In case anyone is a nerd with this stuff like me
http://www.documentarywire.com/nutrition-behavior-by-dr-russell-blaylock
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I can’t stand it that almost every young person and kid I know is on some fucking ADHD-type of medication.
[/quote]
My honest take on that is what the hell do you expect kids to act like when our news programs contain 3 separate lines of news going at the same time and video games allow faster relation to random moving objects? My little cousin plays Call of Duty and makes videos on youtube showing other kids how to play. His reaction time to the things on screen is ridiculous. You can only get that quick at something like that at the age of 13 by literally growing up with it.
In effect, we have trained kids to have milli-second attention spans.[/quote]
Most of the hardcore CoD players do this. It’s pretty crazy. They get pvr’s and record all of their playing and then upload them to youtube. They have tutorials and they also have highlight reels to show really great kills and what not.
The level of involvement they have with the games and the community of gamers is nice to see in people so young. Too bad it seems to be all for nothing and most of said kids are lazy as fuck and don’t do anything but play videogames. There is some untapped talent or skill in there somewhere with these kids.
haven’t had a chance to watch this one yet http://www.documentarywire.com/the-drugging-of-our-children
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
In case anyone is a nerd with this stuff like me
http://www.documentarywire.com/nutrition-behavior-by-dr-russell-blaylock[/quote]
Not surprising.
If the food we eat has a direct effect on hormones, of course behavior, among other things, would be subject to react - good or bad.
I see it in the kids at the music school my wife works at. The worst offender there (a 12 year old) literally lives on rice and chicken nuggets.
anyone else think that prescription drugs shouldn’t be allowed to be advertised on TV?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
The worst offender there (a 12 year old) literally lives on rice and chicken nuggets.
[/quote]
maybe it fits his macros LOL
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
anyone else think that prescription drugs shouldn’t be allowed to be advertised on TV?
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<— raises hand
If cigarettes have been banned from tv, then so should prescription drugs.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
anyone else think that prescription drugs shouldn’t be allowed to be advertised on TV?
[/quote]
<— raises hand
If cigarettes have been banned from tv, then so should prescription drugs. [/quote]
Why stop there?
Lets have the government ban McDonalds and Video Game ads. Lets make sure they get rid of product placement in movies and TV as well. Bad food and inactivity are bad.
Cars are bad for the environment, get those shits off the TV. Truck? No brainer…
I was thinking, ads for tourism make poor people feel bad, we shoudl stop those.
The show Jersey Shore, promotes behavior that is immoral, ban the shit out of Snookie.
Sugar Smacks, PopTarts, awful breakfast choices, see ya.
Guns are bad mkay, so lets get rid off all the programing on that. Pawn Stars buys guns all the time, and any war documentary promotes violence. Get it off the screen.
Also, crazy people dye their hair red and slaughter people calling themselves the Joker: the following things should be banned: all offensive movies, hair dye commercials and Oreo cookies.
You know, there are some pretty offensive books out there. We should get a list together, and get rid of them somehow… Oh I know, we can burn them.
What? I’m trying to save people here.
for Kakno regarding statins
"The only large clinical trial looking exclusively at the effect of statins on people over the age of 70 provides clear evidence for avoiding these drugs for use in primary prevention of cardiovascular disease in older people who have not had a previous heart attack, stroke, angina, or other cardiovascular diseases or family history. Five thousand eight hundred and four people aged 70 through 82 were randomized to get a statin or a placebo and were followed for an average of 3.2 years. For the more than 3,200 people in this study without prior cardiovascular disease, the statin had no beneficial effect in preventing subsequent cardiovascular disease. There was, however, a significant 25% increased amount of cancer in those getting the statin, particularly gastrointestinal cancers, the cancer predicted in the animal studies of these drugs (see below). The increase was larger the greater the number of years the drug was being used. No other study analyzing cancer exclusively in large numbers of older patients getting statins has refuted this finding of increased gastrointestinal cancer.5
In summary, people over 70 using statins for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease have no benefit, compared to a placebo, but an increased risk of muscle damage (rhabdomyolysis), liver damage, and, as found in the study described above, an increased risk of cancer. It needs to be emphasized, however, that for those over 70 who have had previous cardiovascular disease, the use of statins may be beneficial."
Hall KM, Luepker RV. Is hypercholesterolemia a risk factor and should it be treated in the elderly?. American Journal of Health Promotion Jul 2000; 14: 347 - 356.
Advertising works. Study groups prove this constantly.
When a consumer feels the “need” to access an item due to constant touting by the marketer, that item becomes a “necessary” market - good or bad.
In the case of pharmaceuticals, constant touting of a particular med can cause a consumer to self-diagnose… even though they may only experience a slight or infrequent symptom. The commercials always end with “ask your doctor”. This initiates a string of events that started with a tiny symptom (often unrelated to the disorder that the drug is touted to treat), and ends with seeing the doctor and getting on the med.
How many people are really insomniacs? Suffer true clinical depression? So many people I know carry around a fucking bottle of Tylenol.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I can’t stand it that almost every young person and kid I know is on some fucking ADHD-type of medication.
[/quote]
My honest take on that is what the hell do you expect kids to act like when our news programs contain 3 separate lines of news going at the same time and video games allow faster relation to random moving objects? My little cousin plays Call of Duty and makes videos on youtube showing other kids how to play. His reaction time to the things on screen is ridiculous. You can only get that quick at something like that at the age of 13 by literally growing up with it.
In effect, we have trained kids to have milli-second attention spans.[/quote]
A friend of mine is now happy her son is on ADHD medicine, she said he’s finally starting to do better in school. Pre-diagnosis he never sat down or paid attention to anything BUT he did pay attention to video games. At 10 he will sit and watch intensely for hour a youtube of someone playing then go beat it himself… My only issue is he didn’t need ADHD to concentrate on video games, seems like the prescription is not for him but for the mother’s lack of desire to not spoil him.
Jehova
I understand your argument but I’m not sure you understand the people your training. How many of them have done their training routine for longer than 3 months? How many of their routines will only help if they STICK to it for several months? Doctors don’t always have that luxury. I’ve seen vitamin D, better diets and exercise help people, then they get tired of it and their health fades also. I’ve seen the same people complain and not understand why they are feeling like shit again, even though they didn’t have those problems while taking their vitamins, eating a better diet, and following exercise. Again a doctor can’t afford for this person not to have a magic pill that they don’t have to question some Dr. Oz nut to make them feel better. It can end up with that person having a stroke or worse.
Lastly YOU ARE NOT a doctor. You can be more dangerous then them. No offense, I believe in many of the things you do but the interactions of what you suggest with medicines elderly people take can be harmful if not deadly. I hate to tell you but too many eggs DO cause dangerous levels of cholesterol in people who sit on their ass all day and already have high cholestory. I’ve seen Dr. Oz fans prescribe fish oil to people with heart issues, most Doctors know this can be harmful. The same with Vitamin D. Statins may be the worst drug in the world but it’s still has a quicker result than anything you’ve suggested. A 70 y/o who has watched golden girls reruns while eating muffins for 8 hours a day the last 30 years can’t afford to miss the short term effects of statins.
Unfortunately we live in a short cut world prescriptions are necessary
Need to spoil your kids - Give the kids Ritalin.
Workaholic who skips meals - Take a Xanax
Social Drinker 4 hours every night - ACE inhibitor.
Don’t have time to spend with your kids - Prozac
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Advertising works. Study groups prove this constantly.
When a consumer feels the “need” to access an item due to constant touting by the marketer, that item becomes a “necessary” market - good or bad.
In the case of pharmaceuticals, constant touting of a particular med can cause a consumer to self-diagnose… even though they may only experience a slight or infrequent symptom. The commercials always end with “ask your doctor”. This initiates a string of events that started with a tiny symptom (often unrelated to the disorder that the drug is touted to treat), and ends with seeing the doctor and getting on the med.
How many people are really insomniacs? Suffer true clinical depression? So many people I know carry around a fucking bottle of Tylenol. [/quote]
A good doctor doesn’t let people diagnose themselves, though. At the end of the day, diagnoses and prescribing decisions should come down to the clinical judgement of the doctor. And any doctor worth his salt should be able to see through a patient exaggerating or fabricating their symptoms. Unless we’re dealing with full-on Munchausen’s.
[quote]Consul wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Advertising works. Study groups prove this constantly.
When a consumer feels the “need” to access an item due to constant touting by the marketer, that item becomes a “necessary” market - good or bad.
In the case of pharmaceuticals, constant touting of a particular med can cause a consumer to self-diagnose… even though they may only experience a slight or infrequent symptom. The commercials always end with “ask your doctor”. This initiates a string of events that started with a tiny symptom (often unrelated to the disorder that the drug is touted to treat), and ends with seeing the doctor and getting on the med.
How many people are really insomniacs? Suffer true clinical depression? So many people I know carry around a fucking bottle of Tylenol. [/quote]
A good doctor doesn’t let people diagnose themselves, though. At the end of the day, diagnosises and prescribing decisions should come down to the clinical judgement of the doctor.[/quote]
True. Based on what the patient TELLS them.
I have my own experiences, and these doctors’ prescriptions were so off-base and off-putting that I switched doctors and have barely gone since.
Same with the dentist.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Consul wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Advertising works. Study groups prove this constantly.
When a consumer feels the “need” to access an item due to constant touting by the marketer, that item becomes a “necessary” market - good or bad.
In the case of pharmaceuticals, constant touting of a particular med can cause a consumer to self-diagnose… even though they may only experience a slight or infrequent symptom. The commercials always end with “ask your doctor”. This initiates a string of events that started with a tiny symptom (often unrelated to the disorder that the drug is touted to treat), and ends with seeing the doctor and getting on the med.
How many people are really insomniacs? Suffer true clinical depression? So many people I know carry around a fucking bottle of Tylenol. [/quote]
A good doctor doesn’t let people diagnose themselves, though. At the end of the day, diagnosises and prescribing decisions should come down to the clinical judgement of the doctor.[/quote]
True. Based on what the patient TELLS them.
I have my own experiences, and these doctors’ prescriptions were so off-base and off-putting that I switched doctors and have barely gone since.
Same with the dentist.[/quote]
Yeah, sorry, I edited my post.
I do agree with your observations. Some doctors just give the patient what they want.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Advertising works. Study groups prove this constantly.
When a consumer feels the “need” to access an item due to constant touting by the marketer, that item becomes a “necessary” market - good or bad.
In the case of pharmaceuticals, constant touting of a particular med can cause a consumer to self-diagnose… even though they may only experience a slight or infrequent symptom. The commercials always end with “ask your doctor”. This initiates a string of events that started with a tiny symptom (often unrelated to the disorder that the drug is touted to treat), and ends with seeing the doctor and getting on the med.
How many people are really insomniacs? Suffer true clinical depression? So many people I know carry around a fucking bottle of Tylenol. [/quote]
You know what else people do that is stupid? Run up debt they can’t sustain.
We should ban the purchase of personal property too.
Drugs are super bad, look how well the current regulations keep them out of people’s hands… Last I checked they don’t have Crack commercials on TV. Next on the Oxy Network, we get high with local dealer 65…
Look, some people aren’t hard wired for survival. It isn’t the ever expanding government’s job to be our mommies and daddies.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Advertising works. Study groups prove this constantly.
When a consumer feels the “need” to access an item due to constant touting by the marketer, that item becomes a “necessary” market - good or bad.
In the case of pharmaceuticals, constant touting of a particular med can cause a consumer to self-diagnose… even though they may only experience a slight or infrequent symptom. The commercials always end with “ask your doctor”. This initiates a string of events that started with a tiny symptom (often unrelated to the disorder that the drug is touted to treat), and ends with seeing the doctor and getting on the med.
How many people are really insomniacs? Suffer true clinical depression? So many people I know carry around a fucking bottle of Tylenol. [/quote]
You know what else people do that is stupid? Run up debt they can’t sustain.
We should ban the purchase of personal property too.
Drugs are super bad, look how well the current regulations keep them out of people’s hands… Last I checked they don’t have Crack commercials on TV. Next on the Oxy Network, we get high with local dealer 65…
Look, some people aren’t hard wired for survival. It isn’t the ever expanding government’s job to be our mommies and daddies.
[/quote]
Then get rid of cops too.
I’m tired of some people bashing government as if it’s ALL bad.
Damn right I want some regulation - especially in the food industry.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Advertising works. Study groups prove this constantly.
When a consumer feels the “need” to access an item due to constant touting by the marketer, that item becomes a “necessary” market - good or bad.
In the case of pharmaceuticals, constant touting of a particular med can cause a consumer to self-diagnose… even though they may only experience a slight or infrequent symptom. The commercials always end with “ask your doctor”. This initiates a string of events that started with a tiny symptom (often unrelated to the disorder that the drug is touted to treat), and ends with seeing the doctor and getting on the med.
How many people are really insomniacs? Suffer true clinical depression? So many people I know carry around a fucking bottle of Tylenol. [/quote]
if advertising didn’t work companies wouldn’t spend millions to do it. Those that think it’s all innocent and harmless don’t have much clue to human psychology.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Consul wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Advertising works. Study groups prove this constantly.
When a consumer feels the “need” to access an item due to constant touting by the marketer, that item becomes a “necessary” market - good or bad.
In the case of pharmaceuticals, constant touting of a particular med can cause a consumer to self-diagnose… even though they may only experience a slight or infrequent symptom. The commercials always end with “ask your doctor”. This initiates a string of events that started with a tiny symptom (often unrelated to the disorder that the drug is touted to treat), and ends with seeing the doctor and getting on the med.
How many people are really insomniacs? Suffer true clinical depression? So many people I know carry around a fucking bottle of Tylenol. [/quote]
A good doctor doesn’t let people diagnose themselves, though. At the end of the day, diagnosises and prescribing decisions should come down to the clinical judgement of the doctor.[/quote]
True. Based on what the patient TELLS them.
I have my own experiences, and these doctors’ prescriptions were so off-base and off-putting that I switched doctors and have barely gone since.
Same with the dentist.[/quote]
The responsibility for the prescription med usage really does lie with the doctors. A patient can pressure the doctor, but ultimately it’s the Dr’s call. (And the insurance company’s call whether to actually pay for it.)
Cutting off advertising seems to help with some things, but ultimately you just need to cut off access.
Removing cigarette ads and usage from TV helped curb smoking, but not nearly as much as anti-smoking bans in bars and restaurants and most public places. Granted, I still feel weird walking into a smoke-free bar.
With respect to doctors and prescription meds, I think a huge problem is simply that we have really shitty diagnostic techniques (and the good tests are very expensive). It leaves a lot of room for patients to manipulate facts. A patient can’t lie about their height, weight, blood pressure. They shouldn’t be able to lie about their mood, attention span, sleep, diet, exercise either. But we’re not there yet.
There’s also been increased pressure on doctors financially due to insurance companies, which means they end up needing to see more patients per hour as a matter of policy. A doctor can’t measure enough stuff in an office visit, and they don’t really have enough time to be completely thorough, so they tend to just go off what the patient says and prescribe something based on the reported symptoms.
Nobody’s going to fault a doctor for prescribing an antacid for a patient complaining of heartburn… even if the cause is actually too little acid. There are lots of competing pressures on doctors just like there are on everyone else.
Which, again, comes back to the part where it’s really the patients responsibility for their own health.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I can’t stand it that almost every young person and kid I know is on some fucking ADHD-type of medication.
[/quote]
My honest take on that is what the hell do you expect kids to act like when our news programs contain 3 separate lines of news going at the same time and video games allow faster relation to random moving objects? My little cousin plays Call of Duty and makes videos on youtube showing other kids how to play. His reaction time to the things on screen is ridiculous. You can only get that quick at something like that at the age of 13 by literally growing up with it.
In effect, we have trained kids to have milli-second attention spans.[/quote]
A friend of mine is now happy her son is on ADHD medicine, she said he’s finally starting to do better in school. Pre-diagnosis he never sat down or paid attention to anything BUT he did pay attention to video games. At 10 he will sit and watch intensely for hour a youtube of someone playing then go beat it himself… My only issue is he didn’t need ADHD to concentrate on video games, seems like the prescription is not for him but for the mother’s lack of desire to not spoil him.
Jehova
I understand your argument but I’m not sure you understand the people your training. How many of them have done their training routine for longer than 3 months? How many of their routines will only help if they STICK to it for several months? Doctors don’t always have that luxury. I’ve seen vitamin D, better diets and exercise help people, then they get tired of it and their health fades also. I’ve seen the same people complain and not understand why they are feeling like shit again, even though they didn’t have those problems while taking their vitamins, eating a better diet, and following exercise. Again a doctor can’t afford for this person not to have a magic pill that they don’t have to question some Dr. Oz nut to make them feel better. It can end up with that person having a stroke or worse.
Lastly YOU ARE NOT a doctor. You can be more dangerous then them. No offense, I believe in many of the things you do but the interactions of what you suggest with medicines elderly people take can be harmful if not deadly. I hate to tell you but too many eggs DO cause dangerous levels of cholesterol in people who sit on their ass all day and already have high cholestory. I’ve seen Dr. Oz fans prescribe fish oil to people with heart issues, most Doctors know this can be harmful. The same with Vitamin D. Statins may be the worst drug in the world but it’s still has a quicker result than anything you’ve suggested. A 70 y/o who has watched golden girls reruns while eating muffins for 8 hours a day the last 30 years can’t afford to miss the short term effects of statins.
Unfortunately we live in a short cut world prescriptions are necessary
Need to spoil your kids - Give the kids Ritalin.
Workaholic who skips meals - Take a Xanax
Social Drinker 4 hours every night - ACE inhibitor.
Don’t have time to spend with your kids - Prozac
[/quote]
So, you’re telling me a couple whole eggs a day will be worse for someone cholesterol issue or not than a bowl of cheerios, fruit and skim milk?
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/eggs-good-bad
I’m actually curious about this one though as they do see an association of health issues for T@ diabetics Dietary cholesterol and the risk of cardiovascular disease in patients: a review of the Harvard Egg Study and other data - PubMed can anyone shed some light?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Advertising works. Study groups prove this constantly.
When a consumer feels the “need” to access an item due to constant touting by the marketer, that item becomes a “necessary” market - good or bad.
In the case of pharmaceuticals, constant touting of a particular med can cause a consumer to self-diagnose… even though they may only experience a slight or infrequent symptom. The commercials always end with “ask your doctor”. This initiates a string of events that started with a tiny symptom (often unrelated to the disorder that the drug is touted to treat), and ends with seeing the doctor and getting on the med.
How many people are really insomniacs? Suffer true clinical depression? So many people I know carry around a fucking bottle of Tylenol. [/quote]
You know what else people do that is stupid? Run up debt they can’t sustain.
We should ban the purchase of personal property too.
Drugs are super bad, look how well the current regulations keep them out of people’s hands… Last I checked they don’t have Crack commercials on TV. Next on the Oxy Network, we get high with local dealer 65…
Look, some people aren’t hard wired for survival. It isn’t the ever expanding government’s job to be our mommies and daddies.
[/quote]
I see your point, however being stupid is one thing, being manipulated on a subconscious level is another, in my opinion anwyays, I’m sure you’ll show me how I’m wrong 