[quote]friedrice683 wrote:
Plus no one here knows anything about anything more than I do. [/quote]
Wow, I can’t believe you actually typed that. No one here knows more than you, yet you weigh as much as my sister and we all don’t. You’re the only one making excuses for everything. I started off two years ago at 125 lbs. I bulked up to 185 and am now cutting. I gained quite a bit of fat, but at least I didn’t look like a toothpick anymore, and I was told I looked big.
You’ve started about a dozen threads, all highlighting your neuroses about food and training.
You have consistently gotten the same answers, from all members, about your posts. Yet you keep posting.
Seriously.
Consider psychiatric help; you do not have a normal relationship with your body or your food. it’s not even healthily abnormal.
[quote]Reef wrote:
friedrice683 wrote:
Plus no one here knows anything about anything more than I do.
Wow, I can’t believe you actually typed that. No one here knows more than you, yet you weigh as much as my sister and we all don’t. You’re the only one making excuses for everything. I started off two years ago at 125 lbs. I bulked up to 185 and am now cutting. I gained quite a bit of fat, but at least I didn’t look like a toothpick anymore, and I was told I looked big.
For Christ’s sake I asked the weight training trainer who is probably 300+lbs, fat, but also extremely ripped
Yes this last statement makes total sense. “fat, but also extremely ripped” …WTF?!
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Reef,
I am in no way defending him, trust me…but I think his comment “no one here knows anything about anything more than I do” was referring to where he lives/trains. I HOPE he wasn’t referring to this site.
friedrice,
You can’t be 300lbs fat and ripped. Fat and ripped are at the opposited ends of the spectrum. And no, you do not need 5000 calories in a day, especially at 132. Find a baseline, maybe 2500 clean calories for you, and stick with it for 2-3 weeks.
If you don’t see any progress, and 200-300 calories a day and stick with that for a couple of weeks, add again until you find a range that works for you. There are plenty of good calorie counters out there on the web…I’ll post one in my next reply, but I’m not sure if T-Nation will approve, so I will make it separate from this post. Good luck.
Try using calorieking.com to give you an idea of your caloric intake.
[quote]Modi wrote:
Try using calorieking.com to give you an idea of your caloric intake. [/quote]
Yes, because what someone who is extremely obsessive and compulsive with a distorted body image needs are tools to be even more obsessive.
how many more of these posts must you make? waist measurements? 8 lbs of fat due to a couple of pieces of cake? i believe many people have attempted to help you as of late, yet you come back with more nonsense. i suggest you grow a pair and stop listening to your hyooge 150 lb friends. i think you’ve been around this site for some time. and i also think something of value should have been learned during your time spent here. quit obsessing over the minutia man.
[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:
Also, substitute some meals with gulping air.
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Ahahahaha, classic.
[quote]friedrice683 wrote:
Also how many calories would you say I’ve taken in so far for today just so I know how much I am usually taking in, I eat at college cafeteria
breakfast
Plate of scrambled eggs (idk how many eggs, its self serve from a buffet)
2 sausage patties
One ladle of omelet mix, 1oz ham
Lunch
7oz ground turkey
2cups reg. yogurt with granola
2 pbj sandwhiches on some crappy 40 calories whole wheat bread
1 pbj on a “low-carb” wrap[/quote]
Good on you for this eating. I see lots of eggs, meat, and high calorie stuff like PBJ’s. There’s even yogurt. Good stuff.
Two suggestions though:
1.) Um, where’s dinner?
2.) double what you’re eating. make it two plates of eggs, 20 oz. of turkey, 4 cups of yogurt, 10 sausage patties, etc. When you’re that small, i doubt you’re going to get fat eating that much quality food. So don’t worry about how many calories you’re taking in. find a really big guy, and try to out-eat him each and every meal.
A college buffet style cafeteria is a awesome place to put away tons of solid calories.
If I had a giant vat of eggs to eat, I’d probably eat literally five pounds of eggs for breakfast. Ground turkey there for the taking? eat a few pounds of that a day. honestly, think in POUNDS of food, not ounces.
I can’t stress enough what an advantage having this food prepared for you in advance is. it’s a real pain in the ass to buy the food, cook it, clean the dishes, clean the kitchen, and then repeat week after week after week.
take advantage of the fact that all you have to do is just eat the damn food. all the work is done for you.
get off the website, thats my best advice to you. or at least stop posting.
[quote]Modi wrote:
Reef wrote:
friedrice683 wrote:
Plus no one here knows anything about anything more than I do.
Wow, I can’t believe you actually typed that. No one here knows more than you, yet you weigh as much as my sister and we all don’t. You’re the only one making excuses for everything. I started off two years ago at 125 lbs. I bulked up to 185 and am now cutting. I gained quite a bit of fat, but at least I didn’t look like a toothpick anymore, and I was told I looked big.
For Christ’s sake I asked the weight training trainer who is probably 300+lbs, fat, but also extremely ripped
Yes this last statement makes total sense. “fat, but also extremely ripped” …WTF?!
Reef,
I am in no way defending him, trust me…but I think his comment “no one here knows anything about anything more than I do” was referring to where he lives/trains. I HOPE he wasn’t referring to this site.
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Oops, sorry. My bad. I guess it was too late, and I didn’t read it properly.
To clear things up:
I had psychiatric help but she knew nothing of anorexia nervosa and I am too much of a wuss to bring it up with my mom. Besides lately I eat like a cow so even if I mention anorexia no one would believe me. I have conquered the eating property, I just still have an anorexic mind, it is crystal clear.
Second, I wasn’t directing the “no one here knows anything more than I do” thing towards you guys! >_> I was directing it towards my school area, such as in other students who are more muscular and the 300lb guy. What I meant by fat and ripped was fat and extremely strong…my bad.
Thirdly, reasons I keep posting are I get mixed answers, some say to just stay the same for cross country (previous threads), others say eat 2500, and then others say just keep eating and i won’t get fat. Just so many decisions here.
Fourthly, I deleted calorieking.com out of my bookmarks, I was way to obsessed with it, I was checking foods that I ate everyday over and over on that damn thing counting my calories. Professor X was right, it just gave me another tool to make me more obsessed.
And I literally am obsessed, all I think about is food and how others have such better physiques than I or if they don’t then I just view that they at least enjoy the food they eat and don’t care.
Stupid question but has anyone ever been this “obsessed” with food and found some way to get rid of that obsession? I pray to God every night to just erase all of my obsessions with anything so I can just be a normal kid again but no, instead I fret over every goddamn thing I put in my mouth AFTER i put it in there.
I don’t want to get psychiatric help here, it will draw attention to me in a negative way and plus no one would believe some kid is anorexic as he can’t stop eating most of the time.
[quote]friedrice683 wrote:
Stupid question but has anyone ever been this “obsessed” with food and found some way to get rid of that obsession? I pray to God every night to just erase all of my obsessions with anything so I can just be a normal kid again but no, instead I fret over every goddamn thing I put in my mouth AFTER i put it in there.
I don’t want to get psychiatric help here, it will draw attention to me in a negative way and plus no one would believe some kid is anorexic as he can’t stop eating most of the time. [/quote]
Personal behaviour modification is going to have to come from forcing things to be a habit. It is going to take a conscious understanding of exactly what your true issues really are and daily actions against those thoughts. If you weigh yourself 20 times a day, you have got to force yourself to get rid of the scale. If you are visiting calorieking after every single meal and you weigh 135lbs, you have got to delete that from your browser or personal favorites. It may even take changing who you hang out with if the people you are around all of the time are helping to feed that that problem.
Studies have shown that habits can be formed by following at least two months of repetitive action in humans.
As far as your current reality, you are still skinny. You may be bigger than the skeleton you were before and people may even be now commenting on a change in your appearance, however, one thing most every “bodybuilder” knows is that the perception of the general public is warped and based on media and reality tv shows.
You will gain weight fast in your current state because you were UNDERweight to begin with (I am honestly assuming you are lifting weights regularly and with intensity…HOPEFULLY THAT IS NOT TOO MUCH OF AN ASSUMPTION). That means even some of your internal organs were very small because you were EXTREMELY SKINNY before. That is why worrying about “fat gain” in your condition makes no sense at all.
Much of this has been spelled out for you before so it makes people question your intentions when you keep making new posts that seem to disregard the fact that you DO have some issues.
You are going to have to make some changes in your life to change the way you think about things. If you are staring at yourself in the mirror all of the time, force yourself to stop. If you are counting every single OUNCE of food, force yourself to stop.
Either take the initiative yourself, OR SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP because there isn’t much anyone can do for you on this forum over the internet.
I don’t think this site is a healthy place for you. You are too confused when it comes to your body image and food intake. But if you choose to stay, I recommend starting a log where you can keep all your questions and information. That way if someone responds to your question, they will know your background. You are starting too many new threads with the same concerns and members should know your background before responding.
One of the authors from T-Nation offered you help. Did you contact him? If not, please do. You could use some guidance from someone who is familiar with weightlifting.
I think you should focus on eating plenty of healthy food and not on calorie counting. Counting calories is adding to your obsession.
Good luck!
Claire
Some other mental things to work on…
Separate or eliminate your associations between weight, fat and self-image. Who you are is not defined by your level of leanness. Your weight and size also have nothing to do with how fat you are… they simply aren’t related, though in your mind they might be.
What are your interests? It sounds like you don’t have time for any because you are spending all your time obsessing about stupid unimportant bullshit like how many specs of pepper were on your eggs and if whether or not they contributed calories to your meal. You are stressing during what should be a relatively carefree and low responsibility time of your life. That’s a shame.
Where did you get the idea that not being fat was so important? What is it that your mind thinks it will get/attain/be worth if you starve yourself to death? Alternately, what are you so afraid of? You’ve got to deprogram these associations.
I’m pissed that you said you had professional help when really you didn’t, at least not with this issue. Find a local community service, nearly every city has them, and see if they can get you get local professional help, of the right sort, on a confidential basis, outside of your school.
We aren’t able to know/tell if you are getting anything we say, or if we have anything right, if you are telling us the truth, or anything else important. Don’t keep asking us for advice, as you can get all kinds of answers and then let your condition have you choose the answers you want to hear.
However, presuming everything is on the up and up, at least it seems you have started to eat some real food. If you fnd yourself HUNGRY and forced to eat more, then make adjustements (increase meal sizes or have good food snacks between meals). Try to avoid binging on bullshit because you aren’t mentally equipped to handle it.
Anyhow, if you are hungry, that is natural and means your body is working to recover from your workouts and/or catch up from your prior state of apparent malnutrition.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Modi wrote:
Try using calorieking.com to give you an idea of your caloric intake.
Yes, because what someone who is extremely obsessive and compulsive with a distorted body image needs are tools to be even more obsessive.[/quote]
Exactly this kid need to learn to ease up and just eat relax train and have fun not become more anal he’s proven he’s damn good/bad at that.
[quote]Phill wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Modi wrote:
Try using calorieking.com to give you an idea of your caloric intake.
Yes, because what someone who is extremely obsessive and compulsive with a distorted body image needs are tools to be even more obsessive.
Exactly this kid need to learn to ease up and just eat relax train and have fun not become more anal he’s proven he’s damn good/bad at that.
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My point was to get him to realize that he probably wasn’t even consuming enough calories. Most people think they are taking in more calories than they are when they are trying to bulk.
However, I did not take into account his obsessive behavior, and that a site like that could promote more of that behavior, so I understand your comment X.
It may be helpful, when someone asks for advice, for people to provide specifics. Rather than just saying eat, eat, eat. Give hime some useful ideas, so he can put on some weight, and develop good eating habits…hopefully that’s why he came to this website in the first place.