This is false. There are absolutely men who hate women. And a lot of the ones who hate them do have them. And there are absolutely women who hate men. I get so tired of women blaming men and men blaming women. Our societal problems stem from both. We live in a country that is filled with entitlement. Everyone thinks they deserve something just because they exist. I don’t think the problem is that women don’t appreciate men. I think the problem is that people don’t appreciate anything or anyone. Somewhere we lost basic respect for each other. It’s no longer taught or expected. Look at how children behave in school. There is no respect for the teachers. There is no respect for law enforcement. There is no respect for fellow citizens. We have done this to ourselves as a society. Both genders. Fuck, half of the country has no respect for themselves let alone someone else. The only way that I see to fix the problem is to teach appreciation and respect. Not for men and not for women, just for people in general.
I have never once met a man who hates women in any way that could not be solved by having a woman.
They might exist, but ive never seen one.
I can agree with all of this.
Starting with self. Thats (in my opinion) the alpha and omega of all outward behaviors.
I feel for the journey that all of our children will take. None of it is or will be easy. And with the endless hate and blame that we spew at each other it will only get worse.
Come home for a visit with me and I will introduce you.
I’m not going to point at the exception and call it the rule, but there are a lot of men that absolutely destroy women in their own way. As mentioned before- my dad was one of them.
Another guy I knew growing up (once again, exception, not rule) raped, strangled, and burned the body of one woman, committed various assaults on numerous others, and is doing life without parole for aggravated murder of another.
They’re out there. They don’t brag about their behavior, but they are out there.
I hope this proximity of this individual is further away from you than it sounds by this post.
I meant hometown. Not my personal home. My husband adores me and would protect me with his life.
To be fair, I had various male friend groups too. A party group, an intramural group et cetera and loosely based on some mutual interest. A handful of close friends from childhood that I’m still friends with today bridged a few interests. There was a stronger connection and sense of respect for sure.
Women weren’t altogether different for me. I slept around and fucked plenty I would never have considered for anything serious. I’m sure they felt the same. I viewed them as sexual outlets. Just like I viewed some guys as drinking buddies.
I hope they’re all doing well.
Now I shall step down off of my soapbox and say this. I have a deep appreciation for men. I have a husband who is wonderful and loving and kind all while being a man that I believe even you, Andrew would approve of. In addition to my husband, there are many men in my community who have been exceptional examples to my boys for what they can be. I have tremendous respect for those who have served our country. I’ve seen firsthand the sacrifice it requires and the damage it can do. I have no doubt that what we have was built on the backs of men. I just don’t think they were the only ones who were involved. I’m sorry if the far left makes you feel like it’s not ok to be a man. Those of us who are just left of center don’t feel that way. I love men and I love masculinity. I think things would be much easier if people could just admit that regardless of gender, people deserve respect and we are all necessary to make the world go round.
I bolded the above. I’m glad you posted this as it illustrates the alpha designation in the way I use it: a man who an inordinate amount of women want to screw, not necessarily marry (get serious with), although alphas do marry and have “girlfriends” (bullshit construct in most cases). In some cases women don’t mind having such men’s kids with no marriage or much involvement from them or to have them raised by betas.
I once had a manager who was 6’4”, large framed, and socially savvy. He had seven children with numerous women. He was married to the woman he had his first kid with.
We’ve had several alphas on this forum. Yet some posters speak as if such an archetype doesn’t exist.
I know some people think the alpha, beta, and omega designations are stupid or silly, or that alphas don’t exist because of something to do with wolves, when they’re just simple terms for different types of men regarding sex, nothing else.
I do admit most people who discover or turn to red-pill material didn’t do so for good reasons or because they wanted to. Likely hardly any men were thinking, “Yeah, my home life was awesome, I’m proud of myself, my older brothers and dad showed me the ropes, I have cool friends I do awesome shit with, I’m connected to my ethnic/religious community, and I have a woman; l’ll google search ‘how do I find a woman’”.
I personally discovered RP material (some of it is terrible) after I made life adjustments and “self improvement”. Some men have said they had suicidal ideation before discovering RP content and Dr. Robert Glover’s book (not an RP guy), and I believe it. If a man is not homely and has no woman, likely that is only a symptom of other serious issues, which, after being resolved, will have him a woman.
I have a hard time with the alpha designation and the others myself because it’s applied differently across contexts and evokes imagery of some weirdo trying too hard for me. I personally see “alpha” as in charge, but given animal king origination there is a physical element. Like the in the white collar world, executives are often considered “alpha” and even project that way, but 9 out of 10 times their executive protection body guards, generally considered low on the totem pole, would take them for all they’re worth in minutes or even seconds if they wanted to. They don’t because of morals maybe and also layered protections external to the executive himself.
But anyways, I digress.
If Alpha is ease of sex, the best thing to do is just be comfortable imo. Confident in your own skin. Sure there are outward attractants women like and casual stuff may be skewed easier for tall/rich/handsome (subjective) people but an underlying confidence is what gets you laid. Anybody can do it imo.
I would also suggest that women like sex. Just like men do. They like to be wanted and desired, and they like the act itself. Because of the stigma associated with sex for them, they’re often just reserved about it outwardly. Which is why getting a phone number and texting after the party works so well. The 007, a gentlemen never tells approach. And they’ll come back, they feel safe getting banged out while protecting an outwardly projected image. Or I guess maybe apps do this now.
Again there may be some men who catch an immediate eye, just like some women do, but you don’t have to be Brad Pitt or the best in the group even. Granted if Brad Pitt approaches her too and she’s looking you may need to go meet some else though.
So I would challenge this context of alpha as basically just knowing how to hear women and make them comfortable…while being attractive enough to seal the deal.
This, to me, could be “alpha” in its true natural kingdom application. Breeding proclivity and domain. I suppose humans do express these traits. Although more sophisticated than the others we are animals. Musk embodies this. Massive resource pool and lots of breeding with intent to father many children across various mothers, and he is “at the top” in many ways so there’s that.
I think some of this may be regional. I believe many of us are products of our environments. Like growing up in Texas, a very red place especially 40+ years ago, norms were learned absorbed. Boys have a penis, girls a vagina. Most people simply tracked.
So I haven’t been around “conversions” much personally. But I can see where, especially today, moving from cutting off prepubescent penii to not doing that would be a monumental morality shift and new paradigm vs simply debating how to address budget or something in fiscal conservative vs liberal debates of old.
Exactly. If he just finds himself and lives himself with confidence he will get laid. Or find a mate. Especially if he learns to understand how women work instead of telling them how they should, in his opinion.
But this gets spun in to “soft” and “weak”. It isn’t. You’re still the one doing the penetrating after all.
Yes. To all of this.
I really hate the term Alpha (and Beta for that matter) because of its ambiguity - hence I appreciate @BrickHead clarifying it for the thread.
To me, Alpha is toxic masculinity - guys that talk loud, are aggressive, combative, and generally cads - in other words, me when I was younger.
Some guys grow up and become softer and gentler, and DGAF what others think, Alphas want to classify them as Beta cucks.
But I, being ND, consider myself a Sigma.
Most guys do it just because they want to get laid more, I dont think theres much more to it than that. You can list a string of “whys” (bad home life, low self esteem, no dad, etc…) but really at the end of the day thats it… They want to be with women, and eventually one good woman
The manosphere of today is quite a different beast than it was 20 years ago on the nascent internet… Where the advice basically boiled down to “ Get over your fear of approaching, be funny, confident, unique and build a life someone would be interested in being a part of”
Which is kind of like… duh, no shit type of stuff but it doesnt come naturally to lots of guys (which makes sense… theyre basically telling people who dont have certain qualities to just have them). There was a little bit of “game” thrown in there (tricks or “hacks” to start conversations or whatever) but the vast majority of it was literally just “be a high quality guy”
Much higher up in the thread I think we discussed this type of stuff and I think thats why some guys that would, on paper, seem horrible to us (on the extreme end of things we have the the criminal, low life types) have such outsized success is because - despite being pieces of shit - they have that aspect of the game naturally, and apparently its SO desirable that it overrides the negatives of the persons behavior.
Should we maybe be questioning the quality of woman who desires this male? Cause I can tell you from my perspective, criminal behavior and such is a no go regardless of how confident you are.
Certainly. The post was getting a bit long so some detail was left out
And up above I noted as much in my life (none of the women I know, or have ever known, have shacked up with such a guy short or long term)
I didnt mean it as some universal rule, just used it as a stark and extreme example of a guy who, on paper, shouldnt be attractive at all (“Hey do you want to date my unemployable criminal friend fresh out of jail?”) but still somehow find a way to get what most guys at a certain stage in their life are after, even if it isnt in the same dating pool most of us are swimming in.
That’s fair. I’ve known a couple of guys who have ended up with women and it absolutely blew my mind. Somehow these guys managed to find women to support them while they are absolutely useless. The two that are coming to mind have aged out of being good looking enough to get away with it. Now one lives alone and the other lives with is mother as a 50 year old man. So I suppose they can get women, but mostly I don’t think they can keep them.
I know of quite a few. I also know lurid details about what some had done to them very young by such men.
Are there any common characteristics amongst them you’ve noticed?
Characteristics of the women?