I was raped during both of Obama’s terms…
#Yoursilenceisviolence
Certainly not the guy who is challenging strangers to a fight on an internet forum.
@chris_ottawa @The_Myth
Neither of you guys are losers
That’s not what you said here:
Also Canada is at least as liberal as the US overall. Only certain places like Alberta have a majority of right wingers. You clearly don’t know what you are talking about. I live in an urban area in the capital city with 940,000 people.
That’s an completely absurd statement and does nothing to further your position. You are defending a movement that been taken over by people who you yourself agree are extremist lunatics, if those are the feminist with the most visibility then why would it not be assumed that this is what feminism is about? What am I to assume what feminism is? And based on what? Your story of not needing to rely on a man and so on? The way it looks is not good at all.
Was this ever a common sentiment? If it was, I’m glad I never met the old men who thought like that, really. My grandfathers weren’t like that and I never heard any stories about mean great grandfathers. My uncles, elderly neighbors, my parents’ friends, etc., none of them thought of women like this. If anything, I believe there’s more misogyny and objectification of women now.
If I have it correct, men were actually more chivalrous in the past generally. But maybe it’s something I should read up on or ask about.
I guess you took my grammatical error out of context. I meant specifically that any major city in the US, the entire US being the one that has 10x the population of Canada
With a blackface President? Yeah, not really. The liberalness is these within these “major feminist groups”, and not the actual people (aside from free healthcare). Canada is still racist as hell, even in the major cities. And plenty of women in developed-ass Canada still have the option not to work and be stay at homes because of the absense of feminism. Especially if you’re observing that women can’t be bothered to work in blue collar jobs.
Can’t speak for everybody,and certainly not for all women, but it’s one I’ve seen directly and broadly my whole life. From “ah, she’s just on the fuckin rag…” to “that’s just how women are” and many more iterations of the same dismissive attitude to what was often signs and symptoms of real and serious problems.
Very recently, on the Dr. Oz show:
Relevant segment starts at about 3:25. “Are you sure it’s not a panic attack” from 911, and all of them familiar with the disbelief.
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- There seems to be either a large confusion, or simply different understandings of what people mean when they say “equality” when referring to the sexes. I dont feel like diving into it tonight; but short form:
Discussing women working in an extremely physical field for the sake of equality is a cowards argument. The argument is fair chance. Anything beyond that is up to them to put nuts to butts and prove it.
I’ve been on the receiving end of being young and not given a chance, due to my less than stellar peers, and it is fucking frustrating. But I can always get my boot in the door and bust my ass to prove myself. Feminism, at its core, true value is just getting the foot there.
These radical feminists that keep being brought up are a minority. They’re just the loudest. It comes with my loud generation. Discrimination over the loud words of a few is literally no better than racism.
Just to be clear, I do not identify as a feminist, or some white knight defending their honor. At all. Ive said it a million times, I dont really even like them generally. I just believe in fair chance, under any and all circumstances.
- I dont think drug abuse, or mental disorders is so much a gender based thing. I would go as far as to assume men are more likely to experiment when they’re young, but that’s it. I think all of this is generational/societal. everyone hates their government. Everyone is completely convinced its corrupt, and a stuck choosing sides. Everyone in my mellinial generation is literally just fucking depressed. They all feel underpaid, underappreciated, they still feel like kids screaming trying to reason with their parents, and were 30 or damn close to it. We are softer as a whole. More emotionally in touch (specifically males) than ever before. I can go down town and score any drug of choice I want within 2 stops. Technology has us to a point where it’s easier to communicate daily without ever having to actually expend the social resources to see someone. This allows us much more anonymity in regards to confessing our true thoughts without having to give them a mental proof read. I mean, it’s just a whole fucking mealstrom of unforeseen dystopia. The Gen Z’s after me are probably going to save the world, at the expense of being the most apologetic, soft, and entitled generation yet.
Personally, I relate very little to any of that. I’m self sufficient, and emotionally grounded. But you have to be blind to not be able to see it within my generation.
A bit of a tangent from the sexes, but I think its worth noting.
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@chris_ottawa
To what you said who knows how many posts ago, yes, many Americans sure value profits and the GDP more than child raising.
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The guy is an idiot and I’m not trying to defend him, but that was a very long time ago. One dumb thing that the PM did years ago doesn’t somehow negate the liberal leanings of the general population. The “Progressive Conservative” party, which is the equivalent of the Republican party, is basically center-left. There was a guy named Maxime Bernier who ran for PM in the last election who is essentially the Canadian version of Donald Trump, didn’t get anywhere and his party doesn’t have a single seat in Parliament.
Have you ever been here? Go to Scarborough Town Centre and see if you can even find any white people. Sure there are racists here and there, but it’s not worse than the US.
This sentence doesn’t even make sense. If there was more feminism then women would have no choice but to work?
On the topic of Trudeau, he is a big clown, I don’t know how anyone can take him seriously.
Didn’t his fake eyebrow fall off in public once?
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It might be because from a distance, when the light is just right, he looks kinda like a mid career Mario Lemieux.
Then he opens his mouth and I completely agree with you.
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Sure did.
People were getting fed up with his clownishness and while the first time he was elected it was by a large margin, this last election his popularity was way down. Aside from all sorts of foolish behaviour andnumerous staged photo-ops like him jogging along a waterfront and showing up at a wedding (as though his security would just let him out in public alone), one thing that was really over the top was his trip to India where he was wearing some funky (and super expensive) outfits by an Indian designer and must have posed for thousands of photos just like this:
Indian PM Modi also refused to meet with him.
So now he had some sort of “image makeover” and grew a beard and stopped making public appearances for non-political purposes.
He’s the biggest joke of any politician I have ever heard of. His father might also be Fidel Castro, looks way more like him than Pierre Trudeau.
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I’m sorry, but that you read an article that talked about the radical views of the president of a group identifying as feminists, which clearly noted that the group was losing members as well as government funding due to the extremist views of that president, does not make it incumbent upon me to make personal changes in a direction that will ease your worried mind. For me, as I’ve explained, feminism is an ideology consisting in “the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes.”
I’m not sure what you’re looking for from me here. What ARE you looking for? Do you want me to start a counter-feminist group and loudly decry that which has upset you? Do you want me to declare feminism achieved and finished?
I believe in opportunity and rights for women. That’s it! If there’s no comfort in that for you, you’ll have to find a way to self-soothe.
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But Brick, the thing is, this is what some women want and are good at. That I or your wife wouldn’t be suited to it doesn’t make it less important that women for whom it’s a dream, and one they can hope to obtain, be allowed to pursue it. As you point out, it’s not for most men, either.
And those women don’t do “everything else women do,” they hire people or marry someone more interested in home fires.
I agree with you about the economy and housing prices, etc.
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That sounds about right.
Me and you are opposed to the same thing here, which basically comes down to crazy man-hating lesbians who call themselves feminists. The article is an example of the farthest extremist fringes, but those a bit less extreme are still problematic. I just can’t see why a reasonable person would want to be part of a movement that includes these sorts of people (many other examples can easily be found). I’m looking for some sort of explanation of that as well as what the need is for a feminist movement to exist when things appear to be equal nowadays, and I thought that you as a well-educated self-described feminist could help to make sense of this. But apparently not.
There are female CEO’s though. What’s the issue, that their numbers don’t equal that of men?
How many times a day do you think American men should go publicly on record as being against rape after Trump’s pussy-grabbing comments? What sorts of actions should they take to insure that everyone knows they don’t condone that behavior?
Sure, the difference is that I don’t find them a threat. I don’t believe they have the power to actually castrate all of you. If things really seem to be heating up, I’ll consider acting. I have sons. I don’t want them neutered or disadvantaged.
If you want the feminist movement (which is not the same thing as feminist ideology) ended, go ahead and declare it so. What’s stopping you?
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I think there’s some question that they are taken as seriously as men. Study after study shows preference for male applicants when resumes are identical but for male vs female name. Ethnic names are even more disadvantaged.
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I really wish I was born a woman about 150 years ago when the treatment for hysteria was vibrators and heroin.
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