, read my posts again! I pointed out the double standard. That’s what I take issue with.

[/quote]

I’ve read your posts. Here they are in a nutshell:

“There is a double standard between blacks and whites in America! This is not right and I refuse to go along with it!”

Which makes you a moron if you don’t understand the economic, social, political, historic, etc. reasons for there being a double standard.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
People like you try your best to act as if there is no difference. You are usually also the types of people who will try to tell minorities what they have experienced in life

Ah, this stood out on the second reading. People like me. White, with an opinion. That kind. Sorry, my race nothing to do with my opinion and view on this. It’s an opinion that is also shared by many blacks. Especially older generation who find the word offensive, regardless of the speaker’s race.

Now, if you find that my race limits my ability to speak out on the issue, than perhaps you should examine your own prejudices.

Prof X likes to take whatever is said and twist it around, until its about the opposite of what was said. I denounce rascism and am upset that these Hollywood jokers are trying to revive this miserable crap and now I’m a rascist and an idiot. Go figure.

You’re an idiot for SO MANY reasons.

In this speciic case, you’re a fucktard because you somehow believe–despite the total lack of proof, evidence, or even logic–that Kramer is part of some cabal trying to bring back segregated toilets or something.

He was ONE MAN. There was no conspiracy. This is not a trial balloon.

Shithead.

Didn’t know you were omniscient there, Harris. Is that in addition to your open mind and willingness to look at possibilities? Didn’t think so.

Float away, little turd.

[/quote]

Wait: you’re right! The Illuminati, in league with CIA and CAA, brainwashed Kramer into screaming “nigger” into a microphone just to see how it would play out and whether or not it is time to begin the Racial Holy War!

Of course, how could I not see that?

Oh, right: because you’re a paranoid lunatic troll.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I’m telling ya, he was just spitting out some lyrics for his new gangsta thug song. Sorry, the word has meant diddly squat since it became common hip hop venacular. It’s the “I’m black and can say it, but if any of you white boys use it, I’ll beat your ass” word. I really don’t care what context they use the word. Either it’s taboo, or not. Not both ways. Otherwise, it’s a joke.

You’re an idiot.

Your mom.

Thought I’d come down to your level.

Th fact that you don’t seem to realize there is a difference between a black man saying “nigger” and a white man saying it suggests that the level you’re on is that of a third grader already.

And apparently you’re on the Pre-school level. Hello, read my posts again! I pointed out the double standard. That’s what I take issue with.

[/quote]

Before he could read them again, he’d have to read them first. Don’t you know? Harris is our resident Cenobite, casting out hooks to drag you into his little world. He doesn’t reason, he simply vomits…about which he knows more than anyone.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I’m telling ya, he was just spitting out some lyrics for his new gangsta thug song. Sorry, the word has meant diddly squat since it became common hip hop venacular. It’s the “I’m black and can say it, but if any of you white boys use it, I’ll beat your ass” word. I really don’t care what context they use the word. Either it’s taboo, or not. Not both ways. Otherwise, it’s a joke.

You’re an idiot.

Your mom.

Thought I’d come down to your level.

Th fact that you don’t seem to realize there is a difference between a black man saying “nigger” and a white man saying it suggests that the level you’re on is that of a third grader already.

And apparently you’re on the Pre-school level. Hello, read my posts again! I pointed out the double standard. That’s what I take issue with.

I’ve read your posts. Here they are in a nutshell:

“There is a double standard between blacks and whites in America! This is not right and I refuse to go along with it!”

Which makes you a moron if you don’t understand the economic, social, political, historic, etc. reasons for there being a double standard.[/quote]

It’s odd, that I didn’t call you names, yet, you go apeshit with the name calling. You’d think I was on stage screaming racial slurs. You’re a bitter little man. And a bigot, to boot. You champion and justify double standards. You hold one race to standards, you don’t extend to the other. My position doesn’t make a racial divide. Your’s does. I don’t use race to justify behavior. You do. Face it, you’re a bigot.

By the way, your summary suggests I’m making the case that whites should be able to use the word. Hey moron, read the damn posts again. On the contrary, my arguement is exactly the opposite. I don’t want to hear two black men throwing the word around either. So, before you go running your cock holster, make sure you’ve read through the posts, without trying to be offended.

Now, is this the level of debate you were looking for? Just wanted to know if I needed to throw in more name calling.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I’m telling ya, he was just spitting out some lyrics for his new gangsta thug song. Sorry, the word has meant diddly squat since it became common hip hop venacular. It’s the “I’m black and can say it, but if any of you white boys use it, I’ll beat your ass” word. I really don’t care what context they use the word. Either it’s taboo, or not. Not both ways. Otherwise, it’s a joke.

You’re an idiot.

Your mom.

Thought I’d come down to your level.

Th fact that you don’t seem to realize there is a difference between a black man saying “nigger” and a white man saying it suggests that the level you’re on is that of a third grader already.

And apparently you’re on the Pre-school level. Hello, read my posts again! I pointed out the double standard. That’s what I take issue with.

I’ve read your posts. Here they are in a nutshell:

“There is a double standard between blacks and whites in America! This is not right and I refuse to go along with it!”

Which makes you a moron if you don’t understand the economic, social, political, historic, etc. reasons for there being a double standard.

It’s odd, that I didn’t call you names, yet, you go apeshit with the name calling. You’d think I was on stage screaming racial slurs. You’re a bitter little man. And a bigot, to boot. You champion and justify double standards. You hold one race to standards, you don’t extend to the other. My position doesn’t make a racial divide. Your’s does. I don’t use race to justify behavior. You do. Face it, you’re a bigot.

By the way, your summary suggests I’m making the case that whites should be able to use the word. Hey moron, read the damn posts again. On the contrary, my arguement is exactly the opposite. I don’t want to hear two black men throwing the word around either. So, before you go running your cock holster, make sure you’ve read through the posts, without trying to be offended.

Now, is this the level of debate you were looking for? Just wanted to know if I needed to throw in more name calling.[/quote]

Ah, right: I’m the bigot.

The man who doesn’t understand the differences betwen black people saying “nigger” and white people saying it.

That makes sense.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I’m telling ya, he was just spitting out some lyrics for his new gangsta thug song. Sorry, the word has meant diddly squat since it became common hip hop venacular. It’s the “I’m black and can say it, but if any of you white boys use it, I’ll beat your ass” word. I really don’t care what context they use the word. Either it’s taboo, or not. Not both ways. Otherwise, it’s a joke.

You’re an idiot.

Your mom.

Thought I’d come down to your level.

Th fact that you don’t seem to realize there is a difference between a black man saying “nigger” and a white man saying it suggests that the level you’re on is that of a third grader already.

And apparently you’re on the Pre-school level. Hello, read my posts again! I pointed out the double standard. That’s what I take issue with.

Before he could read them again, he’d have to read them first. Don’t you know? Harris is our resident Cenobite, casting out hooks to drag you into his little world. He doesn’t reason, he simply vomits…about which he knows more than anyone.

[/quote]

Cenobite?

You’re throwing Hellraiser at me?

Christ, you have bad taste in [u]everything[/i], don’t you?

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I’m telling ya, he was just spitting out some lyrics for his new gangsta thug song. Sorry, the word has meant diddly squat since it became common hip hop venacular. It’s the “I’m black and can say it, but if any of you white boys use it, I’ll beat your ass” word. I really don’t care what context they use the word. Either it’s taboo, or not. Not both ways. Otherwise, it’s a joke.

You’re an idiot.

Your mom.

Thought I’d come down to your level.

Th fact that you don’t seem to realize there is a difference between a black man saying “nigger” and a white man saying it suggests that the level you’re on is that of a third grader already.

And apparently you’re on the Pre-school level. Hello, read my posts again! I pointed out the double standard. That’s what I take issue with.

I’ve read your posts. Here they are in a nutshell:

“There is a double standard between blacks and whites in America! This is not right and I refuse to go along with it!”

Which makes you a moron if you don’t understand the economic, social, political, historic, etc. reasons for there being a double standard.

It’s odd, that I didn’t call you names, yet, you go apeshit with the name calling. You’d think I was on stage screaming racial slurs. You’re a bitter little man. And a bigot, to boot. You champion and justify double standards. You hold one race to standards, you don’t extend to the other. My position doesn’t make a racial divide. Your’s does. I don’t use race to justify behavior. You do. Face it, you’re a bigot.

By the way, your summary suggests I’m making the case that whites should be able to use the word. Hey moron, read the damn posts again. On the contrary, my arguement is exactly the opposite. I don’t want to hear two black men throwing the word around either. So, before you go running your cock holster, make sure you’ve read through the posts, without trying to be offended.

Now, is this the level of debate you were looking for? Just wanted to know if I needed to throw in more name calling.

Ah, right: I’m the bigot.

The man who doesn’t understand the differences betwen black people saying “nigger” and white people saying it.

That makes sense.
[/quote]

Boy, you are dense. I understand the difference. It’s the whole point. If it carried the same stigma, regardless of who said it, then I wouldn’t have a point to argue.

Let me ask you a hypothetical. Say I got two white pals (or even strangers), and they start calling each other by the name (yes, it happens). I ask them to cut it out, and they get pissed at me. Who is the honorable one? Me? Or them.

Now, say I got two black friends (or strangers), throwing around the word in front of me. I ask them to stop, and they get pissed at me. Am I in the right, in this case? Or, am I a white boy who should just deal with it?

Furthermore, does your arguement hold up if it’s a black person that is deeply offended by other blacks throwing it around? Is he justified in being offended?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I’m telling ya, he was just spitting out some lyrics for his new gangsta thug song. Sorry, the word has meant diddly squat since it became common hip hop venacular. It’s the “I’m black and can say it, but if any of you white boys use it, I’ll beat your ass” word. I really don’t care what context they use the word. Either it’s taboo, or not. Not both ways. Otherwise, it’s a joke.

You’re an idiot.

Your mom.

Thought I’d come down to your level.

Th fact that you don’t seem to realize there is a difference between a black man saying “nigger” and a white man saying it suggests that the level you’re on is that of a third grader already.

And apparently you’re on the Pre-school level. Hello, read my posts again! I pointed out the double standard. That’s what I take issue with.

I’ve read your posts. Here they are in a nutshell:

“There is a double standard between blacks and whites in America! This is not right and I refuse to go along with it!”

Which makes you a moron if you don’t understand the economic, social, political, historic, etc. reasons for there being a double standard.

It’s odd, that I didn’t call you names, yet, you go apeshit with the name calling. You’d think I was on stage screaming racial slurs. You’re a bitter little man. And a bigot, to boot. You champion and justify double standards. You hold one race to standards, you don’t extend to the other. My position doesn’t make a racial divide. Your’s does. I don’t use race to justify behavior. You do. Face it, you’re a bigot.

By the way, your summary suggests I’m making the case that whites should be able to use the word. Hey moron, read the damn posts again. On the contrary, my arguement is exactly the opposite. I don’t want to hear two black men throwing the word around either. So, before you go running your cock holster, make sure you’ve read through the posts, without trying to be offended.

Now, is this the level of debate you were looking for? Just wanted to know if I needed to throw in more name calling.

Ah, right: I’m the bigot.

The man who doesn’t understand the differences betwen black people saying “nigger” and white people saying it.

That makes sense.

Boy, you are dense. I understand the difference. It’s the whole point. If it carried the same stigma, regardless of who said it, then I wouldn’t have a point to argue.

Let me ask you a hypothetical. Say I got two white pals (or even strangers), and they start calling each other by the name (yes, it happens). I ask them to cut it out, and they get pissed at me. Who is the honorable one? Me? Or them.

Now, say I got two black friends (or strangers), throwing around the word in front of me. I ask them to stop, and they get pissed at me. Am I in the right, in this case? Or, am I a white boy who should just deal with it?

Furthermore, does your arguement hold up if it’s a black person that is deeply offended by other blacks throwing it around? Is he justified in being offended? [/quote]

You know it’s a hypothetical because I’m fairly sure you don’t have any black friends.

You don’t understand that YOU DON’T GET A VOTE ON THE “N word” SITUATION.

That’s why I call you names and mock your intelligence.

You don’t seem to want to understand that Iam allowed to make fun of Jews for being cheap, while you are not.

Why? Because you saying it is offensive. Me saying it is funny.

What are you, fucking twelve that you don’t understand how the world works?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
People like you try your best to act as if there is no difference. You are usually also the types of people who will try to tell minorities what they have experienced in life

Ah, this stood out on the second reading. People like me. White, with an opinion. That kind. Sorry, my race nothing to do with my opinion and view on this. It’s an opinion that is also shared by many blacks. Especially older generation who find the word offensive, regardless of the speaker’s race.

Now, if you find that my race limits my ability to speak out on the issue, than perhaps you should examine your own prejudices.[/quote]

You would have to read that twice, wouldn’t you? I didn’t mention anyone’s race and your race is a nonissue with regards to that statement. You sure are doing a lot of assuming. You could be West Indian and it sill applies so what the hell are you talking about?

Look, we get it. We know that ignorance is the root of your affliction along with a very hardy addition of “loud mouth”. The problem is, you aren’t listening if you always have your mouth open.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
If you really want to shock people…prove me wrong and respond with a post that mirrors at least an attempt to double your IQ so that we can read it without losing interest.

If I really want to shock people? You make it sound as if that was my intent in the first place, to shock. Yet, I didn’t use racial slurs, sexual content, scatological humor, descriptions of bestiality, etc. I even avoided quoting the word this topic centers on.

Frankly, the word bothers me, period. Regardless of intent, or race of the speaker. That includes hearing it blaring repeatedly out of some young kid’s speakers at a stop light.

Which is why I bring up the double standard. Is it a repulsive word, or not? What’s up with the racially based double standard? Why is some one trick pony comedian big news, when various rap stars (white kids buy this music too) are making money off of records filled with this word? The difference is the race of the speaker? Wow, socially acceptable vocabulary segregation. “I can say it, but you can’t.”

Bull. [/quote]

You can say it all you want to. In fact, I challenge you to stand in the middle of 4 different majority black neighborhoods and randomly call people that particular word straight to their faces loud enough so they can hear. I think your voice should be heard. I think you need to get out there and prove your point. The world needs to hear what you have to say and that should start…right now.

Tell us how it went.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
You know it’s a hypothetical because I’m fairly sure you don’t have any black friends.
[/quote]

You’re right, I don’t. I can’t get any to attend the clan rallies. And there’s a referral fee this month! Any other stereotypes you want to throw at me?

I didn’t realize it’s a ballot initiative. Do you mean an opinion? I’m a human being. Therefore, I’ll form opinions on what I please. Not, what pleases you.

No, you call names because you realize how contorted your arguements are when carried out to their logical conclusions.

So only christians can do christian stereotypes? Only whites can do stereotyped white impersonations (uh oh, Dave Chappelle and Def Comedy Jam)? Do you agree with this?

Heck, you insuniate I’m a racist (no black friends). Therefore, I will call myself a racist. Since you’re not a racist (as if), you can longer imply that I am one.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sloth:
Frankly, the word bothers me, period. Regardless of intent, or race of the speaker. That includes hearing it blaring repeatedly out of some young kid’s speakers at a stop light.
[/quote]

Yep, you didn’t read a word of my post. I argued the exact opposite of the proposal you’re making. Once, you reread what I’ve typed, we’ll talk. Here, maybe some cliff notes will help. Read the quoted section above. I’m not argueing for whites to use the word. I don’t want to hear it coming out of a black guy’s mouth. Do you understand yet? Shall I put in all caps for you?

By the way, are you this sensitive when it comes to stereotypical lily white impersonations popularized by black comedians? Just a side question.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:

You don’t seem to want to understand that Iam allowed to make fun of Jews for being cheap, while you are not.
[/quote]

One of the most asinine things you’ve ever said, and that cover a lot of ground.

That was the level of rationale I expected from you. Of course, because you are black you can make fun of anyone, right?

Past racial injustices that had nothing to do with you gives you the right to be a jerk?

Makes a ton of sense…but not really.

LOL! You’re asking yourself this, right?

Okay everyone, watch how harris responds to my post.

I can’t wait!

Dustin

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[quote]Dustin wrote:
harris447 wrote:

You don’t seem to want to understand that Iam allowed to make fun of Jews for being cheap, while you are not.

One of the most asinine things you’ve ever said, and that cover a lot of ground.

Why? Because you saying it is offensive. Me saying it is funny.

That was the level of rationale I expected from you. Of course, because you are black you can make fun of anyone, right?

Past racial injustices that had nothing to do with you gives you the right to be a jerk?

Makes a ton of sense…but not really.

What are you, fucking twelve that you don’t understand how the world works?

LOL! You’re asking yourself this, right?

Okay everyone, watch how harris responds to my post.

I can’t wait!

Dustin

[/quote]

Oh! Hey! Dusty!

You al remember, Dusty, everybody!

He was the guy with the Neo-Nazi avatar that got chased off this site by, well…just about everybody!

Nice to see you back, shit-for-brains!

We all need to hear your opinion on racial matters.

Go ahead: we’re waiting with baited breath.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:
You know it’s a hypothetical because I’m fairly sure you don’t have any black friends.

You’re right, I don’t. I can’t get any to attend the clan rallies. And there’s a referral fee this month! Any other stereotypes you want to throw at me?

You don’t understand that YOU DON’T GET A VOTE ON THE “N word” SITUATION.

I didn’t realize it’s a ballot initiative. Do you mean an opinion? I’m a human being. Therefore, I’ll form opinions on what I please. Not, what pleases you.

That’s why I call you names and mock your intelligence.

No, you call names because you realize how contorted your arguements are when carried out to their logical conclusions.

You don’t seem to want to understand that Iam allowed to make fun of Jews for being cheap, while you are not. Why? Because you saying it is offensive. Me saying it is funny.

So only christians can do christian stereotypes? Only whites can do stereotyped white impersonations (uh oh, Dave Chappelle and Def Comedy Jam)? Do you agree with this?

Heck, you insuniate I’m a racist (no black friends). Therefore, I will call myself a racist. Since you’re not a racist (as if), you can longer imply that I am one. [/quote]

Hmm…literally interpreting metaphors (the ‘voting’ thing), using absolutely patheitc arguments (the “I’m a racist thing”), and having no argument other than refusing to see where you’re wrong.

You’re one of my 13-year-old students, aren’t you?

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

You don’t seem to want to understand that Iam allowed to make fun of Jews for being cheap, while you are not.

One of the most asinine things you’ve ever said, and that cover a lot of ground.

Why? Because you saying it is offensive. Me saying it is funny.

That was the level of rationale I expected from you. Of course, because you are black you can make fun of anyone, right?
I can’t wait!

Dustin

[/quote]

Hmm, I assumed he was Jewish. Therefore, able to make stereotype jokes about ‘his people.’ Am, I wrong?

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[quote]harris447 wrote:

Hmm…literally interpreting metaphors (the ‘voting’ thing), using absolutely patheitc arguments (the “I’m a racist thing”), and having no argument other than refusing to see where you’re wrong.

You’re one of my 13-year-old students, aren’t you?[/quote]

It’s called being a smartass. Look to the ‘clan referral month’ wise-crack, for an example of this. It’s in the same post. And, my pathetic “I’m a racist thing,” was mocking your pathetic arguements. Not to be taken literally…

Damn! You spend all this time insulting my intelligence, and then ask if I’m one of your students. Not alot of self confidence in your teaching skills? Ooooooh Buuuuurn! Yes, I’m bored trying to have a serious and adult debate with you.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:

Oh! Hey! Dusty!

You al remember, Dusty, everybody!

He was the guy with the Neo-Nazi avatar that got chased off this site by, well…just about everybody!

Nice to see you back, shit-for-brains!

We all need to hear your opinion on racial matters.

Go ahead: we’re waiting with baited breath.[/quote]

Shit-for-brains! LOL! It didn’t take you long did it?

As usual, you didn’t respond to my post. You just went straight to name-calling.

Yes harris, I ran away and hid. About 80% of the people who post in the ‘Politics and World Issues’ forum are ignoramuses and I could care less what they have to say. That’s why most of the old forum members won’t even touch this board anymore. It’s precisely the reason I don’t post much anymore.

I know your reading comprehension is that of a five year old, so go ask your mommy to read my last post for you. Then try your best to respond.