Men and Women, Women and Men

Yes.

Sure. Low self esteem. History of abuse. Father figure with similar personality traits. Stuck in a hard situation (recent divorce or dead husband with children they are struggling to care for). Abandonment issues. Not to say that there aren’t perfectly functional women who end up with these men, but as a general rule.

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Dang it. I said I was gonna stay out of this thread. I’m failing miserably.

Those losers are irresistible to most women

Guess I’m just not most women.

Good ! It’s embarrassing

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Lol.

I understand. And that’s true for some, maybe most. However when I’ve mentioned this topic, my premise has been that such men get an inordinate amount of women, that they are chic magnets. So I assume that in some cases it has nothing to do with what’s mentioned, but rather sexual stimulation, power, and social status from such men. Is that a far-out thought?

As I said many posts and weeks ago, when I went down memory lane and told a female former classmate (who actually liked me, but I didn’t know it at the time), ā€œYou women were owned by (insert gang name),ā€ to which she replied, ā€œI don’t deny thatā€.

Some of these women were treated like shit and embarrassed. Some don’t know that I was exposed to videos and photos of them in circulation by these scumbags pre internet. Kinda weird right?

Again, I don’t ā€œblameā€ these women for this. I mean, in that lower middle class setting, did they have much of a choice: weak, unsure, or nerdy young men versus strong low lives and criminals?

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Think I’ll join a gang now

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You should. You have mad fighting skills.

I have to go work. I’ll come back to this.

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*Bad fighting skills

That’s not the word on the street.

I do see your point. I do suppose that a man who is attractive, has confidence and has what appears to be the ability to ā€œtake careā€ of a woman would be more attractive to women. So yeah, maybe they do get laid more. However, I also believe that the type of woman that you are talking about plays a role. There are women who are specifically looking for a man’s man who looks the part and will provide a certain kind of life. Those are the women who will pursue a man like that. Women who are looking for a good partner aren’t necessarily interested in that kind of man. Also, I don’t put too much stock in the views of a man from the perspective of a teenage girl. Speaking as a former teenage girl, we are dumb. You have nothing else to go on except, he is hot. I believe this is the same with teenage boys. Very few are looking at the less attractive girls thinking they would probably make good wives. They look at the hot girl and wish they could get her.
Also I don’t think you have enough life experience to know where you sit on the attractive scale. For the person of average means, people tend to end up with people of a similar level of attractive. 9s marry 9s 8s marry 8s etc. As you get a bit older, you figure out where you are and find a mate that matches you. This is completely blown out of the water when you add someone with exorbitant amounts of money. That changes the scale in their favor.

This does change things as well. The lower your socioeconomic status, typically the less options you have.

Of course, this is coming from a 47 year old woman looking back. Perhaps my perspective now gives me different insight than had you asked me when I was 22.

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This is why I have said in the past that I don’t think it is a good idea to marry too young.

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@BrickHead not sure if that answered the question you asked. But I’m at work typing between patients. :joy:

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It did. Thank you.

Are people really still using the term ā€œtoxic masculinityā€?

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It’s a stupid term. I wish people would stop.

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It really is

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