[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Professor, do you believe that everyone isn’t welcome here or should everyone be welcome?
I’m confused on your stance?
Everyone is welcome?
Everyone is not welcome?
Cheers.[/quote]
I already explained this to you.
Your blatant confusion on everything I write is strange.[/quote]
You said everyone is not welcome. [/quote]
I think the problem is some of you read slowly and type slowly.
I responded to you on page 8 directly.
You seem to miss quite a bit.[/quote]
I know you did but you added extra ramblings onto the end of your answer.
I was attempting to boil a very simple question down and not get a politicians answer from you.
It’s a simple yea and no question.
Either answer is acceptable, you just need to own it.
Here are your quotes, including your answer to me on page 8.
Based on these quotes, you think not everyone should feel welcome here.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Uh…yeah…that is what I am saying.
If “everyone” feels welcome, then “hardcore” doesn’t exist.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Everyone shouldn’t feel welcome to speak on the same level if they do not even train regularly.
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You seem to have a big problem following this stuff.
Everyone shouldn’t feel welcome to speak on the same level if they do not even train regularly…which does happen here often. We have seen it before where some don’t even train at all but love posting what they read as if they do.
I believe that regardless of ethnicity, those numbers are still fairly accurate based on the anecdotal evidence that has been amassed by trainers.[/quote]
What evidence?
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I think that it would take someone truly genetically gifted to reach the limit that Brick has presented. Those are your outliers. And I don’t consider the realm of muscular development to be as dominated by African ethnic groups as other expressions of athleticism, like speed. I think you also the Somoan, Nordic, and other Eastern European groups that can match them in that realm.[/quote]
We are only speaking of genetically gifted people which is why I mentioned being able to build an 18" arm naturally.
This has never been a discussion of what the average person can do.
None of you seem to have any evidence for what you believe…you just like to believe it.
It is fine if you just say that…but to keep talking about “evidence” and to keep dropping names without ever dropping any real facts, it is a little misleading.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Everyone shouldn’t feel welcome
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Thank you for finally answering a question. [/quote]
Oh, I see you accidentally missed the rest.
Here, let me add that for you. Must have been a mistake.
Everyone shouldn’t feel welcome to speak on the same level if they do not even train regularly…which does happen here often. We have seen it before where some don’t even train at all but love posting what they read as if they do.
I wouldn’t know. Could you post it so I could see it for the first time?
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And I don’t believe something because I “like” believing it considering believing something gives me no pleasure. [/quote]
Then how big can the average Samoan get and how much lean body mass can they gain?
What about someone who is half Nigerian and half Caribbean?[/quote]
If they have decent genetics–considering not every Nigerian or Carribean is gifted–then probably 40 to 50 pounds of muscle, perhaps with some outliers capable of gaining a BIT more.
If they have decent genetics–considering not every Nigerian or Carribean is gifted–then probably 40 to 50 pounds of muscle, perhaps with some outliers capable of gaining a BIT more. [/quote]
How would you know how much “only muscle” they gained if they did it?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Everyone shouldn’t feel welcome
[/quote]
Thank you for finally answering a question. [/quote]
Oh, I see you accidentally missed the rest.
Here, let me add that for you. Must have been a mistake.
Everyone shouldn’t feel welcome to speak on the same level if they do not even train regularly…which does happen here often. We have seen it before where some don’t even train at all but love posting what they read as if they do.
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I did not miss the rest. You feel that less developed (pure size of only a few muscles right? should not be allowed to speak about bodybuilding and should not feel welcome here
Which = not everyone should feel welcome here.
It is quite simple.
If they have decent genetics–considering not every Nigerian or Carribean is gifted–then probably 40 to 50 pounds of muscle, perhaps with some outliers capable of gaining a BIT more. [/quote]
How would you know how much “only muscle” they gained if they did it?[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Everyone shouldn’t feel welcome
[/quote]
Thank you for finally answering a question. [/quote]
Oh, I see you accidentally missed the rest.
Here, let me add that for you. Must have been a mistake.
Everyone shouldn’t feel welcome to speak on the same level if they do not even train regularly…which does happen here often. We have seen it before where some don’t even train at all but love posting what they read as if they do.
[/quote]
I did not miss the rest. You feel that less developed (pure size of only a few muscles right? should not be allowed to speak about bodybuilding and should not feel welcome here
Which = not everyone should feel welcome here.
It is quite simple.[/quote]
Let’s play.
If you were focused in the gym…how much time would you waste talking to the guy who isn’t even dressed to train but comes in everyday to sit on the leg extension machine and drink coffee?
Would he feel “welcome” speaking to you while you trained?
I don’t know about you, but my guess is, someone like that would not feel “welcome” around me while I was focused on the gym.
It would be different if simply walking past someone on the street.
If they have decent genetics–considering not every Nigerian or Carribean is gifted–then probably 40 to 50 pounds of muscle, perhaps with some outliers capable of gaining a BIT more. [/quote]
How would you know how much “only muscle” they gained if they did it?[/quote]
Tracked their anthropometrics over a long time. [/quote]
How does that tell you how much only muscle they gained?
If they have decent genetics–considering not every Nigerian or Carribean is gifted–then probably 40 to 50 pounds of muscle, perhaps with some outliers capable of gaining a BIT more. [/quote]
How would you know how much “only muscle” they gained if they did it?[/quote]
Tracked their anthropometrics over a long time. [/quote]
How does that tell you how much only muscle they gained?[/quote]
Are you seriously asking this question when I mentioned anthropometrics considering you know just what they are.
If they have decent genetics–considering not every Nigerian or Carribean is gifted–then probably 40 to 50 pounds of muscle, perhaps with some outliers capable of gaining a BIT more. [/quote]
How would you know how much “only muscle” they gained if they did it?[/quote]
Tracked their anthropometrics over a long time. [/quote]
How does that tell you how much only muscle they gained?[/quote]
Are you seriously asking this question when I mentioned anthropometrics considering you know just what they are.
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Anthropometrics tell you lean body mass, fat free mass and fat mass.
That would not tell you how much was ONLY MUSCLE…which is what I assumed your “40lbs” number was referring to.
What is your number referring to if it is not “only muscle”?
I believe that regardless of ethnicity, those numbers are still fairly accurate based on the anecdotal evidence that has been amassed by trainers.[/quote]
What evidence?
Based on an analysis of some 300 class and overall title winning drug-free bodybuilders and strength athletes from 1947 to 2010 the following equation, predicting the maximum lean body mass someone of a given height and bone-structure can achieve without the use of anabolic drugs, was derived. It describes a “normal” state of nutrition and fluid retention in the trainee. (There is a link at the end of this article to an online calculator based on all of the formulae presented here).
where,
H = Height in inches
A = Ankle circumference at the smallest point
W = Wrist circumference measured on the hand side of the styloid process.
(The styloid process is the bony lump on the outside of your wrist.)
%bf = The body fat percentage at which you want to predict your maximum lean body mass
The above equation, as it was derived from collected data, applies most accurately to individuals of approximately average, balanced bone structures for their heights and average muscle belly lengths. Very thin ectomorphic men can expect to achieve roughly 95% of the lean body mass that the equation predicts. Likewise, very endo-mesomorphic men, men who have disproportionately wide hips, thick shoulder structures and torsos, high natural testosterone levels, exceptionally long muscle bellies or uncharacteristically small joints for their frame size may be able to exceed the prediction by up to roughly 5% in extreme cases (WNBF World Champion and Mr. Universe Rob Hope comes to mind).
As the above equation is intended for bodybuilders in a steady, maintainable state, special adjustments should be made for “bulking” off-season bodybuilders who, due to heavy food and liquid intake, often carry additional pounds of “lean body mass” in the form of fluid retention, labile proteins and contents in the digestive tract. In these cases, a bodybuilder may carry up to 4% additional body weight due to these factors - the predicted body weight must be multiplied by a maximum factor of 1.04 to account for this.
Comparing these body weights to population averages shows that these champions carry 24-26% more lean body mass than the average person of their height and bone structure. A large man such as Reg Park would carry 38-41 pounds more muscle than his average, non-weight training counterpart. A smaller structured man, such as 2006 WNBF World Champion Jon Harris, would carry about 31-34 pounds more muscle than an average, non-weight training man of his height and structure. It is also interesting to note that the absolute level of muscle mass carried by modern drug-tested bodybuilders is not statistically greater than that carried by bodybuilders from the pre-drug era - though modern bodybuilders compete at much lower body fat levels.
This was written in a paper by Casey Butts and was referenced by this
7.Kouri E.M., Pope H.G. Jr., Katz D.L., Oliva P., “Fat-free mass index in users and nonusers of anabolic-androgenic steroids”, Clinical Journal of Sport Medicine, vol. 5, no. 4, pp. 223-8, 1995
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Everyone shouldn’t feel welcome
[/quote]
Thank you for finally answering a question. [/quote]
Oh, I see you accidentally missed the rest.
Here, let me add that for you. Must have been a mistake.
Everyone shouldn’t feel welcome to speak on the same level if they do not even train regularly…which does happen here often. We have seen it before where some don’t even train at all but love posting what they read as if they do.
[/quote]
I did not miss the rest. You feel that less developed (pure size of only a few muscles right? should not be allowed to speak about bodybuilding and should not feel welcome here
Which = not everyone should feel welcome here.
It is quite simple.[/quote]
Let’s play.
If you were focused in the gym…how much time would you waste talking to the guy who isn’t even dressed to train but comes in everyday to sit on the leg extension machine and drink coffee?
Would he feel “welcome” speaking to you while you trained?
I don’t know about you, but my guess is, someone like that would not feel “welcome” around me while I was focused on the gym.
It would be different if simply walking past someone on the street.[/quote]
So why not just put all those people on ignore that you think aren’t qualified to speak and move on? You said you were putting me on ignore a while back and somehow still haven’t got around to doing it.
