Late to the party, but X and CC you make valid points. And I am assuming, you can relate a bit better because you two are much larger and more developed than the vast majority of people who call themselves bodybuilders, professional or not.
Iron Dwarf, I will tell you pointblank, everyone has their reasons, not to continue to compete; but saying a person is mentally weak because they don’t feel like dealing with the criticism is a false and blanket statement. I can say from personal experience, at times you just don’t want to be bothered with the bullshit. Just being bigger and stronger than most people causes negative talk and stupid reactions, so I can only imagine how bad it can be when you compete or have the genetics that pros do.
I turned down Div 1 football scholarships to take an academic scholarship because I had seen guys I played with in high school get jerked when they got hurt in college. Does that make me mentally weak?
I knew pro BBs that said I had the genetics to compete and go pro, but I didn’t because I just did it for fun and didn’t feel like being as disciplined as they had to do to get in competition condition. Does that make me mentally weak?
I used to work out with competitive powerlifters as well, who said I should compete because I was repping what a lot of them were doing one max reps with, but I didn’t because I was more interested in competing with myself to see how far I could push as opposed to getting a trophy. Does that make me mentally weak?
Bodybuilding fans, as a group, tend to be negative, whiny, nitpicking little girls who seem to want to justify their own shortcomings by tearing apart those who are at the top of the game. If someone doesn’t want to deal with that shit, that’s their prerogative.
We don’t know if that is the reason or not…but that dude did vanish from the scene right after that. Maybe he’ll be back, who knows…but what I do know is that his fucking curl weight and his meals eaten have jack shit to do with him being in a bodybuilding stage and what he is judged for.[/quote]
When I watched that interview I thought “yeah right whatever” and didn’t think much about it. I didn’t know the forums went berserk over it and he disappeared until I read this thread and did some googling. Obviously he was just throwing shit out there during the interview. I just think it would be weak IF he quit over just that. He had a great physique.
We don’t know if that is the reason or not…but that dude did vanish from the scene right after that. Maybe he’ll be back, who knows…but what I do know is that his fucking curl weight and his meals eaten have jack shit to do with him being in a bodybuilding stage and what he is judged for.[/quote]
When I watched that interview I thought “yeah right whatever” and didn’t think much about it. I didn’t know the forums went berserk over it and he disappeared until I read this thread and did some googling. Obviously he was just throwing shit out there during the interview. I just think it would be weak IF he quit over just that. He had a great physique.[/quote]
But it isn’t weak at all. He made a statement basically implying that he doesn’t watch his food intake much. People took that and ran with it. Next thing you know, tons of newbs and dumbasses are calling him out as a liar for saying he only eats a little during the day.
Again, none of that shit has ANYTHING AT ALL to do with why he was on stage in the first place…so why stick around once people show you they intend to tear you apart for things you didn’t even train for?
I’ve listened to the interview with Dave Palumbo, and I think when Charles says he usually gets only one meal a day, he means one proper sit down meal. I know that if I have a shake while I’m doing something, I don’t really think about that as a meal. And when you consider that this guy has been training in essentially isolation for 10 years, and was asked to compete by other people, is what he’s saying really that crazy?
If he dropped out of the scene, it’s probably because, like Vic Richards, he trains for himself and isn’t really interested in competing. I doubt Charles is too concerned with what internet pundits think.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I’ve listened to the interview with Dave Palumbo, and I think when Charles says he usually gets only one meal a day, he means one proper sit down meal. I know that if I have a shake while I’m doing something, I don’t really think about that as a meal. And when you consider that this guy has been training in essentially isolation for 10 years, and was asked to compete by other people, is what he’s saying really that crazy?
If he dropped out of the scene, it’s probably because, like Vic Richards, he trains for himself and isn’t really interested in competing. I doubt Charles is too concerned with what internet pundits think.[/quote]
However, you happen to be thinking logically. That is NOT what all of those people tearing him down were doing. Yes, I agree, that is what I got from his statement as well and even wrote as much here…but that didn’t stop a few on this site for starting threads about the weight he could lift…and mind you, the man is near or over 300lbs in the off season when not competing so his curl weight didn’t strike me as that damned odd.
Expecting the man to do the same on camera when he is dieted down by 20-30lbs is retarded.
PX if I recall correctly you were saying Max Charles’ lifts and eating habits were questionable as well.
That having been said I think there’s some distinction to be made. IronDwarf from what I understand you meant no one gets into “lifting” thinking they want to go pro, not “bodybuilding”. I think some people probably do get into bodybuilding thinking they want to make money/go pro, i.e. they do their first competition with that in mind. However, like you said I don’t think many people get into lifting with that on their mind.
Also the difference between competing and working out. I think it would be ridiculous for these guys to stop working out because their fans don’t applause them. I mean none of us have fans (well most of us don’t) but we do it for ourselves (although I think most can agree getting applause from friends and even forum members can feel motivating). But I think it does make sense to stop competing if all you here is negative comments. That having been said there are tons of BBing competitors who have been doing it for 20+ years without having tons of fans.
Dusty Hanshaw mentioned he’s been accused recently of doing gay porn before BBing and other hate as well but he pushes through it.
dorian yates wrote a 3 page article in last month’s muscular development addressing “the internet” in bodybuilding. good for visibility and keeping current with the industry, but really bad about the internet fan anonymity; if you wanted to tear someone down in the “old days” you had to go to a show, and say it to their face (… and it sounded like you’d be beat down shortly after)
[quote]UFgator11 wrote:
dorian yates wrote a 3 page article in last month’s muscular development addressing “the internet” in bodybuilding. good for visibility and keeping current with the industry, but really bad about the internet fan anonymity; if you wanted to tear someone down in the “old days” you had to go to a show, and say it to their face (… and it sounded like you’d be beat down shortly after)[/quote]
There is no accountability anymore. Some donut eating jackass can now very easily rip apart Vic Martinez while the lap top rests on his enormous gut all while posting avatars that make it seem like he is really Sergio Oliva.
[quote]UFgator11 wrote:
dorian yates wrote a 3 page article in last month’s muscular development addressing “the internet” in bodybuilding. good for visibility and keeping current with the industry, but really bad about the internet fan anonymity; if you wanted to tear someone down in the “old days” you had to go to a show, and say it to their face (… and it sounded like you’d be beat down shortly after)[/quote]
There is no accountability anymore. Some donut eating jackass can now very easily rip apart Vic Martinez while the lap top rests on his enormous gut all while posting avatars that make it seem like he is really Sergio Oliva.[/quote]
YouTube comments are the worst.
I have no idea how I have thus far escaped this phenomena
There is no accountability anymore. Some donut eating jackass can now very easily rip apart Vic Martinez while the lap top rests on his enormous gut all while posting avatars that make it seem like he is really Sergio Oliva.[/quote]
[quote]UFgator11 wrote:
dorian yates wrote a 3 page article in last month’s muscular development addressing “the internet” in bodybuilding. good for visibility and keeping current with the industry, but really bad about the internet fan anonymity; if you wanted to tear someone down in the “old days” you had to go to a show, and say it to their face (… and it sounded like you’d be beat down shortly after)[/quote]
There is no accountability anymore. Some donut eating jackass can now very easily rip apart Vic Martinez while the lap top rests on his enormous gut all while posting avatars that make it seem like he is really Sergio Oliva.[/quote]
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
PX if I recall correctly you were saying Max Charles’ lifts and eating habits were questionable as well.
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I wrote that he likely means he doesn’t watch what he eats closely. I’ll wait while you find that thread because I believe White Flash on this site was the one calling him out. I was on the other end trying to figure out why it mattered so much.
Wow, I’m a bit late to the thread, but here’s my take on the abundance of haters in our little niche sport…
People are VERY subjectively involved with how they look. I know that sounds weird, but hear me out. While some people have ‘projects’ they work on, for bodybuilders (forget the whole making a living thing for a moment), their ‘project’ is their body. Now, unlike other artisans, they must walk around everyday in the item of their own construction. Some BBers take a very objective view (I try to do this, because as a professional artist for many years, I couldn’t get too attached to everything I created, as the director may call for changes), and can take constructive criticism (“bro, your ass is getting too big, it’s gonna throw off your symmetry”), while others take everything personally (“damn asshat said my butt was too big, what the hell does he know?!”). Due to this phenomenon in ALL humans, because spectators may have not reached their own physique goals, it becomes a personal offense when someone else has, especially if it can be viewed as the other person is having a much easier time (always perceived this way, although not always true).
Of course the notion that some people DO in fact get into the game to make a living (I talk to Desmond Miller everyday, and that was his plan),… well, that certainly has to change your perception somewhat. Me,… well, I know there’s no money in Natural Bodybuilding (or even assisted bodybuilding for everyone but the top 3-5 in the world really), and my own motivation is simply a matter of personal accomplishment and pride. Of course I also tend to view myself as much more than a bodybuilder,… it’s just one facet of my personality,… unfortunately most people that are so committed to their training can become one sided, and when that’s all you have, when it’s how you define who you are, I guess it can be easy to take things personally (especially from armchair quarterbacks).
I think it was Palumbo who said you haven’t made it in bodybuilding until you have a thread ripping apart everything about you on getbig.
As far as guys posting on sites - they get paid to post on some sites so it’s pretty hard to avoid the internet completely, and if you were posting on a site and saw a thread about you wouldn’t you be curious and want to go see what it was about.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
PX if I recall correctly you were saying Max Charles’ lifts and eating habits were questionable as well.
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I wrote that he likely means he doesn’t watch what he eats closely. I’ll wait while you find that thread because I believe White Flash on this site was the one calling him out. I was on the other end trying to figure out why it mattered so much.[/quote]
I don’t remember it 100% (could probably find it or if someone wants to post a link) but I do remember you saying you’d have to see the curl weight to believe it. Not that that’s irrational, I would too. But it’s just part of the whole “calling him a liar” thing. I would imagine some people said worse than that though but I can’t say for sure.
Also I completely agree with what Stu said. I pretty much critique every physique I see, even if they’re way bigger/leaner than me. I don’t think “wow he looks like shit” or something but right away when I see a physique I often notice the flaws or what could be improved. I think most have that outlook after being in this for awhile. When I see pics of Stu, Waylander, Px I notice things that could be brought up to increase the overall package but all of these guys are further along than me in development
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
PX if I recall correctly you were saying Max Charles’ lifts and eating habits were questionable as well.
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I wrote that he likely means he doesn’t watch what he eats closely. I’ll wait while you find that thread because I believe White Flash on this site was the one calling him out. I was on the other end trying to figure out why it mattered so much.[/quote]
I don’t remember it 100% (could probably find it or if someone wants to post a link) but I do remember you saying you’d have to see the curl weight to believe it. Not that that’s irrational, I would too. But it’s just part of the whole “calling him a liar” thing. I would imagine some people said worse than that though but I can’t say for sure.
Also I completely agree with what Stu said. I pretty much critique every physique I see, even if they’re way bigger/leaner than me. I don’t think “wow he looks like shit” or something but right away when I see a physique I often notice the flaws or what could be improved. I think most have that outlook after being in this for awhile. When I see pics of Stu, Waylander, Px I notice things that could be brought up to increase the overall package but all of these guys are further along than me in development[/quote]
That thread is here:
I was by no means calling this guy out in any way but using his progress to make the statement that you have to train according to your own genetics.
[quote]UFgator11 wrote:
dorian yates wrote a 3 page article in last month’s muscular development addressing “the internet” in bodybuilding. good for visibility and keeping current with the industry, but really bad about the internet fan anonymity; if you wanted to tear someone down in the “old days” you had to go to a show, and say it to their face (… and it sounded like you’d be beat down shortly after)[/quote]
There is no accountability anymore. Some donut eating jackass can now very easily rip apart Vic Martinez while the lap top rests on his enormous gut all while posting avatars that make it seem like he is really Sergio Oliva.[/quote]
This must be it, i think Dorian got it right.
Maybe its generational too, not sure. Some sites have members showing a lot of respect. Obviously Draper and Levrone have big followings, i believe Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray are regulars at one site and seem to get respect, among other sites i dont see many big name current contenders but a few from the 90’s and some golden era - Serge Nubret in particular was noted for his q&a threads, in french and english
Certain sites just seem to be unbalanced in favor of negative and disrespectful kids, i tend to skim read those only occasionally so i may be getting an unfair view of them and there may be plenty of current bbers contributing and being respected for doing so, but i dont get that impression
T-Nation seems to walk a middle line by staying focussed on exercise & nutrition and a little less on the scene, probably wise.
There is no use arguing on the internet, too many times I find myself wanting to type something nasty, but I refrain because I can never win those battles, just keep beasting shit on your own behalf and you will shine.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
PX if I recall correctly you were saying Max Charles’ lifts and eating habits were questionable as well.
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I wrote that he likely means he doesn’t watch what he eats closely. I’ll wait while you find that thread because I believe White Flash on this site was the one calling him out. I was on the other end trying to figure out why it mattered so much.[/quote]
I don’t remember it 100% (could probably find it or if someone wants to post a link) but I do remember you saying you’d have to see the curl weight to believe it. Not that that’s irrational, I would too. But it’s just part of the whole “calling him a liar” thing. I would imagine some people said worse than that though but I can’t say for sure.
Also I completely agree with what Stu said. I pretty much critique every physique I see, even if they’re way bigger/leaner than me. I don’t think “wow he looks like shit” or something but right away when I see a physique I often notice the flaws or what could be improved. I think most have that outlook after being in this for awhile. When I see pics of Stu, Waylander, Px I notice things that could be brought up to increase the overall package but all of these guys are further along than me in development[/quote]
That thread is here:
I was by no means calling this guy out in any way but using his progress to make the statement that you have to train according to your own genetics. [/quote]
This is part of what I was referring to:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I know those 3hr plus workouts are ridiculous and I really don’t see how someone who works three jobs and goes to school has the time for that…unless one of his jobs is as a personal trainer at that gym.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would have to see a 350lbs preacher curl though with my own eyes to believe that one.
I also agree that his food intake is questionable. Someone who only needed one small meal a day would be able to diet just fine on chicken breasts…something he was not able to do.
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I’m not looking for an argument, I know you weren’t calling this guy out. It’s just an example of people questioning the truth of what he says. As mentioned I’m sure some do/did it in a more negative way.