Primo will be your friend that is if you have the time since it needs to be ran for long periods of time, primo seems to put on the most lean mass and less sides strength gains are not very good either on this compound this is mostly a compound for very lean muscle mass, you can add Deca to the stack for some size and healing effects this will also give you the strength you need but will also bloat you up abit. This is just an idea, i am not a professional coach however, i never ran this stack but have a friend that tried it and he had some good results.
I think id rather just gain as much naturally this off season then use
sarms for cutting
1 Like
sounds like a decent plan for the offseason,… not gonna agree on the second part though.
S
I think thats a better plan TBH. You gotta realize you’re in this for the long haul no matter what–natural or not–guys at the top have been thru 30+ shows, and a lot of thr things they learned that got them there have nothing to do with AAS, a single offseason cycle isn’t going to get you where you want to be in terms of mass right now–its a process no matter what.
So good plan. I think PEDs will help you cut more effectively, but you want to make sure you can make things work without the “help” as well. If it won’t work in a natural cut, it won’t really work and you’ll get results with SARMS or AAS in spite of the diet instead of on top of the diet as “extra” fat loss if that makes sense.
I don’t have anything at all against PED use, you’re an adult and can make your own decisions. I just don’t want you to start down the slippery path of thinking they’re a shortcut past necessary work and lessons and TIME. Time is something everybody at the local level tries to bypass and nobody is successful at it, not even Ronnie Coleman or Phil Heath. They put the time in and are legends because of it. Sucks–I’ll be the first to admit it–but it is what it is.
At any rate, good luck either way!
1 Like
I should add that I think even though off season gains will be slower without AAS you’ll learn a ton of really valuable tricks and info from a good productive natural offseason. Hell for that matter you’ll learn a lot of useful info from an unsuccessful offseason if you’re willing to learn it, even though none of us ever want that…ever lol.
I dont mind if they are slow. I love this lifestyle with or without aas. I
was fat and i cut without steroids or sarms
One question though
Is it still possible to make gains naturally now if my diet and training is
on point considering the fact that i have done a test only cycle with
proper pct
1 Like
Depends on your bloodwork…what are your Test levels now? What were they prior to your cycle? E2 levels? FSH & LH levels?
You can definitely make gains, if your body has recovered from the cycle of course. The gains wont be like the AAS, which may discourage you some…but that is just something to be cognizant of.
My first show is definitely gonna be natural
Wanna see how my physique compares to others without aas
Yes it very much is. Don’t take this the wrong way because it’s not meant as a criticism–and you’ve been very cool about the constructive criticism you’ve been given–but that type of question is exactly why I have been saying what I have to you about learning more about diet and training.
The reason is because an experienced guy knows his growth ceiling isn’t that low. I started training with weights at 160 lbs and 6’1". I gained over 80 lbs and still fit into jeans with an athletic waist. It took almost 8 years and a shitload of learning. Full disclosure I have no real interest in personally being a competitive bodybuilder, so I’m not in contest condition, but I can still wear jeans that are almost the same waist size as when I started.
This is one reason I roll my eyes at questions like the one you asked in most cases. People don’t understand how high the ceiling really can be when you apply yourself to learning everything you can AND working your ass off with 100% focus for years on end.
I run into people all the time saying some variation of “I gained 15 lbs, but I just can’t gain any more weight–I think my genetics are tapped out, what cycle should I go on??” And honestly–that pisses me the fuck off. This isn’t directed at you in this thread btw, just a general thing.
I just think to myself–and sometimes tell them when I am feeling particularly aggravated (usually the one drunk dude that comes up to you in a bar) “you know fucker, you don’t even know what hard work is. You don’t know how to even bemch properly. You don’t care to learn how to squat or deadlift properly. You don’t care about doing anything new other than the tired old 3x10 at the same weights you started with and you complain about not growing. You can’t tell me what you ate today. Or yesterday. Or the day before that. Or last week. You have no fucking room to talk about wanting to cycle”
Anyway–again this is not directed at you. Point is, growing is hard fucking work! And just because something got you the first 15 lbs doesnt mean its going to get you the next 10, or 20, or 30. I mean, does it make sense that what got you a 135 lb bemch would be the same thing to get you 225? Or that what you did to get 225 would be the same as what you do to get 405? No!!! Because you have to get smarter AND work harder/smarter to break new ground.
What gets a kid the starting apot on a middle school football team ain’t going to cut it for a starting spot in Varsity and it damn sure ain’t going to get him to an NCAA D1 scholarship let alone pro. He’s got to learn–new skills, new drills, new playbooks, new defensive schemes, new ways to read the defense, new ways to pick up on “tells” of his opponents that give him info on what theyre going to do on the snap.
Same thing applies to growing muscle, getting strong, and getting ripped (only growing is harder and slower than getting ripped). People just don’t want to face the time required to invest in both learning/reading/experimenting AND doing in the gym. This is actually independent of steroid use–I mean nobody wants to work hard, natural OR enhanced. Its the reason you see so many juice heads that don’t look any good at local gyms. Sure they’re big compared to the locals at the YMCA, but that’s because they’re in a small pond.
The top guys are that way because of work ethic and time and learning. Sure they have genetics, but without fail ALL of them are hard workers who consistently learn more about how to improve training and nutrition for themselves. Maybe not jn a science setting, maybe they’re hands on people who try new things in the gym. But they all do it in their own way and they all have put in 10+ years.
This is the same talk I give my athletes btw, you’re just a victim of circumstance lol. You have to face the long grind at plateaus for months or years (hopefully not!), the frustration, the difficulties…that’s what makes you learn the next great thing. Its willpower.
3 Likes
I concur with everyone else that chemical assistance wouldn’t be prudent right now. You’re 5’5" at 142lbs not stage lean yet, just for comparison I’m 5’4" and 143 was my stage weight last year for bodybuilding (natural), off season hanging between 160-165lbs. You’ve got a LOT of room left to make gains just by improving your training and nutrition. If you can post a picture without dim lighting, or a filter that helps you look good, it might be easier to give more detailed advice.
STOP POSING FOR PICTURES!!! Just send a straight on front and back shot… If you plan on competing you’ll be very familiar with this because you don’t use fancy filters or “cool” poses when you check-in. Also, If I were you, I’d focus on making as much progress as I could naturally before jumping to gear. I don’t know how your body handles food as far as storing fat, but maybe add more calories so you are at more than a 500 calorie surplus. Everybody is different. I gain and hold bodyfat pretty easily, but my off-season diet is still wayyyyy more than 500 calories over surplus. Don’t be scared to eat. Gotta eat to grow. Also, take into consideration of the weight you’ll be on stage. There are guys your height that look crazy because they can pack muscle on a smaller frame than someone like me. You’ll have to put on a good 40 pounds off-season like Aragorn said. If not, you’ll cut down to nothing.
My first show I was started at a soft 210… my stage weight was about 172… less before I carbed up. My most recent show I was at 215 to start and I cut to 178. I had more muscle to hold on too and I didnt have to go suicidal on cardio towards the end. My next show is late next year and I’m doing classic… Plan on being 240 off-season.
Don’t be scared to eat… Who cares if you don’t have a cool 6 pack all year round.
Good luck man!!! Eat food and sling weights!!!
1 Like
you said you’ve done a cycle already. you’re a piece of shit if you compete in a natural show.
piece.
of.
shit.
5 Likes
How in the actual fuck can you say you are natural and you’ve done a test cycle?? I’m not natural and I admit to it… I don’t hide it… My first show prep I was 100% natty… My coach and I decided that I would do what was necessary in order to reach my goals… And you are 23… I feel dumb for missing this before i posted my last reply. No test isn’t tren or anything crazy… but its still not being natty… Oh and SARMS… Do those come with tampons? that shit its just BS gear… I can speak on them because I have done them… They are a waste of money. After you get your story straight and post straight on pics, you can decide if you wanna run gear or nah.
1 Like
moosejuice0311 https://t-nation.com/users/moosejuice0311
December 13STOP POSING FOR PICTURES!!! Just send a straight on front and back
shot… If you plan on competing you’ll be very familiar with this because
you don’t use fancy filters or “cool” poses when you check-in. Also, If I
were you, I’d focus on making as much progress as I could naturally before
jumping to gear. I don’t know how your body handles food as far as storing
fat, but maybe add more calories so you are at more than a 500 calorie
surplus. Everybody is different. I gain and hold bodyfat pretty easily, but
my off-season diet is still wayyyyy more than 500 calories over surplus.
Don’t be scared to eat. Gotta eat to grow. Also, take into consideration of
the weight you’ll be on stage. There are guys your height that look crazy
because they can pack muscle on a smaller frame than someone like me.
You’ll have to put on a good 40 pounds off-season like Aragorn said. If
not, you’ll cut down to nothing.My first show I was started at a soft 210… my stage weight was about
172… less before I carbed up. My most recent show I was at 215 to start
and I cut to 178. I had more muscle to hold on too and I didnt have to go
suicidal on cardio towards the end. My next show is late next year and I’m
doing classic… Plan on being 240 off-season.Don’t be scared to eat… Who cares if you don’t have a cool 6 pack all
year round.Good luck man!!! Eat food and sling weights!!!
Visit Topic
https://t-nation.com/t/mens-physique-contest-prep-cycle/224315/32
or reply to this email to respond.To unsubscribe from these emails, click here
https://t-nation.com/email/unsubscribe/31435dd2416e40e516c6328d3476fa6cb53948a2c344ebfe6b681c8c6b627fac
.
I am in a 800 caloric surplus
With adequate amount of carbs,proteins and fats
My training is a mixture of bodybuilding volume and powerlifting style
approach for compounds
Lifts are 225 bench
405 dead
315 squat
Since i cant compete in natural then what would be my best off season cycle
Considering the fact that i have one test cycle under my belt
Test and tbol?
No drugs for you bruhh just eat big and Iift heavy for 3-5 years… get your weight up naturally
Just looking at your body type and I don’t think that only an 800 calorie surplus is gonna cut it. You need to be pounding food all day. You’ve gotta put on some size. Think about it. You are 140 something right now. You will cut to 120 or maybe less… You’ll look tiny compared to some of the guys in shows. Also, the picture thing has just become hilarious to me… You post one saying something about sunlight… lol its so damn bright your whole physique is washed out and your improved back shot is in a dark room… Find a mirror and adequate lighting and take the pics. It isn’t that hard. And yes, you are still trying to pose in the front picture… Just take a straight on picture… How can people give you pointers and help when all of your pictures are doctored or are taken of you posing? I’m not saying this to talk shit… I’m trying to help but damn…
Have you even picked a show? Coach? Do you know how long your prep will have to be? Know how to pose? You have wayyyyyyyy more to think about besides if you are going to run gear or not. Have you researched the compounds you want to run? If not, then you should probably do that before seeking any advice. Do your research. Know what you are doing and have a plan. This isn’t something you can just decide to do and then go stand next to Buendia on stage. You have plenty of time so don’t rush it. Put in the work in and out of the gym.
I practise my posing everyday. My show is the opa regionals in November
Open class
I know how tough the competition is since i helped a friend with his prep. He competed naturally
I uavehave researched about every single compound there is. Hence my conclusion to run test and tbol
I was thinking eq too but want to save three compounds for my third cycle