McCain Booed By Own Supporters

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Because laissez faire capitalism is a dangerous thing. It leads to things like child labor, no minimum wage, monopolies, and a host of other problems.[/quote]

You make too many assumption about the consequences of capitalism and laissez-faire that must be debunked.

Child labor was not a product of capitalism as it came before the ideas of a market economy were ever considered. Capitalism has nothing to do with who works and who doesn’t. It is a means of ownership in the market economy. Child labor was a left over product of feudalism in the new industrial age. The ideas of capitalism were barley underway when child labor was abolished.

Capitalism actually makes it so that children do not have to work because it maximizes productivity better than feudalism ever could have (capitalism could have also made schools more affordable for the working class but unfortunately the government interferes with that process). Besides, child labor is not such a bad thing. Some kids should be working and not cluttering up schools.

Minimum wage is an other very bad idea that is a product of the egalitarian mindset. It creates disemployment and actually harms marginal labor more than it helps it. Anytime there is price fixing there will be supply shortages – labor is no exception. Capitalism actually makes wages higher than any government could enforce by maximizing productive capacities which is what a wage is based on. Why should a less productive person make minimum wage if an employer thinks the expense is not worth it?

Monopolies are a product of interference in the market by barring entry into it and not a product of capitalism. It is true that all businesses want no competition and want to be the biggest and best but in a free society that cannot happen without some sort of coercion. Think of the mafia for example.

Capitalism does not create the things you mentioned nor does it make society worse off; rather the thing you mention are a product of the human condition already and capitalism makes it better despite these conditions. Capitalism is the doctrine that the means of production should be privately owned and influenced by a market economy. It is a product of liberalism.

You haven’t made much headway in “Human Action”, have you? Skip this book and read “Economics in One Lesson,” by Henry Hazlitt. You need to get over the myths of the free market economy before you can come to any real understanding of capitalism.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
There’s a balance as to what the government should and shouldn’t be involved in with business, and I think that right now the country actually manages that pretty well.

What if all the US government did was uphold its obligations to protect life, liberty and property?

Why do businesses need their own special laws to protect or punish them?

Because laissez faire capitalism is a dangerous thing. It leads to things like child labor, no minimum wage, monopolies, and a host of other problems.

The government has done a good job on reigning in business when necessary. And it has been necessary.[/quote]

Why do you encourage Lifty?

You’re probably the dumb son of a bitch who keeps feeding the strays as well.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< There’s a balance as to what the government should and shouldn’t be involved in with business, and I think that right now the country actually manages that pretty well. >>>[/quote]

You do?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
pookie wrote:
If only McCain had put his foot down and run his campaign like that from the beginning… It’s a bit late to bring back the real maverick who doesn’t like playing political games.

Which is why many conservatives are angry. I know. I am one. Obama is nothing but bad news for this country. Anyone who wants to take more of my money and give it to worthless fucks who don’t pay taxes in the first place is nothing more than a fucking thief.

Conservatives are sick of the republicans and dems currently in office who use our wallets, and our future like it is theirs. McCain should have come out swinging after the convention and calling a spade a spade.

He should have voted against the bailout, and ran his campaign like he was mad as hell not willing to take another minute of the bullshit.

The lying piece of shit Irish hasn’t a fucking clue what he is talking about.

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Oh, I would have thought conservatives would be angry because they had 8 years and had run their beautifull country into the ground. Because that would have pissed me off, had the guy I voted for done that.

Not so if you’re a conservative. These guys aren’t done yet. They want 8 more years to finish the job.

I saw you weaseling your way from responsibility. You voted for Bush. You were wrong.

You support McCain. You’re wrong again.

You want a spade called a spade? I call you stupid, you don’t have a clue. There’s your spade.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Mccain’s problem is that he’s not different enough than Obama on the economy, the reigning issue at the moment. If we were to suffer a fresh 911 style attack right now the election would be over and Obama would be laughed off the presidential stage.

I disagree with most of you. He should be pounding on Obama’s anti American radical past incessantly. The anger in his crowds are from people who are sick and tired of watching their country sacrificed on the altar of bleeding heart marxist bullshit of which BO is the quintessential specimen.

He is not a decent, patriotic, but misguided fellah though I suppose Mccain has to say that. He is an eye poppingly dangerous abomination to this country.

We are going to pay. If those traitorous dems pick up seats in the house and senate AND they manage to get this asshole elected, WE ARE GOING TO PAY. We can argue all day long, but I’ll be back here with the “I told ya so’s”.

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To late. After the Bush disaster, I’m here with “I told you so’s” now.

McCains problem is he doesn’t have a clue about the economy. The bleeding heart marxist bullshit you mentioned, wtf is that all about? Is it the marxists that brought down the DOW? You probably don’t have a clue about the economy either.

Still, patriotic of you to long for a 911 style attack. And a nice twist to call the dems traitors. Is that because they fear such an attack?

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Voters are retarded.

We see it confirmed time and time again.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< There’s a balance as to what the government should and shouldn’t be involved in with business, and I think that right now the country actually manages that pretty well. >>>

You do?[/quote]

What I meant is in the long haul- since the inception of the country. Over the years, we have progressed from a point where a corporation could do anything to the present, where the government can persecute monopolies and can have oversight over abuses.

The past eight years have, obviously, been something of an anomaly. Overall, America’s brand of capitalism has proven that it works, and a mix of government and private enterprise has made us the strongest country in the world as of now.

Now… we’ll see where it goes from here.

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I was going to answer you seriously, but then I saw this.

Conversation’s over.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< There’s a balance as to what the government should and shouldn’t be involved in with business, and I think that right now the country actually manages that pretty well. >>>

You do?

What I meant is in the long haul- since the inception of the country. Over the years, we have progressed from a point where a corporation could do anything to the present, where the government can persecute monopolies and can have oversight over abuses.

The past eight years have, obviously, been something of an anomaly. Overall, America’s brand of capitalism has proven that it works, and a mix of government and private enterprise has made us the strongest country in the world as of now.

Now… we’ll see where it goes from here.[/quote]

I will say that I do believe that some regulation is a good thing IF implemented in the interests of citizens and not as tool for the further empowerment of politicians.

Marketing products and or services that are known to be dangerous should be illegal. Fraud, which can take many forms and is sometimes tough to define should be illegal. A couple for instances.

So I’m not an advocate of lawless market anarchy.

However any scheme whereby a company is mandated by law to conduct it’s legal and safe business in a way other than how it would otherwise is both immoral and deleterious.

Governments have an economic record that ranges from poor to disastrous.

We have weakened economically in direct proportion to federal taxation, spending and influence in the last 40 years. Once you exceed the regulation of safety and equitable return you begin the slide right into the disaster we are in the middle of right now.

It’s a simple principle. People will never handle somebody else’s property or interests with the same efficiency and motives that those people will do for themselves. That’s just the way it is.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Mccain’s problem is that he’s not different enough than Obama on the economy, the reigning issue at the moment. If we were to suffer a fresh 911 style attack right now the election would be over and Obama would be laughed off the presidential stage.

I disagree with most of you. He should be pounding on Obama’s anti American radical past incessantly. The anger in his crowds are from people who are sick and tired of watching their country sacrificed on the altar of bleeding heart marxist bullshit of which BO is the quintessential specimen.

He is not a decent, patriotic, but misguided fellah though I suppose Mccain has to say that. He is an eye poppingly dangerous abomination to this country.

We are going to pay. If those traitorous dems pick up seats in the house and senate AND they manage to get this asshole elected, WE ARE GOING TO PAY. We can argue all day long, but I’ll be back here with the “I told ya so’s”.

To late. After the Bush disaster, I’m here with “I told you so’s” now.

McCains problem is he doesn’t have a clue about the economy. The bleeding heart marxist bullshit you mentioned, wtf is that all about? Is it the marxists that brought down the DOW? You probably don’t have a clue about the economy either.

Still, patriotic of you to long for a 911 style attack. And a nice twist to call the dems traitors. Is that because they fear such an attack?[/quote]

What exactly did bush do? i’de like to hear your thoughts. please be specific.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

What I meant is in the long haul- since the inception of the country. Over the years, we have progressed from a point where a corporation could do anything to the present, where the government can persecute monopolies and can have oversight over abuses.
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Not true. all you have to do is look at the regulation we had in the 60’s and what we have now. There has been an explosion of unneeded regulation. Corporations weren’t running wild in the 60’s.

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Now… we’ll see where it goes from here.[/quote]

More gov’t induced bubbles and corrections that take 10 times what they should.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Oh, I would have thought conservatives would be angry because they had 8 years and had run their beautifull country into the ground. Because that would have pissed me off, had the guy I voted for done that.

Not so if you’re a conservative. These guys aren’t done yet. They want 8 more years to finish the job.

I saw you weaseling your way from responsibility. You voted for Bush. You were wrong.

You support McCain. You’re wrong again.

You want a spade called a spade? I call you stupid, you don’t have a clue. There’s your spade.[/quote]

Tough talk coming from the pussy who is so scared of ladders he has to make his dad climb them.

Had you done a simple reading through these threads, you would have noticed that I am not voting for McCain.

But why let that get in the way?

Why is a Belgian pussy trying to get into the US political discussion? You guys are going broke faster than we are, and you think you have room to talk?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

Besides, child labor is not such a bad thing. Some kids should be working and not cluttering up schools.

I was going to answer you seriously, but then I saw this.

Conversation’s over.[/quote]

Why is it bad that children work? You have no argument for this so then I must be correct. Contrary to popular belief not all people are created equal. There are people that should not be cluttering up schools and stealing taxpayer money.

Defend your ideas if you want to be taken seriously.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

Besides, child labor is not such a bad thing. Some kids should be working and not cluttering up schools.

I was going to answer you seriously, but then I saw this.

Conversation’s over.

Why is it bad that children work? You have no argument for this so then I must be correct. Contrary to popular belief not all people are created equal. There are people that should not be cluttering up schools and stealing taxpayer money.

Defend your ideas if you want to be taken seriously.[/quote]

Because every child deserves a shot at education.

Some kids don’t take school seriously until they reach high school, or college, because they don’t mature as fast. To say that they should be working because they aren’t naturally as smart is absolute bullshit.

I’ve known a lot of people that didn’t wake up until their later years and get their shit together. What would they do if they never even graduated high school?

This is a stupid discussion to even have.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

Besides, child labor is not such a bad thing. Some kids should be working and not cluttering up schools.

I was going to answer you seriously, but then I saw this.

Conversation’s over.

Why is it bad that children work? You have no argument for this so then I must be correct. Contrary to popular belief not all people are created equal. There are people that should not be cluttering up schools and stealing taxpayer money.

Defend your ideas if you want to be taken seriously.

Because every child deserves a shot at education.

Some kids don’t take school seriously until they reach high school, or college, because they don’t mature as fast. To say that they should be working because they aren’t naturally as smart is absolute bullshit.

I’ve known a lot of people that didn’t wake up until their later years and get their shit together. What would they do if they never even graduated high school?

This is a stupid discussion to even have.
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How does a child deserve an education that must be bought first? I am all for schooling children as long as there are means to do it that do not come from taxpayers. That can be non-profit or for profit schools. There is more than one way to educate a child than with public schools. Some kids will only be educated on the job pushing a broom or mowing a lawn. Not every person is cut out to be a brain surgeon, a lawyer, a teacher, or a engineer – there is no point for most people to even finish high-school.

There is no right to education (or health care or food or houses, for that matter).

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Someone looking for a squealing pig?

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[quote]Christine wrote:
Someone looking for a squealing pig?[/quote]

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Correct.

I’m envious of Palin because bacon is so damn tasty!

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[quote]Christine wrote:
Correct.

I’m envious of Palin because bacon is so damn tasty!

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

Besides, child labor is not such a bad thing. Some kids should be working and not cluttering up schools.

I was going to answer you seriously, but then I saw this.

Conversation’s over.

Why is it bad that children work? You have no argument for this so then I must be correct. Contrary to popular belief not all people are created equal. There are people that should not be cluttering up schools and stealing taxpayer money.

Defend your ideas if you want to be taken seriously.

Because every child deserves a shot at education.

Some kids don’t take school seriously until they reach high school, or college, because they don’t mature as fast. To say that they should be working because they aren’t naturally as smart is absolute bullshit.

I’ve known a lot of people that didn’t wake up until their later years and get their shit together. What would they do if they never even graduated high school?

This is a stupid discussion to even have.

How does a child deserve an education that must be bought first? I am all for schooling children as long as there are means to do it that do not come from taxpayers. That can be non-profit or for profit schools. There is more than one way to educate a child than with public schools. Some kids will only be educated on the job pushing a broom or mowing a lawn. Not every person is cut out to be a brain surgeon, a lawyer, a teacher, or a engineer – there is no point for most people to even finish high-school.

There is no right to education (or health care or food or houses, for that matter).[/quote]

Your attitude is a perfect example of why your argument
doesn’t work. The USA doesn’t need any more people as stupid as you.