Men and Women, Women and Men

[chris_ottawa]

@chaoshander

I guess my point being, your view of feminists is strictly that of a radical nature. Yeah. I think they’re scumbags too. However a true feminist simply wants an equal chance .

These “true feminists” seem to have romanticized views of an antiquated movement that has mutated into something like what the article I posted describes. Perhaps separating themselves from the extremists would be a good idea. Like if you believe in the Wahabbist Muslim ideology but feel that beheading infidels and stoning people to death is too extreme, would it make sense to identify as a Wahabbist? Fly with the crows, get shot with the crows.

@chaoshander

They get overlooked in male dominated industries

Not the ones that require a university degree. It’s mostly girls in university here in Canada. There are other countries where it’s even worse, in Jamaica it around 80% female.

I have nothing more to say about the myth, see my last post before this.

[flappinit]

When I was in AUC, they had Royal Marines going through the CQB course at the same time as us. Those guys could drink so fucking much alcohol and keep going…

And then we have the next level - the Aussies. Went to Darwin in 2011 to train the 5th RAR, and those guys are fucking nutjobs.

[chris_ottawa]

It’s not just Canada:

Women are outnumbering men at a record high in universities worldwide - Study...

So who is going to help the men?

I just found that article right now by the way, I was looking for something on Canada but saw this first.

[flappinit]

@chaoshander

@flappinit I just want to say (and I feel like I’ve said this to you before? I work a lot, and DXM was a hell of a drug, so excuse my swiss cheese memory) very rarely do I find someone else that shares an almost offensively nuetral and calm outlook on life. I have to stop myself from liking pretty much every comment you make because that shit gets weird after a while. While I’m a bit more apathetic and borderline sociopathic in my views, I can always rely on you to convey what I’m thinking if I dont get there first.

You’re not apathetic or sociopathic, you’re a realist, and that’s valid. And the best part is, we have fairly dissimilar political views, from what I’ve seen, and I have never had a problem with anything you’ve said, on the contrary, I’m in full agreement with a lot of it, haha. I appreciate you though, man.

[The_Myth]

Okay, let’s all step down to Defcon 1 rather than amping shit up. I know that @chris_ottawa is replying as I write.

Here is the truth - I did insult him in Anna’s log. I did not make fun of Anna. I have a problem with him dominating threads. That is true.

He has been condescending and offensive towards me. Not a big deal because I dealt with it like for like. I have insulted him and encouraged him to stop dominating threads in a negative way - called him a fucktard, etcetera.

He has called me soy boy, implied I’m gay, and wished I was dead.

He is also about one third my age. I should have been better.

@chris_ottawa

Go overdose on heroin again please.

@chris_ottawa

including making fun of a girl I was trying to help that he was making fun of and calling anorexic

@chris_ottawa

He is a piece of shit, and if he dies the next time he overdoses I wouldn’t mind at all.

@chris_ottawa

The guy is a piece of shit, and he just jumps in to argue with me about nothing. He is also a heroin junkie who gets off on making fun of teenage girls, so he is as worthless a person as I can imagine. I have zero sympathy.

@chris_ottawa

Yeah but he’s morally deficient, a 50+ year old man making fun of young girls with issues. He is the lowest of the low.

@chris_ottawa

You are a very sad person.

@chris_ottawa

I’ve seen what you post in your training log, I could throw you down the street.

@chris_ottawa

I’m sure your scrawny dope fiend ass don’t talk like that in real life or you wouldn’t have made it this far.

Lotta shit talking there.

Check my log to see the truth, whether I’m a junkie or not. I’m well educated, make a nice living, and am very comfortable with my journey, including my experiences with addiction. I’ve been very open about those experiences, and will continue to be.

@chris_ottawa

I could throw you down the street.

Bring it. In fact, I’m willing to meet you more than halfway - like Alexandria Bay. We’ll have coffee and a game of darts, and if you want to fight me after that, I’m in. I am a scrawny motherfucker, but scrappy as fuck.

I’d rather just meet in the middle, you misogynistic fuck, lol.

[chaoshander]

@chris_ottawa

Perhaps separating themselves from the extremists would be a good idea.

I completely agree. However that hinders power through numbers, and while radicalism generally always ends poorly; nothing great was ever accomplished by protesting, or casually being not-okay with something. It’s just not my thing to get overly worked up about any aspect of life.

But as long as you understand that there is a distinct line in the sand between feminists, and those fucking bridge trolls that think I’m literally the root of their problem because I have a dick, I can live with it, regardless of where our views split after that. I just think its important just because someone supports feminist views, that you understand that they arent out to take your job or whatever.

@chris_ottawa

Not the ones that require a university degree

I cant speak so much in the degree market. I never even remotely had the chance to go to college until recently, and now i have a pretty damn good job, fairly debt free, and dont see a point personally. Which about sums up my views on most schooling short of trades in the US.

[chaoshander]

Honestly any political views I harbor are fairly new to me. I’ve just always been of the mindset “keep your grubby government hands off my shit” which has only amplified with the vape/gun climate. (2019 was fucking weird) otherwise, I try to keep my mouth shut about leaning views. Mainly because I’m fairly uneducated and apathetic towards it. And by the time I feel as though I have enough firepower to really dive into a subject, the issue is long gone. If you’re talking about general human views though, yeah, I can be a bit all over the place. I believe in fairness and respect to a fault, in most circumstances.

[The_Myth]

@chaoshander

I actually dont know @The_Myth that well. I might hate the dude for all I know. But the junkie comments are just extremely unwarranted regardless of his personality towards you. You can find a way to productively argue, without wishing them death, even if they wont play by the same rules.

Thanks.

I don’t think I’m a junkie, but I might be. I experimented, didn’t turn out well. I’m actually a homeowner, a high school teacher, a father. Both my kids are honor roll students, my daughter finished third in her conference throwing the shot, and I have three graduate degrees.

If that puts a new face on junkie, I’m okay with that.

[chaoshander]

Fair enough. I know Chris can be a bit abrasive, but I think it’s worth not egging him on, which, be honest, you absolutely do at every chance you had here lol.

Then again, not really my fight, and he has definitely popped off with some disrespectful shit, so, I guess that’s your thing to handle how you see fit.

[The_Myth]

@chaoshander

be honest, you absolutely do at every chance you had here lol.

Literally laughed out loud at this, and guilty as fuck. My bad, for sure.

@chaoshander

e has definitely popped off with some disrespectful shit, so, I guess that’s your thing to handle how you see fit.

All good. It’s funny, I actually like him. He is smart as fuck. We disagree on many things, but he’s very bright.

Like I said, def con 1, amping it down.

Cheers.

[SkyzykS]

@chris_ottawa

So who is going to help the men?

They could try helping each other.

The amount of hazing, cattyness, outright hatred, lying, and even a couple of “accidents” I’ve seen in my life has been fucking ridiculous.

As men, we should do better. But the vast majority I’ve run into are greedy, covetous, petty, cowardly pieces of shit.

[The_Myth]

Right on. When I was in rehab we had a men’s group, it was stellar. I went to a meeting one time, all men, different vibe. We (men) really need to get together and share. I know it sounds weird, but being in a group of dudes is very cool.

I’d be willing to do this on Zoom if any one else is interested. It would be pretty simple.

[SOUL_FIGHTER]

@SOUL_FIGHTER

What qualifies as densely populated in your opinion? The slums of Mumbai? I live in a city with almost a million people,

Any major city in the US which has 10X the population, ideally not in an area where women are brought up to be “predisposed” to wanting not to work, or thinking they don’t have to if they get married. Thats the shit that sets equality back.

@chris_ottawa

he cost of living here is high and constantly going up. Also some people have a whole bunch of kids and live off welfare because when you have enough kids it can be more than what they are capable of earning if they worked full time, but that’s another issue.

Yeah, and those people shouldn’t be getting welfare. Those are the grocery store guys you’re talking about.

Having kids on a dual-median income isn’t unrealistic. Most modern households do that, and its def not “rich”

[Voxel]

@chris_ottawa

There were some legitimate grievances in the past, like women not being able to vote or own land, but it really can’t get more equal at this point.

This thread ended up focusing a lot about jobs, and gender ratios. But, there’s other parts of life wherein things are decidedly unequal.

I can go to the health services, and be taken at face-value, meanwhile my sister, a mother that is ten years my senior still finds it beneficial to bring our mother for the added legitimacy it brings when raising genuine health concerns.

I don’t think this is necessarily exclusive to my nation that women aren’t taken as seriously in this context. To be absolutely clear, this isn’t just something that affects my family members. I’ve heard the same problems be raised by friends, coworkers, and seen similar stories shared by online denizens. But for one thing, it certainly isn’t equal. And, something I hope that by persevering with equality will eventually be resolved.

[BrickHead]

@SOUL_FIGHTER

Any major city in the US which has 10X the population, ideally not in an area where women are brought up to be “predisposed” to wanting not to work, or thinking they don’t have to if they get married. Thats the shit that sets equality back.

I guess I’m asking this in a part-joking, part-serious way, for lack of better terms. What is so glamorous or fulfilling about most jobs? That is, most people’s jobs. Much of it is repetitive, boring, and annoying. I’ve worked with nearly all women, many of them very nice, but many of whom seem to be in a near-constant state of agitation!

My mom, as much as I love her to death, call her almost everyday, see her often, and admit I’m sort of a momma’s boy (how could I not be considering what else I’ve disclosed with on this forum, used to come home from her job pissed off and agitated as all hell from working as an ESL teacher in a crowded, difficult NYC neighborhood! Though she isn’t rich, let’s just say she is very comfortable now, enough to take vacations as she pleases and spoil the shit out of my kids and me (which she has). She even paid my wife’s student loan off. So yes, maybe that was the benefit of that hated job. And we would’ve been up shits creek if she didn’t work as kids considering my basket case of a dad.

I really don’t get it. A CEO position is difficult for anyone to obtain and I’d bet hardly anyone has the makeup for it. Attracting a CEO as a mate isn’t easy either. I cannot get around some push for women to get into highly demanding positions while they also have to juggle everything else women do and even take away from her natural feminine strengths.

No, I don’t think all women should be doing nothing but home And child care for an occupation but even if more did I wouldn’t consider it inequality but rather a complimentary occurrence.

[BrickHead]

Regarding economy, no I don’t think it’s so good considering many 18 to 34 year olds can’t afford their own place. And I’m not buying into the notion they all picked worthless degrees.

@The_Myth You’re aware of the times when a home in Levittown was priced at about 10 to 12k right, equal to a years worth of salary. Almost no one can do that now when a home in Long Island is median priced at 440k to 560k.

[pfury]

@BrickHead

I guess I’m asking this in a part-joking, part-serious way, for lack of better terms. What is so glamorous or fulfilling about most jobs?

Uhhhhhh…

@BrickHead

So yes, maybe that was the benefit of that hated job. And we would’ve been up shits creek if she didn’t work as kids considering my basket case of a dad.

What could be more glamorous (subjectively) or fulfilling than providing the best life possible for your children?

Seems like your mom answered your question for you.

[The_Myth]

I bought mine in 2004 for $430K - it’s not a Levitt, has a basement, lol. It’s worth close to $500K now. Not really a great investment, but a roof for my kids. BTW, I moved out two years ago and live on the second floor of a home in Hicksville.

Levitts and Levittown were/are the first subdivision in America. Production line manufactured, I think they built like 17,000 or so to start, and yes, they sold for about a year’s salary in the fifties, mainly to GI’s returning home from WWII.

I remember when I bought my first home in Union City California, near Fremont. The idea was three times your annual salary, or a mortgage payment one third of your monthly.

According to Redfin, the average listed home price in Nassau County is $629K. Suffolk is $549K. Sale prices are a bit less.

So, based on that rough guide, you need to make over $200K to afford a home in Nassau, $183K for Suffolk.

One of my former students just graduated from Cortland as an engineer and got a job with PSEG paying $82K. It’s a lot of money for a 24 year old, but nowhere near enough to buy a home on LI. He lives with mom and dad, saving his money.

LI is a bit of an outlier - but not that much.

@pfury

Seems like your mom answered your question for you.

You may not realize what a battlefield NYC schools are. Yes, she did answer that question, but she is an exceptional woman, not de rigueur by any stretch of the imagination.

My mother is similar. But, they both had to work to put food on the table. I’m a few years older than Brick, but it’s comparable.

I’d love to stay home with my kids, but that ship has sailed, they’re sixteen and fourteen now.

@pfury

What could be more glamorous (subjectively) or fulfilling than providing the best life possible for your children?

It’s not glamorous at all, it’s hard fucking work. And, to hold down a demanding job, like teaching in NYC while doing it, is a phenomenal accomplishment. Brick knows that and it’s why he talks to her daily. My mom is eighty and I live three thousand miles away from her, but I talk to her via phone or email weekly, and see her twice a year, at least.

No real point in this rant, my bad.

[pfury]

@The_Myth

You may not realize what a battlefield NYC schools are. Yes, she did answer that question, but she is an exceptional woman, not de rigueur by any stretch of the imagination.

All school systems are a battlefield. My mother has worked in the after school system my entire life, and currently works in my metro with the failing schools to get them into trade programs.

Not in any way knocking Bricks mom, nor I really understand the point you were trying to make

@The_Myth

My mother is similar. But, they both had to work to put food on the table. I’m a few years older than Brick, but it’s comparable.

And huge props to her. Sounds very fulfilling to provide the best life possible for your children. Me and the wife work towards that every day

@The_Myth

It’s not glamorous at all, it’s hard fucking work

This is why I put subjectively in my comment. I’d call what your (and bricks mom) did glamorous. Not Hollywood glamorous, but imo that’s nowhere near the only use of the word.

Happy to agree to disagree.

[The_Myth]

@pfury

Happy to agree to disagree.

Nah bro, we agree. It’s just a different type of glamorous.