Mayweather a Punk

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I posted this in the combat thread about this fight, and I’ll post it here too.

The people who said Floyd did something wrong DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOXING.

I was at a bar that had a whole lotta hood types in it last night, and after the fight I was hanging outside with one of the bouncers, a huge black man with long dreadlocks who kinda reminded me of Lennox Lewis.

His first thought on this fight?

“Floyd’s street cred just went through the roof with that…that was some real shit.”

And he’s fucking right.

Let’s get one thing straight - boxing is no gentleman’s game. It attracts the roughest, shadiest characters around, and the kind of guys willing to get up in the ring and do this for a living are guys that are, for the most part, street as hell.

You do a flying fucking headbutt into someone during a boxing match, a move that not only could knock someone out (the way Ortiz did it) but could cause a MASSIVE cut that could stop the fight, and you fucking well better be prepared to get fouled right back.

I’ve never seen anger flash across Floyd’s face like I did when he hit Ortiz after that, and rightly so.

This kid comes in, having fought a couple good fighters, saying he’s gonna whip you, and then he pulls a move like that? C’mon.

Was it kind of a dirty trick? Yea, I guess. But really, IT’S A FUCKING FIGHT. You want to kiss, do it after the fucking fight. You wanna complain to the ref, do it after the fucking fight. Arturo Gatti talked to the ref during their fight - Floyd hit him. Shane Mosley talked to the ref during their fight - Floyd hit him. Ortiz did the same shit, he just didn’t have the chin to take it.

Seriously, you get up in that ring, and the one thing they tell FROM THE START - Protect yourself at all times - especially after you just landed a huge ass cheap shot.

Seriously, fuck Ortiz.

And very honestly, the way that fight was going, Floyd was going to knock him out. Ortiz had some good flurries, but in all reality, Floyd was really starting to beat up on him with that lead right hand, and that left hook was beginning to follow it.

Fight woulda’ been over by the ninth anyway.

And, yes, Fuck Larry Merchant. I can’t stand him either, HBO should have fired that old drunk 20 years ago.[/quote]

Late to the party, but this right here. End of discussion for me, as I feel the exact same way. Having fought in the ring and cage, that is one of the first things refs and promoters tell us. It’s what you’re told to do repeatedly in training as well. And it’s been long past time for Merchant to be put out to pasture, professionally, of course.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

Exactly right. [/quote]

First it was a cheap shot that you justified as equalizing Ortiz’s cheap shot and now he was acting in an above board manner?

Which is it?
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Huh? I never said it was a cheap shot.
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LOL

this is all from one quote. oh the irony[/quote]

I had agreed with the rest of his post but apparently I missed that sentence.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
I’ve got to say, I’ve been reading this thread with 100% objectivity. Check my post on the first page to confirm this.

I have spoken with my friend (who is no boxing authority, but has competed in boxing since his early teens. He’s mid-twentys now,) and he said anyone who is protesting anything that Mayweather did probably doesn’t know anything about boxing, or hates Mayweather.

After seeing most of the responses and arguments in this thread, this debate is not even close and those arguing against Mayweather seem to be pretty off-base.

Again, I am NOT pretending to be supremely knowledgeable about the subject, so I default to people who have experience in the ring and with the boxing sport itself.[/quote]

blah blah blah. fucking parrots around here. this is not a rules discussion.

Was Mayweather within the rules? Yes. No question.

Was the other guy ready? No.

Was it a sucker punch? Yes.

Is it the other guy’s “fault”? Of course.

Yup, winning a fight on a sucker punch. That’s how I’d want to do it. Not.

But then again, you’d have to have something called honor and character to even understand the argument. Since that is in short supply these days, and since Mayweather has NONE of that, is it any wonder such a supremely talented fighter is not celebrated the world over? Instead, he’s maligned. But yes, he has “street cred”…as if the little fucking hoodlum, spawned from hoodlums, who has surrounded himself with hoodlums, needs more “street cred”.

Do you think a guy like George St. Pierre (to use one example) would staple a guy in his chin after such an exchange when the guy wasn’t ready or looking? I think we know the answer to that question, and that’s why the world loves GSP and it’s why half the world hates Mayweather when he SHOULD BE universally loved.

You know why Mayweather doesn’t get a “fair shake”? Because he’s an asshole. And like I said, I didn’t “hate” him. I was a fan of his talent.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:
I’ve got to say, I’ve been reading this thread with 100% objectivity. Check my post on the first page to confirm this.

I have spoken with my friend (who is no boxing authority, but has competed in boxing since his early teens. He’s mid-twentys now,) and he said anyone who is protesting anything that Mayweather did probably doesn’t know anything about boxing, or hates Mayweather.

After seeing most of the responses and arguments in this thread, this debate is not even close and those arguing against Mayweather seem to be pretty off-base.

Again, I am NOT pretending to be supremely knowledgeable about the subject, so I default to people who have experience in the ring and with the boxing sport itself.[/quote]

blah blah blah. fucking parrots around here. this is not a rules discussion.

Was Mayweather within the rules? Yes. No question.

Was the other guy ready? No.

Was it a sucker punch? Yes.

Is it the other guy’s “fault”? Of course.

Yup, winning a fight on a sucker punch. That’s how I’d want to do it. Not.

But then again, you’d have to have something called honor and character to even understand the argument. Since that is in short supply these days, and since Mayweather has NONE of that, is it any wonder such a supremely talented fighter is not celebrated the world over? Instead, he’s maligned. But yes, he has “street cred”…as if the little fucking hoodlum, spawned from hoodlums, who has surrounded himself with hoodlums, needs more “street cred”.

Do you think a guy like George St. Pierre (to use one example) would staple a guy in his chin after such an exchange when the guy wasn’t ready or looking? I think we know the answer to that question, and that’s why the world loves GSP and it’s why half the world hates Mayweather when he SHOULD BE universally loved.

You know why Mayweather doesn’t get a “fair shake”? Because he’s an asshole. And like I said, I didn’t “hate” him. I was a fan of his talent.

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The punches were legal and fair. Ortiz is an idiot and the best part is that, after the fight, HE KNEW IT, just like Arturo knew it after Floyd knocked him down while he was babbling to the ref.

You’ve got no ground to stand on here.

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[quote]thebodyguard wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
this is not a rules discussion.

Was Mayweather within the rules? Yes. No question.

Was the other guy ready? No.

Was it a sucker punch? Yes.

Is it the other guy’s “fault”? Of course.
[/quote]

The punches were legal and fair. Ortiz is an idiot and the best part is that, after the fight, HE KNEW IT

You’ve got no ground to stand on here.
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what do you mean he has no ground to stand on? You just said EXACTLY what TBG said as your response to him and then said he has no ground to stand on? what?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Yup, winning a fight on a sucker punch. That’s how I’d want to do it. Not.
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what is this? A “not joke”??? Claaaaaaaaaassic!

x2 to all of this above. lol @ the “Street Cred” defense. You hit the nail on the head with thiss ^^^

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:
I’ve got to say, I’ve been reading this thread with 100% objectivity. Check my post on the first page to confirm this.

I have spoken with my friend (who is no boxing authority, but has competed in boxing since his early teens. He’s mid-twentys now,) and he said anyone who is protesting anything that Mayweather did probably doesn’t know anything about boxing, or hates Mayweather.

After seeing most of the responses and arguments in this thread, this debate is not even close and those arguing against Mayweather seem to be pretty off-base.

Again, I am NOT pretending to be supremely knowledgeable about the subject, so I default to people who have experience in the ring and with the boxing sport itself.[/quote]

blah blah blah. fucking parrots around here. this is not a rules discussion.

Was Mayweather within the rules? Yes. No question.

Was the other guy ready? No.

Was it a sucker punch? Yes.

Is it the other guy’s “fault”? Of course.

Yup, winning a fight on a sucker punch. That’s how I’d want to do it. Not.

But then again, you’d have to have something called honor and character to even understand the argument. Since that is in short supply these days, and since Mayweather has NONE of that, is it any wonder such a supremely talented fighter is not celebrated the world over? Instead, he’s maligned. But yes, he has “street cred”…as if the little fucking hoodlum, spawned from hoodlums, who has surrounded himself with hoodlums, needs more “street cred”.

Do you think a guy like George St. Pierre (to use one example) would staple a guy in his chin after such an exchange when the guy wasn’t ready or looking? I think we know the answer to that question, and that’s why the world loves GSP and it’s why half the world hates Mayweather when he SHOULD BE universally loved.

You know why Mayweather doesn’t get a “fair shake”? Because he’s an asshole. And like I said, I didn’t “hate” him. I was a fan of his talent.

[/quote]

The punches were legal and fair. Ortiz is an idiot and the best part is that, after the fight, HE KNEW IT, just like Arturo knew it after Floyd knocked him down while he was babbling to the ref.

You’ve got no ground to stand on here.
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Dude, are you dense or do you like repeating what I already conceded.

The ground I stand on is one of honor and character. Floyd has neither. It’s why he’s hated. I bet my house GSP wouldn’t have done it. And I can name other fighters too.

If it’s legal, I guess it’s “fair” in the ring. Happy now?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]thebodyguard wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
this is not a rules discussion.

Was Mayweather within the rules? Yes. No question.

Was the other guy ready? No.

Was it a sucker punch? Yes.

Is it the other guy’s “fault”? Of course.
[/quote]

The punches were legal and fair. Ortiz is an idiot and the best part is that, after the fight, HE KNEW IT

You’ve got no ground to stand on here.
[/quote]

what do you mean he has no ground to stand on? You just said EXACTLY what TBG said as your response to him and then said he has no ground to stand on? what?[/quote]

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I posted this in the combat thread about this fight, and I’ll post it here too.

The people who said Floyd did something wrong DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOXING.

I was at a bar that had a whole lotta hood types in it last night, and after the fight I was hanging outside with one of the bouncers, a huge black man with long dreadlocks who kinda reminded me of Lennox Lewis.

His first thought on this fight?

“Floyd’s street cred just went through the roof with that…that was some real shit.”

And he’s fucking right.

Let’s get one thing straight - boxing is no gentleman’s game. It attracts the roughest, shadiest characters around, and the kind of guys willing to get up in the ring and do this for a living are guys that are, for the most part, street as hell.

You do a flying fucking headbutt into someone during a boxing match, a move that not only could knock someone out (the way Ortiz did it) but could cause a MASSIVE cut that could stop the fight, and you fucking well better be prepared to get fouled right back.

I’ve never seen anger flash across Floyd’s face like I did when he hit Ortiz after that, and rightly so.

This kid comes in, having fought a couple good fighters, saying he’s gonna whip you, and then he pulls a move like that? C’mon.

Was it kind of a dirty trick? Yea, I guess. But really, IT’S A FUCKING FIGHT. You want to kiss, do it after the fucking fight. You wanna complain to the ref, do it after the fucking fight. Arturo Gatti talked to the ref during their fight - Floyd hit him. Shane Mosley talked to the ref during their fight - Floyd hit him. Ortiz did the same shit, he just didn’t have the chin to take it.

Seriously, you get up in that ring, and the one thing they tell FROM THE START - Protect yourself at all times - especially after you just landed a huge ass cheap shot.

Seriously, fuck Ortiz.

And very honestly, the way that fight was going, Floyd was going to knock him out. Ortiz had some good flurries, but in all reality, Floyd was really starting to beat up on him with that lead right hand, and that left hook was beginning to follow it.

Fight woulda’ been over by the ninth anyway.

And, yes, Fuck Larry Merchant. I can’t stand him either, HBO should have fired that old drunk 20 years ago.[/quote]

Great post.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Was it a sucker punch? Yes.

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How so? They tapped gloves in any other match this means the start of a fight… What is Mayweather supposed to wait for? Should he wait for Ortiz to tie his shoes? pull up his shorts? What if Ortiz said Mayweather I don’t want to fight I just want to run around the ring, should Mayweather say ok and not throw a punch?

I don’t know about you but I pay to see professionals. Professionals walk in the ring tap gloves and fight.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
I’ve got to say, I’ve been reading this thread with 100% objectivity. Check my post on the first page to confirm this.

I have spoken with my friend (who is no boxing authority, but has competed in boxing since his early teens. He’s mid-twentys now,) and he said anyone who is protesting anything that Mayweather did probably doesn’t know anything about boxing, or hates Mayweather.

After seeing most of the responses and arguments in this thread, this debate is not even close and those arguing against Mayweather seem to be pretty off-base.

[/quote]

x1000

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I do have to admit, my original thought was cheap shot.

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[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

Late to the party, but this right here. End of discussion for me, as I feel the exact same way. Having fought in the ring and cage, that is one of the first things refs and promoters tell us. It’s what you’re told to do repeatedly in training as well. And it’s been long past time for Merchant to be put out to pasture, professionally, of course.[/quote]

Genau!

x10000

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Ah I’m not arguing this anymore. Like I said, the only ones making an issue out of this are people that aren’t boxing fans… everyone within that community has shrugged and said “Fair is fair.”

So have fun. I’m sure Money May ain’t gonna miss your $60 bucks next time BG.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Was it a sucker punch? Yes.

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How so? They tapped gloves in any other match this means the start of a fight… What is Mayweather supposed to wait for? Should he wait for Ortiz to tie his shoes? pull up his shorts? What if Ortiz said Mayweather I don’t want to fight I just want to run around the ring, should Mayweather say ok and not throw a punch?

I don’t know about you but I pay to see professionals. Professionals walk in the ring tap gloves and fight. [/quote]

Ortiz was not looking, and he was not engaged. His bad. I know that.

You need to return to my point about other fighters, like GSP for instance, that I’m pretty sure would not have engaged a guy obviously not ready. Are you stating Ortiz was ready? Or are you just making another technical rules argument that has already been discussed and resolved and, that was never in question.

To your rhetorical questions, my answer is that Mayweather should have waited until Ortiz was ready. He was not. But again, to do so would require some measure of honor and character. What does it matter? It already matters in how Mayweather is poorly regarded, and how he will be remembered.

Now, if after me making it clear at least more than once, you cannot understand this small distinction, you simply do not “get it”. And guess what? I’m not surprised by those that don’t “get it”.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Ah I’m not arguing this anymore. Like I said, the only ones making an issue out of this are people that aren’t boxing fans… everyone within that community has shrugged and said “Fair is fair.”

So have fun. I’m sure Money May ain’t gonna miss your $60 bucks next time BG. [/quote]

And to crown your reading comprehension problem (too many hits to the head), you add the fallacious appeal to authority argument (you’re not a “boxing fan”). LOL.

“Money May” as you call him won’t miss anything. He’s a stupid, classless, bereft of character thug that is not SMART ENOUGH to miss what I’m talking about. He’s a product of his lineage. He’s an ignorant little bastard who just so happens to be supremely talented in the ring.

I have a question; did you ever get your cell phone back from him?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
May ain’t gonna miss your $60 bucks next time BG. [/quote]

Oh, and more reading comprehension fail. If you could reed and rite, you’d have been clear that I didn’t watch the fight and/or pay $60. And if I did, my sister-in-law works for Comcast and I’d be watching the fight for free at my brother’s house.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

The point you’re missing is that Floyd is supremely talented. And he was more talented than all those fighters you mentioned. He beat them on talent. He has never been in a knock down drag out battle. And I say, if and when he does, he loses. Simple. I do not think he has any character. I think he’s a front runner. I think he’s a typical hard-mouthed cur that will fold when he meets his match. Now, that may never happen, given the way he seems to cherry pick his fights, but you missed my point by a mile.
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The reason he has not been in a “knock down drag out battle” is because he’s so much better than EVERYONE ELSE.

At this point I say he’s in the Top 30 pound for pound in history, and there’s few fighters that really matchup well with him in terms of both style and talent. He’s a boxer, not a brawler, and if he got into such a knock down fight, it would be a failure on his part, on his game plan, because his whole plan is to methodically break down and defeat, not to walk in with his head down looking to bang with somebody.

The reason he hasn’t been shut up is because nobody CAN shut him up. He’s fought all of the best fighters of this generation, and made them all look like chumps.

Somehow, though, that’s his fault? I don’t think so.

When he beats Pacquaio - and he’s going to - everybody is going to have to shut up and give him the credit he deserves.

If you’ve really been in the ring yourself, I’d expect that you know way more about boxing in terms of Mayweather’s style, how he uses it to win, and why he wins as consistently as he does.

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it was a legal blow, and yes he (Maywheather) would have beat Ortiz anyway.

the sad fact, is that little punk will continue to make millions (if he can stay out of jail) if dumbasses keep buying his PPV’s. Somebody else said it perfectly, “everytime he flashes a brick of money on 24/7, my resolve NOT to buy the PPV is solidified” or something to that affect. I agree.

the other sad fact is that the only two fighters who have the talent to beat him are either too small (Pac-man) or two big to make a weight that he would agree to (Martinez).

so PBF will probably retire undefeated unless he stays into the game too long.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I didn’t watch the fight but I watched the “knockout”.[/quote]

As bad as reporting half a quote. It can be used anyway you like. Now your admitting to being ignorant of the situation.

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PURE PUNK MOVE

I don’t care what happened prior (head butt?). The dude was apologizing and in that situation, boxers usually ALWAYS touch gloves again before engaging. [/quote] THEY DID Touch GLOVES… this is what happens when people talk out of ignorance.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Was it a sucker punch? Yes.

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How so? They tapped gloves in any other match this means the start of a fight… What is Mayweather supposed to wait for? Should he wait for Ortiz to tie his shoes? pull up his shorts? What if Ortiz said Mayweather I don’t want to fight I just want to run around the ring, should Mayweather say ok and not throw a punch?

I don’t know about you but I pay to see professionals. Professionals walk in the ring tap gloves and fight. [/quote]

Ortiz was not looking, and he was not engaged. His bad. I know that.

You need to return to my point about other fighters, like GSP for instance, that I’m pretty sure would not have engaged a guy obviously not ready. Are you stating Ortiz was ready? Or are you just making another technical rules argument that has already been discussed and resolved and, that was never in question.

To your rhetorical questions, my answer is that Mayweather should have waited until Ortiz was ready. He was not. But again, to do so would require some measure of honor and character. What does it matter? It already matters in how Mayweather is poorly regarded, and how he will be remembered.

Now, if after me making it clear at least more than once, you cannot understand this small distinction, you simply do not “get it”. And guess what? I’m not surprised by those that don’t “get it”.
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You do not get it, again all you saw was the question mark on his face after he got the chin check.

HE WAS READY, the first punch was too fast. He looked for help from the ref. After that NO FIGHTER is going to stop until the guy taps out GSP or anybody else. NOT one ACTUAL professional BOXER or FIGHTER disagrees with what Mayweather did. So who is the one that doesn’t get it?