[quote]LoRez wrote:
Which, again, comes back to the part where it’s really the patients responsibility for their own health.[/quote]
This.
However, as has been batted back and forth here, some patients just don’t seem to give a shit.
I prefer to look out for and educate those who have a clue. Not be a mommy for them, just guide them in the right direction.
There will always be lost causes.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Nobody’s going to fault a doctor for prescribing an antacid for a patient complaining of heartburn… even if the cause is actually too little acid. There are lots of competing pressures on doctors just like there are on everyone else.
.[/quote]
I would at least question it. Why not attack the root cause or issue first, then if all else fails go the antacid direction, rather than the other way around.
I had a female senior client that I worked with, she suffered digestive issues for years and had seen numerous doctors for the issue, all they ever did was prescribe meds. In talking to her I don’t recall there ever being in depth talk about her diet with her, much less a talk about at least eliminating certain foods.
Some will scoff at this statement per our previous “Wheat Belly” talks on the nutrition forum, but I suggested she read that book. Within 3 weeks she came to me and said, “you changed my life”… I of course said it wasn’t me, rather the book, in that little time she saw her IBS all but disappear and within 6 weeks noticed vast improvement in her GERD.
ran across this today
I’ve had 2 sensitive conversations with my dad about the 2 statin drugs he’s on.
In his eyes, his doctor is a god.
I tried explaining to my dad the truths about cholesterol, but he won’t budge. I told him my numbers are all normal even though I eat a lot of eggs and fatty red meat. His reply: “Looks like you don’t have the bad gene.”
I gave up trying to change him. Though I worry about him.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Nobody’s going to fault a doctor for prescribing an antacid for a patient complaining of heartburn… even if the cause is actually too little acid. There are lots of competing pressures on doctors just like there are on everyone else.
.[/quote]
I would at least question it. Why not attack the root cause or issue first, then if all else fails go the antacid direction, rather than the other way around.
I had a female senior client that I worked with, she suffered digestive issues for years and had seen numerous doctors for the issue, all they ever did was prescribe meds. In talking to her I don’t recall there ever being in depth talk about her diet with her, much less a talk about at least eliminating certain foods.
Some will scoff at this statement per our previous “Wheat Belly” talks on the nutrition forum, but I suggested she read that book. Within 3 weeks she came to me and said, “you changed my life”… I of course said it wasn’t me, rather the book, in that little time she saw her IBS all but disappear and within 6 weeks noticed vast improvement in her GERD.[/quote]
Sorry… when I said “nobody” I pretty much meant “no other doctor-peer”. That decision is well within expected standards for treating those symptoms.
An ENT (otolaryngologist) treating me for chronic sinus congestion prescribed me both pepcid and prilosec on the hypothesis that “silent GERD” is aggravating the problem. Never tested me for insufficient acid, just stuck with the standard meds. However, orange juice calms my stomach and reduces morning nausea, so I didn’t quite buy into it. ACV also seems to help whenever I get anything resembling heatburn. So I’m currently experimenting with HCL tablets for a couple weeks.
(On the same visit, I was also prescribed an antihistamine, and nasal steroid, and saline rinse… trying to kill one bird with 7 stones)
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I can’t stand it that almost every young person and kid I know is on some fucking ADHD-type of medication.
[/quote]
My honest take on that is what the hell do you expect kids to act like when our news programs contain 3 separate lines of news going at the same time and video games allow faster relation to random moving objects? My little cousin plays Call of Duty and makes videos on youtube showing other kids how to play. His reaction time to the things on screen is ridiculous. You can only get that quick at something like that at the age of 13 by literally growing up with it.
In effect, we have trained kids to have milli-second attention spans.[/quote]
True without the ability to communicate effectively.
[/quote]
My cousin is a freak. I swear most kids don’t process things like that until college. I think his youtube handle is “Techbeast”.
I agree that most will have trouble with communication…and as a result, human communication may change drastically over time. I don’t necessarily see that as bad in the long run…but right now…it just seems to make more overly educated random idiots who can recite way more than they actually know.[/quote]
I went back and edited cause I meant verbally. I have hired a lot of young kids with talent however they lacked the ability to really articulate themselves with older generation or people in supervisor positions.
Tech savy youth are awesome just dont ask them to speak. [/quote]
I’m afraid that I am a perfect example of this. I have type probably 10x more words than I have spoken, having grown up with computer games and IM systems.
And I still don’t type well…
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’ve had 2 sensitive conversations with my dad about the 2 statin drugs he’s on.
In his eyes, his doctor is a god.
I tried explaining to my dad the truths about cholesterol, but he won’t budge. I told him my numbers are all normal even though I eat a lot of eggs and fatty red meat. His reply: “Looks like you don’t have the bad gene.”
I gave up trying to change him. Though I worry about him.
[/quote]
I hear ya man, but according to some on this thread we’re both wrong and out of line.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
anyone else think that prescription drugs shouldn’t be allowed to be advertised on TV?
[/quote]
I’m just confused as to why they are advertised in the first place. It’s not like you can run out and buy tons of it on your own. I guess it’s working though…
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Nobody’s going to fault a doctor for prescribing an antacid for a patient complaining of heartburn… even if the cause is actually too little acid. There are lots of competing pressures on doctors just like there are on everyone else.
.[/quote]
I would at least question it. Why not attack the root cause or issue first, then if all else fails go the antacid direction, rather than the other way around.
I had a female senior client that I worked with, she suffered digestive issues for years and had seen numerous doctors for the issue, all they ever did was prescribe meds. In talking to her I don’t recall there ever being in depth talk about her diet with her, much less a talk about at least eliminating certain foods.
Some will scoff at this statement per our previous “Wheat Belly” talks on the nutrition forum, but I suggested she read that book. Within 3 weeks she came to me and said, “you changed my life”… I of course said it wasn’t me, rather the book, in that little time she saw her IBS all but disappear and within 6 weeks noticed vast improvement in her GERD.[/quote]
Sorry… when I said “nobody” I pretty much meant “no other doctor-peer”. That decision is well within expected standards for treating those symptoms.
[/quote]
I hear ya, just IMO that speaks volumes to one of the underlying issues with the system. Then again, I realize it’s not just the medical system at fault. Patients that want a quick fix as mentioned.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’ve had 2 sensitive conversations with my dad about the 2 statin drugs he’s on.
In his eyes, his doctor is a god.
I tried explaining to my dad the truths about cholesterol, but he won’t budge. I told him my numbers are all normal even though I eat a lot of eggs and fatty red meat. His reply: “Looks like you don’t have the bad gene.”
I gave up trying to change him. Though I worry about him.
[/quote]
I hear ya man, but according to some on this thread we’re both wrong and out of line.[/quote]
Can you get PMs? I just sent you one, but I doubt it went through.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’ve had 2 sensitive conversations with my dad about the 2 statin drugs he’s on.
In his eyes, his doctor is a god.
I tried explaining to my dad the truths about cholesterol, but he won’t budge. I told him my numbers are all normal even though I eat a lot of eggs and fatty red meat. His reply: “Looks like you don’t have the bad gene.”
I gave up trying to change him. Though I worry about him.
[/quote]
I hear ya man, but according to some on this thread we’re both wrong and out of line.[/quote]
It’s never out of line when it’s in the best interest of a loved one.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’ve had 2 sensitive conversations with my dad about the 2 statin drugs he’s on.
In his eyes, his doctor is a god.
I tried explaining to my dad the truths about cholesterol, but he won’t budge. I told him my numbers are all normal even though I eat a lot of eggs and fatty red meat. His reply: “Looks like you don’t have the bad gene.”
I gave up trying to change him. Though I worry about him.
[/quote]
Yeah, that’s a losing battle. My dad has had 2 heart attacks, colon cancer, and type 2 diabetes. He tells me I have to be careful because I have the genes for all these conditions. When I tell him he can reverse his diabetes with proper diet and exercise, he laughs at me. I should also probably mention my dad eats like shit and drinks like a fish. The only vice he gave up after nearly dying several times was smoking.
It’s pretty much the same as when some one asks you how to lose weight and get in shape, and you tell them how, and they tell you they tried that and it doesn’t work. People need to find their own solutions to their own problems. The people that are serious about solutions will research and learn on their own. Those who don’t just ask someone they know.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I see your point, however being stupid is one thing, being manipulated on a subconscious level is another, in my opinion anwyays,[/quote]
No, we agree here.
I just feel it is more impowering to everyone to educate people on how they may or may not be manipulated, than continue to enable bad choices by just regulating away what we feel is bad.
One option gives people power in the way of information. The other wipes their ass and allows them to continue blindly dependant upon the collective.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’m tired of some people bashing government as if it’s ALL bad.
Damn right I want some regulation - especially in the food industry.
[/quote]
No, not all government is bad, roads, cops, teachers and temporary assitance are good.
I will say it again:
I just feel it is more impowering to everyone to educate people on how they may or may not be manipulated, than continue to enable bad choices by just regulating away what we feel is bad.
One option gives people power in the way of information. The other wipes their ass and allows them to continue blindly dependant upon the collective.
Your idea isn’t actually helping anyone. You can lead a man to water and explain why he needs to drink, or you can strap him down, pour the water in his mouth and expect to have to show him how to piss later too.
Your call.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’m tired of some people bashing government as if it’s ALL bad.
[/quote]
I’m tired of some people asking for more government as if it is your friend.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’m tired of some people bashing government as if it’s ALL bad.
Damn right I want some regulation - especially in the food industry.
[/quote]
No, not all government is bad, roads, cops, teachers and temporary assitance are good.
I will say it again:
I just feel it is more impowering to everyone to educate people on how they may or may not be manipulated, than continue to enable bad choices by just regulating away what we feel is bad.
One option gives people power in the way of information. The other wipes their ass and allows them to continue blindly dependant upon the collective.
Your idea isn’t actually helping anyone. You can lead a man to water and explain why he needs to drink, or you can strap him down, pour the water in his mouth and expect to have to show him how to piss later too.
Your call.[/quote]
That can be turned around just as easily.
Watch several hours of TV per night and you’;ll see what I mean.
Information is only as good as the platform it sits on allows. There’s no platform for it on primetime. It’s ALL pharm/drug commercials, and crap food commercials. The public isn’t aware of much else in this instance. Why? Because there’s no profit in educating the public that a good diet and exercise could be the cure to what ails them.
Regulate to level the field. Remove the items that misinform the public that there’s only ONE way to feel better… “ask your doctor.”
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’m tired of some people bashing government as if it’s ALL bad.
[/quote]
I’m tired of some people asking for more government as if it is your friend.[/quote]
Not MORE government. Just the CORRECT government.
The things that benefit the commons. Clean air, water, safe food, etc.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’ve had 2 sensitive conversations with my dad about the 2 statin drugs he’s on.
In his eyes, his doctor is a god.
I tried explaining to my dad the truths about cholesterol, but he won’t budge. I told him my numbers are all normal even though I eat a lot of eggs and fatty red meat. His reply: “Looks like you don’t have the bad gene.”
I gave up trying to change him. Though I worry about him.
[/quote]
I hear ya man, but according to some on this thread we’re both wrong and out of line.[/quote]
Can you get PMs? I just sent you one, but I doubt it went through.
[/quote]
No, I can no longer send/receive them, nor can I post in the LiveSpill . I have your email addy from a while back I’ll shoot you one.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’m tired of some people bashing government as if it’s ALL bad.
Damn right I want some regulation - especially in the food industry.
[/quote]
No, not all government is bad, roads, cops, teachers and temporary assitance are good.
I will say it again:
I just feel it is more impowering to everyone to educate people on how they may or may not be manipulated, than continue to enable bad choices by just regulating away what we feel is bad.
One option gives people power in the way of information. The other wipes their ass and allows them to continue blindly dependant upon the collective.
Your idea isn’t actually helping anyone. You can lead a man to water and explain why he needs to drink, or you can strap him down, pour the water in his mouth and expect to have to show him how to piss later too.
Your call.[/quote]
That can be turned around just as easily.
Watch several hours of TV per night and you’;ll see what I mean.
Information is only as good as the platform it sits on allows. There’s no platform for it on primetime. It’s ALL pharm/drug commercials, and crap food commercials. The public isn’t aware of much else in this instance. Why? Because there’s no profit in educating the public that a good diet and exercise could be the cure to what ails them.
Regulate to level the field. Remove the items that misinform the public that there’s only ONE way to feel better… “ask your doctor.”
[/quote]
I hear ya. And as the other person above just commented about his Dad, many people and many doctors think diabetes T2 anyways can’t be reversed. Imagine all the other bad beliefs people still hold onto.
The vast majority feels Alzheimer’s and cancer are either mainly natural or genetic, and that diet/exercise can’t greatly impact them as far as prevention.
Heck, even a poster in this thread earlier, maybe Derek, maybe not can’t recall, joked about how I think many diseases could be prevented through diet/exercise.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Information is only as good as the platform it sits on allows. There’s no platform for it on primetime. It’s ALL pharm/drug commercials, and crap food commercials. The public isn’t aware of much else in this instance. Why? Because there’s no profit in educating the public that a good diet and exercise could be the cure to what ails them.
Regulate to level the field. Remove the items that misinform the public that there’s only ONE way to feel better… “ask your doctor.”[/quote]
The other route is to educate the doctors better with respect to some of these issues. Most med schools don’t even cover the topic of nutrition (“that’s what nutritionists are for” – direct quote from my pediatrician girlfriend, esp in the hospital setting). Most doctors really only know the typical regurgitated “diet and exercise” and “do more cardio to lose weight” knowledge. They’re about as ignorant on the subjects of nutrition and exercise as most people when they join these forums.
I’m talking about the MD degree. I believe DO’s are educated a bit better in that regard.
If you “ask your doctor” and your doctor says “actually, you’d be better off doing this instead”, we’d be a lot further along.