I get mean mugged all the time, no big deal. Some people just need to show of their massive ego’s. It does get annoying sometimes. I’m in a walking boot for my broken leg and when I was walking on this little pathway at my school some kids would not get out of my way. They just mean mugged me and I had to shoulder my way through as we crossed paths. It’s not like I’m gonna agilely maneuver around them when I can barely fuckin walk. They need to learn some respect. I’m not big or anything but I towered over these kids, I’d say their average height was about 5’3.
And for the OP, just ignore the little cunts. It’s all they are.
I honestly didn’t know what to make of the first few pages of this thread, and am glad some intelligent discourse has returned in these latter. TheBodyGuard brings up many good and interesting points. I was reminded of an old article which deals with many of the psychological issues addressed in self-defense situations:
“All of these states, pride, aggression, paranoia, and confusion, create a mind that is unable to read its surroundings well, and invites dangerous situations that could otherwise be avoided. They narrow the field of awareness to a great extent.”[…]
“Once we are prone to hate and rage, we project around us a field of paranoia and all people become our potential enemies. We feel destructive towards them, and we assume they feel destructive towards us. When we become cool, we don’t project enmity on others; we can observe them more objectively, and if they are in fact out to cause trouble, we can quickly act to avoid it.”
If the tables are turned, you’re walking down a hot block where I’m “home” and you nod or say hi to me unsolicited, you’re marking yourself as weak. You have just tucked your tail between your legs and if I’d be so inclined (I’m not), you’re a victim.
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Woah. This is one fucked up culture your living in. And a big mistake on your part to take people that way. Maybe it would be accurate for someone also raised in that environment, but if it’s not someone from that culture you’ll be dead wrong.
The whole thought process reeks of the mentality behind racism, sexism and every other ism there is. Your black, therefore you must be… or you’re Japanese, you must be… People should be assessed as individuals not by appearing to be similar to some group.
If the tables are turned, you’re walking down a hot block where I’m “home” and you nod or say hi to me unsolicited, you’re marking yourself as weak. You have just tucked your tail between your legs and if I’d be so inclined (I’m not), you’re a victim.
Woah. This is one fucked up culture your living in. And a big mistake on your part to take people that way. Maybe it would be accurate for someone also raised in that environment, but if it’s not someone from that culture you’ll be dead wrong.
The whole thought process reeks of the mentality behind racism, sexism and every other ism there is. Your black, therefore you must be… or you’re Japanese, you must be… People should be assessed as individuals not by appearing to be similar to some group.[/quote]
I agree with that. Always give people a chance. The vast majority of the population are good people, the problem is communication
If the tables are turned, you’re walking down a hot block where I’m “home” and you nod or say hi to me unsolicited, you’re marking yourself as weak. You have just tucked your tail between your legs and if I’d be so inclined (I’m not), you’re a victim.
Woah. This is one fucked up culture your living in. And a big mistake on your part to take people that way. Maybe it would be accurate for someone also raised in that environment, but if it’s not someone from that culture you’ll be dead wrong.
The whole thought process reeks of the mentality behind racism, sexism and every other ism there is. Your black, therefore you must be… or you’re Japanese, you must be… People should be assessed as individuals not by appearing to be similar to some group.[/quote]
I have to agree with this BodyGuard. I’m not sure what kind of environment you grew up in (I would assume we are about the same age also), but where I grew up, people are not sized up like that. Saying “hi” doesn’t equal pussy or weak. It means courteous and that the individual is probably a functioning member of society.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
on edge wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
If the tables are turned, you’re walking down a hot block where I’m “home” and you nod or say hi to me unsolicited, you’re marking yourself as weak. You have just tucked your tail between your legs and if I’d be so inclined (I’m not), you’re a victim.
Woah. This is one fucked up culture your living in. And a big mistake on your part to take people that way. Maybe it would be accurate for someone also raised in that environment, but if it’s not someone from that culture you’ll be dead wrong.
The whole thought process reeks of the mentality behind racism, sexism and every other ism there is. Your black, therefore you must be… or you’re Japanese, you must be… People should be assessed as individuals not by appearing to be similar to some group.
I agree with that. Always give people a chance. The vast majority of the population are good people, the problem is communication
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Jasmincar, you’ve made some good points and I understand where you are coming from, which will work in most cases with a large segment of society. What Thebodyguard and others have attempted to point out to you are the one percenters to borrow a biker term, those hardcore sociopaths readily found in the hood and or prison system. They are predatory to the extreme and any little gesture of ‘oh, hi excuse me’ will be a red flag screaming this is a mark ripe for the plucking.
The good thing is the vast majority of us won’t ever be in an environment where these types roam and prey. Unless you’re from the hardcore hood it’s generally not something to worry about unless you’re foolish enough to take a field trip there. If you do find yourself in that environment for whatever reason it’s best to give a ‘I don’t give a fuck what your business is and don’t try to fuck with my business’ while you get the fuck outta there quickly. And, to on edge this applies to the hood or jail whether you’re dealing with white, black, Japanese, etc. etc. etc.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
You know, it’s these mean muggers who make me wish I could carry a katana, either waist strapped or back strapped. Here is how it would go down if life was fair.
Me> Walking with Katana strapped to my back
Thug> Mean Mugging me
Me> While staring back at the thug, I divert my course and walk over to him, making sure I get within striking distance of my katana. While still staring at him, I put my hand on the hilt of my blade. “Did you need something?”
Thug> acting tough “Bitch What Y…Gurgle gurgle gurgle”
Me> Wiping the blood off my sword and re-sheath it and continue on my way.
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Best.Scenario.Ever.
Haha, some people need to step into a bad neighbourhood sometime to actually realise this isn’t “play-play” stuff. These guys DO NOT fuck around.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
You know, it’s these mean muggers who make me wish I could carry a katana, either waist strapped or back strapped. Here is how it would go down if life was fair.
Me> Walking with Katana strapped to my back
Thug> Mean Mugging me
Me> While staring back at the thug, I divert my course and walk over to him, making sure I get within striking distance of my katana. While still staring at him, I put my hand on the hilt of my blade. “Did you need something?”
Thug> acting tough “Bitch What Y…Gurgle gurgle gurgle”
Me> Wiping the blood off my sword and re-sheath it and continue on my way.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Is this a moment to be a hero and protect others? Potentially putting my young son and friend at risk?[/quote]
Yeah. As soon as you have other lives depending on you, the whole situation changes. I haven’t been tested like that since I had kids, but I think about how I would need to act. The thing is, even if my kid isn’t with me, I have to be really careful. If I got myself killed, the financial and emotional impact on my family would be really bad.
At the same time, sometimes there is no choice. You could probably tell that the woman you watched get mugged was just going to lose her purse and cell phone. I bet if it looked like they were really going to shoot her, you would have taken the risk to stop it. It’s all about that quick cost-benefit analysis you were doing.
Kudos on making the right decision. While it would have felt really good to stop a mugging, your choices were a part of the fact that the good guys and innocents all walked away healthy that day.
But if you bring the gun out only when things have already boiled over then no, it’s self defense. If you bring it out it in a suburban setting (justifiably), no. It also depends on how you approach the situation.
“self defense” is not some magical legal remedy to save your ass, but I’m sure you know that. Right? Your use of force in defending yourself or property must be “reasonable”. Things that seem to be “boiling” in the heat of the moment are not always so clear…until the smoke has cleared. Guns may or may not escalate a situation, but as I have written just prior to this, they do give many a false sense of security - and that in and of itself is an escalator. If you’re not avoiding where you normally would when you don’t have a gun, then you are making a big mistake.
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Absolutely agree. I liked your prior post as well. I am simply saying that different people react to guns differently (as we’ve been over in this thread), and you need serious situational awareness. The “high probability” of guns escalating the situation is primarily due to those who do not have this ability, or the ability to avoid the problem in the first place (they are emboldened).
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
By the way, I want to add my murdered friend was “harder” than most of you here. But he was still no killer. If I presented you with the situation (and even him if he were still alive), to a man you would all say you’d have come out blazing guns. There is NO doubt in my mind he WOULD have said the same thing.
Well, some stick up kids came to his house, and being emboldened by the “power” of his gun, he met them outside - his small daughters were inside. He didn’t call the police and stay inside ( which was the reasonable thing to do ), the stick up kids weren’t breaking down the door. No. He WENT OUTSIDE HIS HOME, gun in waistband. And he was gunned down. True story. Happened in Allentown PA. Shooter got the death penalty.
We can sit here and quarterback all day what he did wrong…but the fact remains, that gun makes a lot of people feel powerful…and real life happens in heart pounding seconds, not in the cute leisurely minutes it takes to make an internet reply…and we all make mistakes. ANY mistake with a gun is one you will regret for a long time.[/quote]
No offense to your memory of your friend, but that was fucking stupid. You obviously know that from the way you made this post, but in that situation it would never even occur to me to go outside the protection of my home.
[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:
Testy1 wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
or shooting a deer in the head, is not fully evolved
Are you a vegan, or just lack the fortitude to do your own killing?
I’ve noticed that in the midwest, it is far more socially acceptable than in other parts of the country to actually kill your own food (and I see you’re in Michigan). I was born and raised in Syracuse New York. I lived there until I was 21 and I didn’t know anyone south of the Adirondacks who hunted regularly for meat. Infact, most people I spoke to hated the idea of hunting and thought it was cruel.
I actually think that some slaughter houses are a worse fate for some animals versus living wildly and then having it end quickly. I generally stay away from generalizations such as the above, however this has been my experience, whether it is true or not. Oh and on a side note, fuck vegans and vegetarians, those people can’t be trusted.[/quote]
That is one of the things that really frustrates me. It’s life. Life is by definition cruel in a “state of nature”. It is a helluva lot more cruel death to be clawed, stabbed and bitten and dragged to death by a predator than it is to be cleanly shot. All the idealizing and all the philosophizing in the world won’t change this fact. People seem to think that “Nature” is cuddly. Nature is NOT–it’s a cruel, wild world, full of wonder and amazing wilderness. And to speak of hunting in that manner you mentioned above shows such a depth of ignorance that I have trouble even conversing with that person. And yeah, it’s still a better fate than a slaughterhouse.
Desensitization to the personal presence of death is one of the things that is leading to a whole host of problems in this culture. If you can put it out of your mind, it doesn’t exist. But if you live with it, you accept it and you value life more.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
Let me try and summarize one last time:
What the anti-hunting crowd questions is the maturity, sanity, and intelligence of gun-hugging little boys - who’d never have the temerity to mess with a grown man - who go out to shoot at live animals for the Viagara-esque effect it has on them. The issue is the mentality and intellect of those cretins who derive pleasure from blowing the life out of animals. The guy working on the ranch, at the slaughter house, and butcher’s shop do not pursue their vocation for the thrill of killing.[/quote]
This post is rife with stereotyped assumptions. What the anti-hunting crowd does, in reality, and after many “discussions” with representatives of this crowd, is to attempt to portray ALL HUNTERS as the VERY SMALL minority of fuck-ups. They say they realize that this is not all hunters, but that is only lip service because they never address this fact when spouting talking points. Additionally, all their talking points and press releases, all their arguments, are geared towards persuading other people to believe that all hunters are fuck-ups. This is either mass ignorance of a cataclysmic degree, or total intellectual dishonesty.
I have never seen a hunter display the kind of attitude you decry. Never. Even those that hunt for “sport” or trophies in my area, and there are a lot, use the meat of the animal or donate it.
They were. One kid pulled a gun. I didn’t realize I wasn’t clear on that. She resisted initially, he pulled a gun, other kid grabbed the purse, found the cell phone, smashed it, and they jogged away. This is literally happening at my left front bumper, on the sidewalk, 6-7 feet away. And they somehow do not notice us sitting there. All I could think of was my son. When I realized what was happening, I slowly removed my gun from the side of my seat, slowly chambered a round, took off the safety, and had it ready if they noticed us. I would throw myself from a fucking bridge if anything happened to my son.
I’m not even sure I felt “safer” having a gun if they did notice me. If they realize I have a gun, one of two things are happening - they are running, or they are shooting. How do I “win” if a stray gets my son - even if I manage to hit them? How did that gun make me “safe”? I mean, seriously guys, I was absolutely set to gun them down if they noticed us and approached the car. I was going to take them right thru my window. I made a concious decision, right then and there, that I would risk the legal system to err on the side of caution in defense of my son - that I was not going to let anyone point a gun at the occupants of my vehicle. I also knew I could very well be throwing away my life in that very moment. I was going to shoot first, without warning. If that happened, do you think I was heading to City Hall to get a key to the city and hero’s welcome or, was I heading to a grand jury hearing at some point? What if one of my rounds misses in the fire fight and I hit the woman? What if one of my rounds travels thru someone’s window and strikes someone, or worse, a child? A gun is a liability gentlemen - you better be damn well sure you can manage it.[/quote]
This post pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter. Even if someone breaks into my house, I’m taking a defensive position and hoping nothing happens before the cops get here. I have no delusions of heroism, but God help whoever is dumb enough to come down that hallway.
To FightinIrish26:
First of all I got your moron and dumbfuck!
Second in this video there is a 16 year old who is being jumped by a shit load of kids and being beat with some sticks and all kinds of shit. Your hear people in the background saying stop. If someone in the background would have pulled out a gun and shot one time in the air. This 16 year old kid would probably be alive to tell his side of the story. Me and most people that I know, If we hear a gunshot we get the hell out of dodge. No one wants to be shot or shot at. Sadly I have been shot at protecting this country that most of you live in including you Mr. FightinIrish26. What if this 16 year old was your son or even you. We all can say what if all day everyday. Who really gives a shit about “what if’s” if it didnt happen. What if you were 280lbs of muscle. I know you wouldnt be on T-Nation being an Internet gangster. We all have our opinions about right from wrong. Some of us are survivors and some are just victims.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
This post is rife with stereotyped assumptions. What the anti-hunting crowd does, in reality, and after many “discussions” with representatives of this crowd, is to attempt to portray ALL HUNTERS as the VERY SMALL minority of fuck-ups. They say they realize that this is not all hunters, but that is only lip service because they never address this fact when spouting talking points. Additionally, all their talking points and press releases, all their arguments, are geared towards persuading other people to believe that all hunters are fuck-ups. This is either mass ignorance of a cataclysmic degree, or total intellectual dishonesty.
I have never seen a hunter display the kind of attitude you decry. Never. Even those that hunt for “sport” or trophies in my area, and there are a lot, use the meat of the animal or donate it. [/quote]
Haha, what the fuck - what do you want from me pal? You haven’t seen it. I have. Stick your head in the fuckin’ sand if you want, but don’t put words in my mouth, capiche? Nowhere did I paint everyone with one brush - did you gloss over the part where I AGREED with someone from the hunting crowd in this very thread?
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
Aragorn wrote:
This post is rife with stereotyped assumptions. What the anti-hunting crowd does, in reality, and after many “discussions” with representatives of this crowd, is to attempt to portray ALL HUNTERS as the VERY SMALL minority of fuck-ups. They say they realize that this is not all hunters, but that is only lip service because they never address this fact when spouting talking points. Additionally, all their talking points and press releases, all their arguments, are geared towards persuading other people to believe that all hunters are fuck-ups. This is either mass ignorance of a cataclysmic degree, or total intellectual dishonesty.
I have never seen a hunter display the kind of attitude you decry. Never. Even those that hunt for “sport” or trophies in my area, and there are a lot, use the meat of the animal or donate it.
Haha, what the fuck - what do you want from me pal? You haven’t seen it. I have. Stick your head in the fuckin’ sand if you want, but don’t put words in my mouth, capiche? Nowhere did I paint everyone with one brush - did you gloss over the part where I AGREED with someone from the hunting crowd in this very thread?
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Did I address you specifically? I said the “anti-hunting crowd”. As a whole, this is what I have observed. You may have observed retards leaving carcasses out to rot, I don’t know. I take exception to the implied statement from you, though, that these morons make up a large chunk of the hunting faction. You didn’t come right out and state it, but the implication was there. Most of the hunting crowd feels the same way you do about these idiots.
[quote]powerful01 wrote:
To FightinIrish26:
First of all I got your moron and dumbfuck!
Second in this video there is a 16 year old who is being jumped by a shit load of kids and being beat with some sticks and all kinds of shit. Your hear people in the background saying stop. If someone in the background would have pulled out a gun and shot one time in the air. This 16 year old kid would probably be alive to tell his side of the story. Me and most people that I know, If we hear a gunshot we get the hell out of dodge. No one wants to be shot or shot at. Sadly I have been shot at protecting this country that most of you live in including you Mr. FightinIrish26. What if this 16 year old was your son or even you. We all can say what if all day everyday. Who really gives a shit about “what if’s” if it didnt happen. What if you were 280lbs of muscle. I know you wouldnt be on T-Nation being an Internet gangster. We all have our opinions about right from wrong. Some of us are survivors and some are just victims.
Negro,please…you continue to use the presence of a gun as this almighty crutch. If enough of those bystanders had the balls to step in and keep that dude from being beat to death,he would still be alive. Don’t act as if some negligent fool shooting a firearm in a crowded area is the most logical answer in that type of situation…as I think you have better judgment than that.
And you were shot serving your sworn duty…not necessarily to protect any of us. That I “fight for you” persona from soldiers is turning into a tired cliche. I respect those that serve and fight…but don’t over do it with the bullshit.
Did I address you specifically? I said the “anti-hunting crowd”. As a whole, this is what I have observed. You may have observed retards leaving carcasses out to rot, I don’t know. I take exception to the implied statement from you, though, that these morons make up a large chunk of the hunting faction. You didn’t come right out and state it, but the implication was there. Most of the hunting crowd feels the same way you do about these idiots.[/quote]
Quoting me and responding is addressing me, yes.
Furthermore, don’t trivialize my thoughts and/or my viewpoint with constant referrals to “leaving carcasses out to rot” - that was barely an example I even provided via sustenance versus otherwise.