Before I delve into this topic I think I need clarification. Are these things that you believe women are primarily guilty of, or do you find these things to be present in both genders and we are only referring it in reference to women because that is the conversation at hand? I want to know which conversation I am having.
Good question. In the way I loosely use the terms, is that a beta is not a beta because he married, but rather that he is not a man who is especially sexually attractive to many women, is more willing to commit to a woman (not as if he has so many options anyway), and practically speaking, is āhusband materialā.
Alpha men do marry. Some have been and are here, on this board, men who attract or attracted many women and chose to marry, but if were unmarried or separated, would have no problems attracting new women.
I donāt know how to classify myself with these terms. I have attracted some women, and sex happened rather quickly in some cases, but I am not high-status, powerful, or gorgeous. Probably an accurate description would be middle class and moderately attractive, physically and socially (I donāt go by the lookism nonsense pushed by the manospherians). And my wife has always been attracted to me. Practically speaking, I believe I am husband material because I am dedicated to my family (includes in-laws, who I believe I have more contact with than most), interested in my childrenās well being, am responsible, and I know my shortcomings, which I try to work on.
I donāt think women are guilty of having an array of sexual options which average men donāt. I mean, thatās just how it is naturally. That would be like saying men are guilty for being taller and more muscular. I also do not think women (or men) are guilty of being duped. Thatās akin to blaming a victim. What I am inquiring about is the lack of psychological acuity, OR knowing whatās wrong with a man, but not disassociating, especially not doing so if there is no marriage.
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I donāt know that it is a female trait. I personally find myself to be a person who is a fairly good judge of character of both men and women. My husband has several friends who married women who were obvious (to me) poor choices but it took a few years for them to figure it out. If you gave my brother 49 normal women and 1 psycho to pick from 10/10 he is picking the psycho. I think that sometimes people see what they want to see until that is no longer an option and reality finally breaks thorough. Then comes the shock of āhe/ she was never like this beforeā.
There is also the case of self esteem to consider. Some women (and men) are perfectly aware of who they are dealing with, they just donāt think the deserve or can get anyone better. Or maybe that is what their parents had. āI know he smacks me around, but dad always did that to mom. Thatās just what marriage isā.
As far as beta men go I donāt know that I agree with that in most cases. Physically speaking, my husband is a carbon copy of most of the men that I have ever dated. (I, like many people, have a type.) He is every bit as attractive (if not more so) than any man I previously dated and I in no way feel that I settled for him because he was āhusband materialā. He was simply the person who I enjoyed being with both physically and emotionally the most.
As far as being attracted to the āalpha maleā I think thatās just being attracted to someone attractive. Are men more attracted to a 5 because she would make a good wife? Or are they more attracted to a 10?
Iām sure this is something that happens, but infidelity is rarely so simple as āheās just so hot I couldnāt help myselfā. Especially for women.
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Yes, women have no choice in what they do with their body or who they let inside of them (sarcasm).
Mens job is to spread seed far and wide.
Womens job is to find the best seed.
When a man is bad at spreading his seed, he is shamed for it.
When a woman is bad at selecting the best seed, she is shamed for it.
I donāt see the issue
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Before the feminists lose their shitā¦
I think unfettered sexual exploits is bad for both men and women, and society at large.
Neither men nor women should be partaking in casual sex.
Neither men nor women should be making children they do not intend to raise through adulthood.
Neither men nor women should be taking advantage of the opposite sex. Whether it be for sexual opportunity or financial gain. Both are gross.
But women can stop getting a free pass acting as if they had no choice in anything that happened to them. Unless they were literally raped and then chose to keep the baby, they had every fuckin choice.
Ladies: stop letting shitbags cum in you.
Men: stop cumming in money-grubbing whores.
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Why canāt you just lead with that?
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And Iām not a feminist.
Because the duality of protecting women from shitty men, while the opposite is completely ignored, needs to be pointed out. And doing it in a triggering way is the best way to show that weāre programmed to only care about one side of that equation.
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Ah. For the reaction. Kinda what I figured.
Its about the only way to get people to remove their heads from the deepest reaches of their own assholes.
Still, most get uncomfortable breathing anything that isnāt their own odors so they quickly retreat back to the safety of their large intestine.
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You genuinely have a way with words. The older I get the less I see the point of the argument. I have two boys. Hopefully I have raised them to be good men. Preferablynot trying to spread their seed far and wide. I hope they look at me and see a good model for what a wife and mother should be and look for that in a woman. Thatās the best I can do and the most I can hope for. Itās possible that Iām just to overwhelmed with life to care about much else at the moment. Either way, I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts, much to my own surprise.
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Not many people truly care about men anymoreā¦ look at our suicide rates. Sad man
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Honestly, I donāt think anyone has ever cared about men. I think the only thing that has changed is the level of hatred that is deemed acceptable to display towards men, and the amount of institutionalized and social oppression men face today.
I think weāve always been expected to build create and preserve the world; I donāt think we were ever appreciated for it.
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Only as long as weāre useful ā¦ I started a non-profit for veterans and 1st responders and thatās a big part of it. Letting men know they matter
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Most of us want is a little bit of gratitude.
One of the scarcest and most precious things in life is absolutely free to give. And that is asking too much.
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we really are very easy to please and make happy but even that is too muchā¦ itās āneedyā
And I care about women just as muchā¦ itās not easy being a person nowadays
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I think we are to blame for this to a degree. Men in the Anglosphere are overly domesticated, over-civilized, and morally squeamish. Collectively speaking, we are simps. So I donāt totally āblameā women for going for scumbags or violent men or men āwith an edgeā. Itās partly why we arenāt respected and why some of us are incels.
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Not happening in a vacuum. But nobody want to take any responsibility at all so here we are
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I think this is probably the best and truest point that I have seen on this thread. @BrickHead @Andrewgen_Receptors If you are looking for appreciation from the greater world, good luck. I can name 3 men in the whole world who appreciate me and Iām married to one and gave birth to the other two. Iāll keep my two cents out of this thread moving forward, but I think you should find your appreciation in your wives and daughters (or amazing girlfriends). Lack of appreciation for the opposite sex is pretty rampant on both sides of the game. The best any of us can hope for is to find it and show it in our own lives. If you donāt, it might be time to reevaluate.
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I would settle for receiving less resentment for my gender, and less hatred for my typically masculine urges and behaviors.
I am appreciated by my immediate family, a few friends, and a few acquaintances. However, I was specifically discussing gratitude.
Gratitude is in exceedingly short supply. And I donāt mean specifically for me, but for what it is that men do as a whole. I think we arenāt just in low supply of gratitude, rather that we are receiving copious amounts of disrespect and rejection for what we do - all while still providing the very infrastructure that is required for modern day life. In other words: someone spiting you for creating the very means to live in which they are currently berating you from.
I wrote this a little while ago, and it still applies now
The crazy part is that I wrote this in regard to why men and conservatives are generally so hateful and disrespectful towards the left - but it applies almost exactly the same in context of male/female interactions.
I do not see that men are resentful of typically feminine behaviors in women.
But we are in a relationship where hatred flows only one direction. Even men who āhateā women donāt hate them - they just hate that they donāt have one.
I feel for the journey your sons will have to take. My path wasnāt - and isnāt - easy. Theirs will be harder.
The only unconditional love a man can ever get is from their mother, and sometimes not even then.
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