That’s because vegans take it to an extreme. They eat only plant matter. Vegetarians can eat stuff like cheese, milk and eggs.[/quote]
If one’s reason for being a vegetarian is the brutal treatment of animals, than he/she had better not eat cheese, milk, or eggs because the harvesting of these things lead to the same brutal treatment. So the only logical reason I can see for someone choosing to be vegetarian but not vegan is because he/she just doesn’t like the taste of meat.
That’s because vegans take it to an extreme. They eat only plant matter. Vegetarians can eat stuff like cheese, milk and eggs.
If one’s reason for being a vegetarian is the brutal treatment of animals, than he/she had better not eat cheese, milk, or eggs because the harvesting of these things lead to the same brutal treatment. So the only logical reason I can see for someone choosing to be vegetarian but not vegan is because he/she just doesn’t like the taste of meat.
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I wonder how many vegans actually don’t like the taste of meat vs. how many do it as a political position.
I once knew a girl who refused to eat meat off the bone (ribs, chicken leg…) I can understand that, sort of. I’m sure there’s a sexual joke in there.
[quote]jarvis wrote:
I really have trouble understanding why someone would become a vegan.
If you don’t want animals to suffer then you sure as hell SHOULD be eating meat, or at least consuming animal products such as dairy and eggs.
If you don’t then there is no reason for domesticated livestock to exist. Cows and chickens would no longer be cared for by farmers as there would be no monetary motivation for them to do so.
If released into the wild, with all feral traits long since genetically departed, the farm animals would be eliminated by predators within a relatively short time frame.
Domesticated animals can either be cared for and allowed to live (for a pre-determined period) by farmers, or be killed by predators (and thus eradicated from existence for good) to quell the uneasy ‘conscience’ of a vegan.
Not to mention the fact that by removing yourself from the potential customer-base you are reducing the farmers’ potential income. You are thereby increasing the likelihood of ‘cruel’ cost-cutting measures being re-introduced to recoup the loss.[/quote]
You should really, really, really watch the video. meat.org
[quote]jarvis wrote:
I really have trouble understanding why someone would become a vegan.
If you don’t want animals to suffer then you sure as hell SHOULD be eating meat, or at least consuming animal products such as dairy and eggs.
If you don’t then there is no reason for domesticated livestock to exist. Cows and chickens would no longer be cared for by farmers as there would be no monetary motivation for them to do so.
If released into the wild, with all feral traits long since genetically departed, the farm animals would be eliminated by predators within a relatively short time frame.
Domesticated animals can either be cared for and allowed to live (for a pre-determined period) by farmers, or be killed by predators (and thus eradicated from existence for good) to quell the uneasy ‘conscience’ of a vegan.
Not to mention the fact that by removing yourself from the potential customer-base you are reducing the farmers’ potential income. You are thereby increasing the likelihood of ‘cruel’ cost-cutting measures being re-introduced to recoup the loss.[/quote]
Such a thing would not happen overnight. The farmers do not simply let go of the livestock into the wild.
They simply taper growth of the livestock. Prevent the animals from breeding and decrease production proportianatelly with demand.
As demand lowers, no new animals are grown and the rest is eaten until the farmer has none left. Then he goes and plants a field full of soy and begins to support the demad in that market.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
I once knew a girl who refused to eat meat off the bone (ribs, chicken leg…) I can understand that, sort of. I’m sure there’s a sexual joke in there.[/quote]
[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
Such a thing would not happen overnight. The farmers do not simply let go of the livestock into the wild.
They simply taper growth of the livestock. Prevent the animals from breeding and decrease production proportianatelly with demand.
As demand lowers, no new animals are grown and the rest is eaten until the farmer has none left. Then he goes and plants a field full of soy and begins to support the demad in that market.
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Whether it happens overnight or not is largely irrelevant. The salient point to take away from what I wrote is that a species would be made extinct via the hand of man.
I fail to see how an ‘animal lover’ can condone the eradication of a species, gradual or otherwise, purely on the grounds that it is possible for it to be treated in a cruel fashion.
I also find it an over-simplification to say that a farmer will simply plant soy. You have to consider environmental factors: the area may not have fertile enough soil to grow anything other than pasture.
Transition and menu costs also need to be taken into account: the cost of purchasing all new machinery necessary for farming soy plus the cost of re-packaging and re-branding.
[quote]jit07 wrote:
You should really, really, really watch the video. meat.org [/quote]
I did watch it. It’s the same crap that PETA has been putting out for years.
Show images of animal cruelty whilst talking about standard meat industry practices and leave the viewer to fill in the blanks: “obviously all meat is produced in a cruel way!”
Don’t buy into the bullshit PETA feeds you. Continue eating meat like we omnivorous humans are evolutionarily intended to do.
When I was on vacation in Maine last summer I saw a PETA activist dressed up in a red lobster suit picketing outside of a seafood restaurant with a sign that said “Being Boiled Hurts”. They probably sold less lobster that night.
[quote]"I did watch it. It’s the same crap that PETA has been putting out for years.
Show images of animal cruelty whilst talking about standard meat industry practices and leave the viewer to fill in the blanks: “obviously all meat is produced in a cruel way!”
Well done viewer, give yourself a gold star.[/quote]"
The movie may only portray a certain percentage of how livestock animals are treated and how they are “proccessed”. This is irrelevant. It’s the fact that these practices are considered acceptable. If what I saw in the video is “acceptable” then what else is accpetable in the livestock industry? Why would anyone want to eat an animal that is terribly unhealthy, grew too fast to support it’s own weight, and filled with antibiotics, hormones, and who knows what. Even if only a percentage of animals are treated in this way. Why would someone who considers their health important gamble?
[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
Flop Hat wrote:
You mean eaten by humans. All living things get eaten by something else, either as prey or scavenging after death.
Decomposition does not count as “eating”. They are different processes.[/quote]
Bacteria and other organisms eat us when we die, thus the whole decomposing thing. If you died in a vacuum, you would be preserved. The moment we die, microbes start to eat away at us, so it can be viewed as being scavanged.
It is truly sad how little some of you know about the livestock industry.
There is no such thing as humanely raised beef. FYI - they all get knocked in the head sooner or later.
Seriously, It is not efficient to raise animals inhumanely. The simple fact of the matter is - they are bread to put on weight as fast as possible, to convert as much feed to gain as possible, and to put on the optimal amount of fat.
Doing anything to these cattle other than letting them do what they are genetically selected to do is inefficient, and costs money.
You guys need to visit a farm, and quit swallowing the PETA drivel.
at least half of the time, things like veganism and self-declared “food allergies,” or intolerances, and just picky eating in general are a form of mental illness, or at the very least self important, self centered narcissism. i’m sure many of the poor and hungry of the world would kill for the steak that you fret over.
or like George Carlin said about anorexia “rich cunt don’t wanna eat…fuck her!”
I do not agree with how they house the cows and pigs fuck chickens who cares about them, but cows and pigs are to close to dogs they shoud have a field or something to walk around in
[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
Flop Hat wrote:
You mean eaten by humans. All living things get eaten by something else, either as prey or scavenging after death.
Decomposition does not count as “eating”. They are different processes.[/quote]
Well I meant scavenging, like vultures and hyenas, but most of decomposition can certainly be considered “eating”
